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post #5821 of 18389
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Nope, just the channels that need EQ. The room does the rest just fine. I ran Audyssey and MCACC in my room many times and when I measured with REW I was not flat at all. Hey, the back left seat was awesome, too bad the main front center seat sucked. My speakers are tricky though and not normal. Very high sensitivity really screws up auto EQ sometimes. I measure myself and fix myself until it sounds right to me and then have at least 10 different help me decide on what sounds best. It is actually fun to tweak for me but my room is setup to be easily tweaked with REW and my computer.

So just the L&R? ... LCR? The surrounds don't need EQ?

What version of Audyssey and what about your subs?

Sorry for all the questions but I am constantly hearing how guys use DCX (or similar) to EQ their systems and I'm trying to figure out what exactly they are EQing vs not EQing.

BTW, I get what you are saying about room treatments doing a lot of the work. My room measures pretty flat (XTZ Room Analyzer) raw but Audyssey XT32 makes it sound better with the smooth integration of the subs being the biggest benefit.
Edited by RMK! - 12/4/12 at 10:47am
post #5822 of 18389
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

So just the L&R? ... LCR? The surrounds don't need EQ?
What version of Audyssey and what about your subs?
Sorry for all the questions but I am constantly hearing how guys use DCX (or similar) to EQ their systems and I'm trying to figure out what exactly they are EQing vs not EQing.
BTW, I get what you are saying about room treatments doing a lot of the work. My room measures pretty flat (XTZ Room Analyzer) raw but Audyssey XT32 makes it sound better with the smooth integration of the subs being the biggest benefit.

Yes, but do you measure at every seat? Which speakers do you run for that measurement?

I EQ my center and use the DCX on my subs for under 20hz boost and delay settings for a nice crossover region integration. It is funny that every speaker that is near a side wall does not need EQ in my room. I stopped thinking about all the combinations and what happens to each and focused on each speaker at the main seat and then hear how it sounds. I then measured each seat to see what happens. It does change the response but not enough to warrant another EQ change. I wonder how cinemas EQ to all those seats because I know it still sounds the best towards the middle of my local theater and up close so you could feel the subs, but not too close where the screen is too big.
post #5823 of 18389
With the warranty, do you know if they transfer ownership if you buy used speakers from someone?
post #5824 of 18389
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Yes, but do you measure at every seat? Which speakers do you run for that measurement?
I EQ my center and use the DCX on my subs for under 20hz boost and delay settings for a nice crossover region integration. It is funny that every speaker that is near a side wall does not need EQ in my room. I stopped thinking about all the combinations and what happens to each and focused on each speaker at the main seat and then hear how it sounds. I then measured each seat to see what happens. It does change the response but not enough to warrant another EQ change. I wonder how cinemas EQ to all those seats because I know it still sounds the best towards the middle of my local theater and up close so you could feel the subs, but not too close where the screen is too big.

If you've run Audyssey I'm sure you know this but Audyssey XT32 allows for 8 measured positions and measures every speaker and two subs at each location. The Pro Kit allows for 32 position measurement and essentially virtual +or-3db adjustments along the frequency range for each speaker. I had the Pro Kit but sold it when I bought my new Integra with XT32. That may have been a mistake as it is a very powerful tool and kinda fun to use, but XT32 did such a good job in my room that I felt it really wasn't needed.

It varies but basically I do the front 4 seats, two measurements 2' in front of the front row and two measurements for the back row 2' behind the center two front row seats. The measured area is roughly 8' wide and 6' deep. All the seats sound good but the two center fronts are best.

The nice thing about Audyssey is it is simple and although it takes a good 30-40 minutes to do the whole process, compare that to any manual process ...
post #5825 of 18389
I know with omnimic you can do an average. You could do an 8 spot (or however many you want) average and then eq that to have best compromise between those 8 spots. If you measure response of locations pre audyssey, you can avoid a bad eq spot, such as one that is drastically different than your MLP. You can also do an averaging in and around a single MLP.

The ongoing debate is eqing above the transition frequency. I think FOH has a great post here, I will be following along to see how it all works out for him.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442487/how-easy-and-at-what-cost-can-audyssey-xt-32-be-beat#post_22653817
post #5826 of 18389
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

If you've run Audyssey I'm sure you know this but Audyssey XT32 allows for 8 measured positions and measures every speaker and two subs at each location. The Pro Kit allows for 32 position measurement and essentially virtual +or-3db adjustments along the frequency range for each speaker. I had the Pro Kit but sold it when I bought my new Integra with XT32. That may have been a mistake as it is a very powerful tool and kinda fun to use, but XT32 did such a good job in my room that I felt it really wasn't needed.
It varies but basically I do the front 4 seats, two measurements 2' in front of the front row and two measurements for the back row 2' behind the center two front row seats. The measured area is roughly 8' wide and 6' deep. All the seats sound good but the two center fronts are best.
The nice thing about Audyssey is it is simple and although it takes a good 30-40 minutes to do the whole process, compare that to any manual process ...
Thats what I do and it is easy and sounds great. I think the Pro version allows for better coverage of more seats or a wider sweet spot.
N8dogg has 80.3 with the Audyssey pro kit and he seems to swear by it.
Chris

Oh Yeah and JTR speakers are very easy to tame.
post #5827 of 18389
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

With the warranty, do you know if they transfer ownership if you buy used speakers from someone?
I'm sure he will.
There just is not much that can go wrong with speakers. I really have not heard of anything. Most repairs if needed can be done at home.
Powered products get 2 years on the amps. Electronics fail more so than speakers.
Chris
post #5828 of 18389
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I'm sure he will.
There just is not much that can go wrong. I really have not heard of anything.
Powered products get 2 years on the amps.
Chris

Yeah I am just curious as I may purchase some 2nd hand and it is always nice to know you have the backing of the seller.

The thing that concerns me still is purchasing these blindly. I know I will be happy no matter what speakers I purchase, but still it would be much nicer to demo them in person to hear them.

The used ones are from the guy on these forums selling the 3 T12's and 2 T8's LP versions.

I just wish I could personally hear how they would compare to the Klipsch RF-7 II and RC-64 II setup as well as to a B&W CM9 and CMC2 setup.

From my research on these forums, the JTR's seem to be much better suited for my wants/needs which is primarily movies, tv, and video games. Music alone is a pretty distant next.

But still ... spending $5k+ on stuff you've never heard before is just a hard thing to do.
post #5829 of 18389
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Yeah I am just curious as I may purchase some 2nd hand and it is always nice to know you have the backing of the seller.
The thing that concerns me still is purchasing these blindly. I know I will be happy no matter what speakers I purchase, but still it would be much nicer to demo them in person to hear them.
The used ones are from the guy on these forums selling the 3 T12's and 2 T8's LP versions.
I just wish I could personally hear how they would compare to the Klipsch RF-7 II and RC-64 II setup as well as to a B&W CM9 and CMC2 setup.
From my research on these forums, the JTR's seem to be much better suited for my wants/needs which is primarily movies, tv, and video games. Music alone is a pretty distant next.
But still ... spending $5k+ on stuff you've never heard before is just a hard thing to do.
His are the 2012 models (came out in DEC 11) and is an excellent deal.
As far as the other brands go no matter what, they cost more coming from an authorized dealer. Even when purchasing used someone had to bite the MSRP bullet.
JTR or any ID company will always give more bang for the $$$$$. 5K for $7500. worth of speakers is always better than spending 10K on 5k speakers (Klipsch or DefTech)
HEARSAY
I have been told my T12's do a better job than the above mentioned Klipsch. Since opinions vary Thats me trying to put it nice.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 12/4/12 at 12:09pm
post #5830 of 18389
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Yeah I am just curious as I may purchase some 2nd hand and it is always nice to know you have the backing of the seller.
The thing that concerns me still is purchasing these blindly. I know I will be happy no matter what speakers I purchase, but still it would be much nicer to demo them in person to hear them.
The used ones are from the guy on these forums selling the 3 T12's and 2 T8's LP versions.
I just wish I could personally hear how they would compare to the Klipsch RF-7 II and RC-64 II setup as well as to a B&W CM9 and CMC2 setup.
From my research on these forums, the JTR's seem to be much better suited for my wants/needs which is primarily movies, tv, and video games. Music alone is a pretty distant next.
But still ... spending $5k+ on stuff you've never heard before is just a hard thing to do.

IMHO, that price mitigates a lot of the risk factor and makes it a no-brainer but if you're really that uncomfortable with a blind buy, don't do it.
post #5831 of 18389
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

He might need Christmas help too. Mabey a debt could be worked off.
On the Eq subject I know your talking about Audyssey XT32 as I use but are the rest of the ones that dont like it using Multi XT32 version or just the old version?
I dont like dynamic EQ for sure but the rest seems pretty damn convenient. What about the Pro version?
Chris

I am using XT32 and I will certainly agree that it does a MUCH better job than the regular version, especially in the bass region.

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

5 years on the speakers but you pay shipping both ways (keep the boxes wink.gif).
I think most of the negative comments are relative to pre XT32 Audyssey. It is much better than previous versions as it does the entire FR subs included. Beasts "chasing your tail" metaphor is a good one for a hobbyist EQing a system. I talked with Keith Yates about the process he uses in fine tuning one of his megabuck systems and it is crazy complicated. Well beyond the capabilities of a common man.
Audyssey (XT32) is easy and in MHO most rooms would measure better overall with it rather than any manual EQ process. Again for one point in space measurements, the manual process is fine.

I spent every dime on the stuff in my theater, therefore I am going to optimize my seat and screw everyone else (DISCLAIMER: Opinion subject to change once kids are in the picture) wink.gif

With that said, manual EQ for me is certainly not out of the question and with the subs, I actually prefer the manual over the SubEQ for all but the XO region, which is difficult.

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

So just the L&R? ... LCR? The surrounds don't need EQ?
What version of Audyssey and what about your subs?
Sorry for all the questions but I am constantly hearing how guys use DCX (or similar) to EQ their systems and I'm trying to figure out what exactly they are EQing vs not EQing.
BTW, I get what you are saying about room treatments doing a lot of the work. My room measures pretty flat (XTZ Room Analyzer) raw but Audyssey XT32 makes it sound better with the smooth integration of the subs being the biggest benefit.

WIth the DCX you will get eq, for Frequency and Time domain, so there is definitely a LOT to screw up, but even Audyssey sometimes cannot get the XO region as good as possible, I have also too many times liked the Audyssey sweep I have done, but then have been able to go back in and make the response even BETTER with the DCX. This is why I am considering doing the same for the L/R and then eventually the center as well (Once I have one again)
post #5832 of 18389
Beast
Man that is alot of work. One day I might be interested to go the next step in EQ.
Which means when the next version of Audyssey comes out I plan on getting a new a avr or pre/pro with that version on it.
I definately only care about my LP. If I ever feel like sharing the sweet spot I will get Audyssey Pro.
Chris
post #5833 of 18389
I will say this about audyssey pro, if you are mostly watching movies or gaming, it's of no use to you. Music? ya sure, it does make a difference but after doing a ton of pro installs, I REALLY don't think it worth it for anybody to actually go out and buy a kit. I've given up on using it as I'm always changing gear and the pro install take a good 2-3 hours to do. XT32 is good enough for me. I also use the DCX and it's a really great piece of gear. If Minidps would get off their asses and make a xlr box, I'd love to try it out but if they won't support it, I'm not buying one.
post #5834 of 18389
MCACC and Audyssey don't always get it right. It drives me up the wall sometimes that movies are different with audio from time to time. The best way I found to calibrate with MCACC using JTR speakers is; tell auto MCACC that you have THX speakers and click Ok to run.: In speaker setup menu, set the speaker distances to what they actually using a tape measure. Millaseconds is pretty fast for the signal to travel so I don't worry about what MCACC originally set the distances at. Go to manual MCACC and do fine distance speaker settings. Check all speaker levels with a spl meter and set to 75 db including the sub. Exit and copy to another profile for safe keeping. I also do a profile for 3 positions and save that too. Now, someone will say that this is not accurate EQ'ng. True, but when unlce Ned comes into your HT room and parks his 400 lb butt in a seat or all your seats get filled with relatives wanting to watch a movie, your EG'ng changes anyway. Have a setup in a living room? Wife moves a chair or table and doesn't tell you, changes again. I used my Denon 4311 for my living room setup (Polk RT5000p & dual MFW-15's) and things sometimes change in that room. Do I get anal and do a calbibration? Hell no as it is just for TV progrraming anyway and it still sounds good in a untreated huge living room. The HT room is different and I do try to keep it prestine with the JTR's and Pio SC-67.
post #5835 of 18389
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Now, someone will say that this is not accurate EQ'ng. True, but when unlce Ned comes into your HT room and parks his 400 lb butt in a seat or all your seats get filled with relatives wanting to watch a movie, your EG'ng changes anyway.

Ahh yes, uncle Ned, the human bass trap.
post #5836 of 18389
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Ahh yes, uncle Ned, the human bass trap.

lol!
post #5837 of 18389
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

MCACC and Audyssey don't always get it right. It drives me up the wall sometimes that movies are different with audio from time to time. The best way I found to calibrate with MCACC using JTR speakers is; tell auto MCACC that you have THX speakers and click Ok to run.: In speaker setup menu, set the speaker distances to what they actually using a tape measure. Millaseconds is pretty fast for the signal to travel so I don't worry about what MCACC originally set the distances at. Go to manual MCACC and do fine distance speaker settings. Check all speaker levels with a spl meter and set to 75 db including the sub. Exit and copy to another profile for safe keeping. I also do a profile for 3 positions and save that too. Now, someone will say that this is not accurate EQ'ng. True, but when unlce Ned comes into your HT room and parks his 400 lb butt in a seat or all your seats get filled with relatives wanting to watch a movie, your EG'ng changes anyway. Have a setup in a living room? Wife moves a chair or table and doesn't tell you, changes again. I used my Denon 4311 for my living room setup (Polk RT5000p & dual MFW-15's) and things sometimes change in that room. Do I get anal and do a calbibration? Hell no as it is just for TV progrraming anyway and it still sounds good in a untreated huge living room. The HT room is different and I do try to keep it prestine with the JTR's and Pio SC-67.

This sounds like a very reasonable approach to me.
post #5838 of 18389
carp....I'm sure glad you brought these Noesis speakers over to my house last week. I'm digging them. Up too late tonight just chilling out listening to them with a smile on my face.

Currently listening to Steve Strauss - Just Like Love

These speakers give up nothing to any speakers I've ever heard.

Somebody tell Jeff these speakers aren't gonna make it to Des Moines. tongue.gif
post #5839 of 18389
RMK was gracious enough to give a demo of his system tonight. I was in the Sacramento area for work and sent him a PM.

There were two things I wanted to hear, and both happen to be JTR products… The Triple12, and the OS. It just so happens, he recently sold the T12s and has bran new Neosis for LCR. Even better!

First off, his theater room is awesome. Aesthetically pleasing, spacious, great acoustics after what he’s done to it, and the AT screen is just beautiful. My theater room, called “the dungeon”, or “the scary room” by my wife, looks even worse now, and that shouldn’t be possible. Thanks a lot, Rob… biggrin.gif

Anyway, on to my impressions, and I think Jeff did a fantastic job with the Neosis. I’ve been dabbling in the DIY world, most recently working on building crossovers, and for the 12s in the Neosis to blend in as well and they do with the CD, Jeff is really doing a quality job with that crossover. Just amazing. I don’t want to guess as to how many hours he put into R&D for the crossover for this speaker! Highs were crisp and clean, not harsh, and the mids blended seamlessly and were very detailed. At several points in the demo Rob exceeded +5db in the main volume, and Neosis didn’t even blink. Never sounded strained or distorted ever.

As for the bass, I feel I’ve heard the best of what’s out there, and I wasn’t expecting to being impressed by two 18s, regardless of their configuration. I was definitely wrong! For starters, the obit shifters are HUGE. Pictures don’t paint the whole picture here. Second, having never heard a horn loaded sub before, they do have a “unique” sound to them, and I’m saying that in a completely positive way. Great punch, great detail, and great sub 20hz response and tactile feel. I know for a fact that at certain points in the demo the orbit shifters exceeded 125db, and they did so effortlessly. Considering I have quad LMS 5400s and 16kw worth of power feeding them, I didn’t expect two 18s and half the power to accomplish what they did. I may have to build four “gjallarhorn” enclosures for my 5400s now wink.gif

Thanks for the demo, Rob!
post #5840 of 18389
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

carp....I'm sure glad you brought these Noesis speakers over to my house last week. I'm digging them. Up too late tonight just chilling out listening to them with a smile on my face.
Currently listening to Steve Strauss - Just Like Love
These speakers give up nothing to any speakers I've ever heard.
Somebody tell Jeff these speakers aren't gonna make it to Des Moines. tongue.gif

You guys have got to stop this! I'll be buying speakers again.
post #5841 of 18389
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

carp....I'm sure glad you brought these Noesis speakers over to my house last week. I'm digging them. Up too late tonight just chilling out listening to them with a smile on my face.
Currently listening to Steve Strauss - Just Like Love
These speakers give up nothing to any speakers I've ever heard.
Somebody tell Jeff these speakers aren't gonna make it to Des Moines. tongue.gif

Jeff is breaking you down slowly until you cave and make an irresponsible decision.

Seriously though, at this point he might as well wait and have us drive the speakers up to Iowa.
post #5842 of 18389
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

You guys have got to stop this! I'll be buying speakers again.

That's why you never say, "I'm done". wink.gif

If you get a chance to hear them you probably will buy, so just don't put yourself in that position!
post #5843 of 18389
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

You guys have got to stop this! I'll be buying speakers again.

Well then you really don't want to pay attention to this post ... tongue.gif

I had some forum friends over for a demo of the Noesis/Orbit Shifter combo last night. We started off with my usual nice -12db music demo (Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scotts) and that was nice. Cranked it a little to like -7.5 but kept it civilized. Then I put on The Art of Flight and the Alaska chapter featuring Deadmau5: “Ghosts 'n' Stuff. Started off at reference and kept pushing it up to at least +10 reference ... tongue.gif.

Most of my demos are for people who know nothing about HT audio, and they get a little (or more than a little) uncomfortable with high volume. It's just not most peoples idea of fun but our little group was fully up to the test. I don't know what a DB meter would have read but we were in some rarefied air space on that one. The Noesis/OS combo remained composed and the experience of that much clean sound washing over you is really something. I value my hearing to much to go there often, or for more than a minute or so but damn, that was fun ... biggrin.gif:cool:

I hope the guys check-in as it was quite a testimonial as to what is possible in HT audio. It was a demo that would have made Jeff P. proud and justifiably so ... smile.gif
post #5844 of 18389
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I will say this about audyssey pro, if you are mostly watching movies or gaming, it's of no use to you. Music? ya sure, it does make a difference but after doing a ton of pro installs, I REALLY don't think it worth it for anybody to actually go out and buy a kit. I've given up on using it as I'm always changing gear and the pro install take a good 2-3 hours to do. XT32 is good enough for me. I also use the DCX and it's a really great piece of gear. If Minidps would get off their asses and make a xlr box, I'd love to try it out but if they won't support it, I'm not buying one.

I'm with you there bud. Way too much firepower and potential there to not support XLR. Just plain silly. Perhaps when (if) PE sells it, this will be different.
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Ahh yes, uncle Ned, the human bass trap.

What is Uncle Ned's absorption coefficient?
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Then I put on The Art of Flight and the Alaska chapter featuring Deadmau5: “Ghosts 'n' Stuff. Started off at reference and kept pushing it up to at least +10 reference ... .

I played this last night just through my music library. That song by itself is an unreal experience, but the added cinematography in AoF just makes it that much better. I had my system at reference to test it all out, and that was as far as I was comfortable pushing it (read: my ears), I couldn't take +10, no way, not even for 15 seconds. I will say that I knocked over a vase in the living room above my theater, and when I came back upstairs I found it on the floor. The "Holiday" tree was also crooked. I prefer to call it a Christmas tree though.
post #5845 of 18389
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well then you really don't want to pay attention to this post ... tongue.gif
I had some forum friends over for a demo of the Noesis/Orbit Shifter combo last night. We started off with my usual nice -12db music demo (Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scotts) and that was nice. Cranked it a little to like -7.5 but kept it civilized. Then I put on The Art of Flight and the Alaska chapter featuring Deadmau5: “Ghosts 'n' Stuff. Started off at reference and kept pushing it up to at least +10 reference ... tongue.gif.
Most of my demos are for people who know nothing about HT audio, and they get a little (or more than a little) uncomfortable with high volume. It's just not most peoples idea of fun but our little group was fully up to the test. I don't know what a DB meter would have read but we were in some rarefied air space on that one. The Noesis/OS combo remained composed and the experience of that much clean sound washing over you is really something. I value my hearing to much to go there often, or for more than a minute or so but damn, that was fun ... biggrin.gif:cool:
I hope the guys check-in as it was quite a testimonial as to what is possible in HT audio. It was a demo that would have made Jeff P. proud and justifiably so ... smile.gif

I posted some impressions in this thread last night. See my post below.

I know for sure that on the Deadmau5 track when you pushed it to +10, we exceeded 125db on the subs at the LP, maybe even 130db. No joke.

It was so powerful, I actually started to sweat! I think if you wanted to find the limit of the Neosis speakers, you would permanently damage your hearing.

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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

RMK was gracious enough to give a demo of his system tonight. I was in the Sacramento area for work and sent him a PM.
There were two things I wanted to hear, and both happen to be JTR products… The Triple12, and the OS. It just so happens, he recently sold the T12s and has bran new Neosis for LCR. Even better!
First off, his theater room is awesome. Aesthetically pleasing, spacious, great acoustics after what he’s done to it, and the AT screen is just beautiful. My theater room, called “the dungeon”, or “the scary room” by my wife, looks even worse now, and that shouldn’t be possible. Thanks a lot, Rob… biggrin.gif
Anyway, on to my impressions, and I think Jeff did a fantastic job with the Neosis. I’ve been dabbling in the DIY world, most recently working on building crossovers, and for the 12s in the Neosis to blend in as well and they do with the CD, Jeff is really doing a quality job with that crossover. Just amazing. I don’t want to guess as to how many hours he put into R&D for the crossover for this speaker! Highs were crisp and clean, not harsh, and the mids blended seamlessly and were very detailed. At several points in the demo Rob exceeded +5db in the main volume, and Neosis didn’t even blink. Never sounded strained or distorted ever.
As for the bass, I feel I’ve heard the best of what’s out there, and I wasn’t expecting to being impressed by two 18s, regardless of their configuration. I was definitely wrong! For starters, the obit shifters are HUGE. Pictures don’t paint the whole picture here. Second, having never heard a horn loaded sub before, they do have a “unique” sound to them, and I’m saying that in a completely positive way. Great punch, great detail, and great sub 20hz response and tactile feel. I know for a fact that at certain points in the demo the orbit shifters exceeded 125db, and they did so effortlessly. Considering I have quad LMS 5400s and 16kw worth of power feeding them, I didn’t expect two 18s and half the power to accomplish what they did. I may have to build four “gjallarhorn” enclosures for my 5400s now wink.gif
Thanks for the demo, Rob!
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

The "Holiday" tree was also crooked. I prefer to call it a Christmas tree though.
Dumb question but what is the difference between the two trees?
Chris
post #5847 of 18389
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Dumb question but what is the difference between the two trees?
Chris

Nothing, just my attempt at throwing some unnecessary political quip into my post. The WhiteHouse chose this year to not refer to the Christmas tree as the Christmas tree but rather the "Holiday" tree so as to not "offend" anyone. I hate politics in general so let's just disregard that part of my post sans the fact that my theater almost shook the tree right out of the stand...cool.gif
post #5848 of 18389
Beast
Sorry about asking now that I know the answer. I can see were it could go south.
I had heard of a holiday tree before but never met/talked to anyone who actually had one.
Till now I thought there was a difference. I guess I need to get out of WV more often.
Thanks for the answer at least now I know smile.gif
On the flip I love Christmas not the relatives but the gifts!!!
Chris
post #5849 of 18389
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Originally Posted by lukeamdman View Post

I posted some impressions in this thread last night. See my post below.
I know for sure that on the Deadmau5 track when you pushed it to +10, we exceeded 125db on the subs at the LP, maybe even 130db. No joke.
It was so powerful, I actually started to sweat! I think if you wanted to find the limit of the Neosis speakers, you would permanently damage your hearing.

I missed your post last night Luke and was driving this am so dangerous to be reading AVS posts ...tongue.gif. I was a bad host last night and didn't even offer you a beverage (adult or otherwise) so sorry about that.

It was fun having someone with your experience in building extreme subwoofage like your quad LMS's in to hear/feel what I hear/feel. I think I can speak for most of us in saying that within our normal group of friends, it's difficult to find anyone who can understand let alone give an informed opinion about our systems. I was grateful that you took the time out of your busy business trip (BTW, very cool project you're working on) to come by and give me your perspective. It was a bit of a reality check and thats always a good thing. cool.gif
post #5850 of 18389
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I'm with you there bud. Way too much firepower and potential there to not support XLR. Just plain silly. Perhaps when (if) PE sells it, this will be different.
What is Uncle Ned's absorption coefficient?
I played this last night just through my music library. That song by itself is an unreal experience, but the added cinematography in AoF just makes it that much better. I had my system at reference to test it all out, and that was as far as I was comfortable pushing it (read: my ears), I couldn't take +10, no way, not even for 15 seconds. I will say that I knocked over a vase in the living room above my theater, and when I came back upstairs I found it on the floor. The "Holiday" tree was also crooked. I prefer to call it a Christmas tree though.

AoF is absolutely my fav demo by a good margin. Plus 10 was interesting but we kept it brief and so it was not painful for us in the room. I understand things were moving elsewhere in the house but nothing was broken and my ears were/are fine so no harm, no foul.

Happy Hanukkah! smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 12/5/12 at 10:40am
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