Official JTR speaker thread - Page 198

Hows the Noesis for the center channel? One of my biggest complaints about my def tech system is the lack of dialogue and center channel impact. How would you compare the Noesis center with the 2012 tripple 12's that lbrown is selling? Does the horn make for alot more clarity. I had considered getting jbl's with horns just because I wanted that center channel to shine. Besides the subwoofer I think a center can make a movie experience.
Edited by firebrick - 12/6/12 at 8:59pm

Archaea - I would be willing to schedule the JTR vs Salk shoot out when the KC crew can make it. I don't know when Jeff needs the Noesis speakers back. Let me know when you guys can make it. I've got a couple PM's but a big crowd would be better. Let me know when you guys can make it.

Hopefully we can do a little tweaking with the minidsp before we run them both. Looking forward to it!!

Give me some advance and there is a good chance I will make it out for that.

Early Jan would be best for me. My wife is gone the 3rd through 19th visiting family, so one of those weekends would be easiest for me --- but that might be too long for the Noesis? Late December would probably work fine for several of the kc folk as well.

humm ive never been to Iowa

might be time to change that

I'm going to try to make it for sure, but no way am I going to be a part of the blind comparison.

I've done that twice and both times I didn't prefer my own speakers/subs. This time I spent so much money on speakers that I know I would just be hoping to god that I preferred the Noesis. I can't handle that kind of stress. Yes I am a wuss.

In fact, I'd be a bit nervous just to hear the speakers compared at all, even without going blind. That said, this would be too much fun to miss so I've gotta make the trip up with the KC guys.

I quite literally was laughing out loud reading carp's post

Archaea - you remember how stressed I was at the blind GTG at my house when I was hoping so bad that the speaker I didn't like didn't end up being mine? That would be nothing compared to the stress I would feel at this GTG.

While you are laughing over there, my palms are starting to sweat over here.

Seriously.... I'm scared to hear the Salks! Tell me everything will be ok...

just for clarity I am selling all 2012 JTR speakers

Yep, And Justice for All is amazing. I have a feeling Cliff hadn't been gone long enough for his influence to have completely left the band. If he hadn't died it would have been very interesting to see where the band would have gone after Justice. They had created thier own genre IMO, I mean who else plays progressive thrash? Plenty of progressive metal out there, even progressive death metal like Opeth, but nothing that reminds me of Justice. It would have been so cool if they took it even more extreme and put out an album that combined their great 80's thrash sound with even longer songs and more complexity and more classical music influenced arrangements too.

Thanks for the info. I'm definitely planning on getting a sub (or 2) for my speakers.

As far as the room size, I have a thread started about my "build log" here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1437068/first-time-home-theater-build-log

It has info about my room and it's current state and what not. I don't know how to setup a signature or else I'd just link it in there, but I was just searching the prefs and wasn't having any luck.

I'm going to check out the other links about the shootout of the Salk vs JTR in the other thread.

My main goal for SURE is for movies/games/tv and music a distant second. And I like to watch movies LLOOUUDD!!

Never been to the Field of Dreams??? Missing out.... :-)

Thanks for the links, I definitely enjoyed reading the opinions.

It seems that the majority of those people were Salk owners and slightly biased prior to attending. It also seemed like the "music people" did not prefer the JTR or Seatons, but the "movie people" preferred those heh. It sucks there were no subs with the JTR. I'm definitely going to have subs so that probably isn't much of an issue for me. Right now I have a 10+ year old of JBL towers I bought at Best Buy when I worked there in like 2001. They still sound good to this day and I will be keeping them up in my living room, but they are paired with a sub as well. Without a sub you can definitely miss out on some bass, although they have some. But with a sub it is a lot better. I personally enjoy them for both movies AND music, but I'm looking for higher end than this for my HT area.

I will definitely at least hear the Salk's this weekend though since it is better to hear as many as possible before making my decision. Still very tempted about the JTR's even though I most likely won't be able to listen to them prior .

i might have driven past it, i have been to iowa but only because its between Kansas City and Omaha on 29

drove through that area at like 4 am or so when i helped my brother move across the country. Orlando to reno in 2 days

and yes believe it or not thats the fastest route that doesn't have you bushwhacking it across west Texas or the desert in Arizona

lol...

carp,
If you sell the Noesis...just let me have first dibs!

Very nice! I like the color a lot.

Ok, I think that my single 8's are haunted. I have them on a table with some other components while I wait for my basement to be completed. As I walked by them I heard a buzz and I couldn't figure out where it was coming from. I checked everything and finally realized that it was from the single 8's. They are just sitting on a table not connected to anything. The nearest thing plugged in was in the other room, 15 feet away. Any idea what is causing this? Freaky.

Here's the thread for the potential upcoming Iowa meet featuring the JTR Noesis, dual S2's and the Salks.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3420#post_22658406

Hope to see ya there.

David

I made short video of the Noesis running at reference levels on music in my room powered by a mystery amp. You might chuckle when you see exactly what amp I was using in the video...

You'll have to forgive my little sony bloggie camcorder --- it's on it's last leg and clicks all the time now while trying to focus.

The JTR Noesis sounded great regardless!


Edited by Archaea - 12/6/12 at 8:31pm

nice demonstration. It really does speak to the value even more when you consider the minimal spend on amp needed to reach ref. Of course 2000watts/ch would be fun too:eek:

lol Jeff wasn't kidding when he said you could run them off a T-amp was he

So about by center channel question, anyone?

My last center was the Mythos ten. Moving to the T12 was like taking a blanket off the speaker. I feel like the T12 is clear , accurate , and distortion free. Without putting the MYthos Ten down I will say this I was not satisfied but with the T12 I am completely satisfied and have been for that last year of use. I still use 4 M10's for surrounds but that is my systems weakest spot. The T12's are overwhelming and are just a pleasure to listen to. The Noesis has a 40% larger compression driver and attached to a horn thaat directs all the sound straight at you. It is the next level of the T12s. They are both Excellent so no wrong choice.
If you are coming from anything DefTech Then I feel comfortable saying you will be blown away by the performance. No Doubt !!
Chris

My first post on this forum was because of the reviews written at that GTG. I knew then that this would keep coming up over and over and over as it has for the last 6 or so months. No problems as everyone did a 100% honest review based completely on everything they heard at the meet.
You can drive a car on the rims with No tires just for fun but I would not write a review on its handling and performance. It takes tires to perform correctly. Thats a fact. So relate that to the listening to the T12's ran full range with No external crossover and No subwoofer. It was fun but noone should have wrote a review becuase it was set up for failure and every negative point or comment in the reviews was Directly related to Improper use of the design. All of us owners Know that and when points were trying to be made it got turned around and thrown back in our faces as trying to gang up and start negativety. The old "Blame the Blamer" philosophy. Fun is fun but the reviews are misleading and just Bad information all around. Those who read and do not understand this are confused and base their future thoughts and desicions on PURELY BAD INFORMATION.
All I can speak about is my own personal use with the T12's. On thier own running them full range and setting the speaker to large it sounds HARSH. Running my SubM HP'S with no speakers sound ridiculous too. But when I run them together (as the design was intended) crossing them over at 80 hz together they become Hawk and Animal forming the Road Warriors (LOD).The greatest tag team of all time.
Whatever you end up chosing enjoy as that is what matters. Take what others say with a grain of salt becuase that is them and this is your choice. Good thing is if you never hear JTR's at least you don't know what your missing !!!!
Good Luck
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 12/7/12 at 6:57am

That would be pretty awesome, as on paper the Noesis look to be beasts (best JTR speaker for sure).]

David, a blind test would be awesome, but you'll want at least one compadre to help you, and it'll likely mean you won't be able to partake in the listening sessions. If you're cool with that, though, just buy some acoustically transparent but opaque speaker grill cloth and stretch it across the front wall (if doable). Then you can make the swaps without anyone seeing. You'll also need to level match to within 1dB, of course. It should be a great time but no easy task. Speaking of which, have you discussed how you'll quickly level match and re-adjust the subwoofers? The JTR are WAY more sensitive than the Salks, so you'll have to not only adjust the master volume but also the subwoofer levels.

Haha - too funny.

What, no love fro Dream Theater? They run circles around Metallica, IMO. Their Live At Budokan Blue-Ray is outstanding.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dream-Theater-Live-At-Budokan-Blu-ray/29117/

Oh man - I just realized I was misspelling "Blu-Ray" for the past few years. LOL.

You're the one who keeps bringing it up, so... We all agreed in the original GTG thread that the JTR's should have had subs, but Jeff chose not to run them that way. We later hooked them back up with subs, but it didn't work out with the 2-channel preamp so we used the receiver. They did sound better, of course.
Edited by Nuance - 12/7/12 at 6:44am

personally i would not compair DT to metallica, too different in their style. on the topic of metal BRs this is pretty much a must have

Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax: The Big 4 - Live from Sofia, Bulgaria

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Metallica-Slayer-Megadeth-Anthrax-The-Big-4-Live-from-Sofia-Bulgaria-Blu-ray/16600/

^ Would have been a great show to attend, though I do not like Slayer. Thanks for the BR recommendation.

That is an excellent BR but Slayer stole the show that set !!! I never hear Slayer on the radio and I have been listenig for them since 1985 so what a Treat to get to see them on Blu-ray. Bulgaria has a rough looking crowd but I have never seen a Slayer show that did not.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 12/7/12 at 7:07am

Yea I totally understand what you are saying.

When I first demo'd the Klipsch setup from a guy on this forum (popalock) and he has the RF-7 II and RC-64 II, he first played them with the sub off. We watched a movie clip of Cloverfield from his demo disc.

When I first heard it without a sub, it definitely sounded a little too "bright" for me, quite high pitched with not much bass at all. Like when gun shots fired and missles glew up, I did not "feel" anything like I want to when watching a movie. Granted, we had it LOUD which is what I wanted and is why it was brighter/high so I liked it. They sounded very clear/crisp but they definitely sounded pretty high pitched compared to other speakers I've heard. But it's good I heard them without a sub, so I could hear the speaker itself.

Then we played the same demo with his sub turned on and everything blended in nicely, although still a bit high pitched from the speakers. But that is what I have heard about Klipsch in general - you either like their brightness or you don't. I personally did enjoy it but after a while I think it may fatigue me. I'm pretty sensitive to high pitch stuff in general so that is another thing.

But don't get me wrong - it I had those in my house, I would be very happy with them. His setup sounded awesome still. It's like at this point I'm picking between 3-4 hot chicks - either way I will be alright!

I've also never heard a setup where all 3 LCR speakers are the same speaker. Up until about a month or so ago I did not even really know that it was what is recommended if possible. I always thought the center channel was just supposed to be different and smaller, but built to match. But now I have learned that most center channel specific speakers are built to "match" with specific mains because they try to use the same drivers and parts, but in a different casing. Or something like that

So that is another reason I really would like to hear a JTR setup with the same speakers in the LCR position.

The one area I REALLY REALLY like having a VERY nice clean speaker that can get right in your face is with the center channel speaker. My current setup is SEVERLY lacking in the center channel. But it was just some matching Northridge Series for my JBL set I got 10 years ago.

On another note, as far as music goes, I know I've stated that I mainly will be using this for movies/games/tv for the most part. But when I do listen to music, it isn't music with very much live instruments. What I man is I listen to more pop, hip-hop/rap, dance, spanish type of music rather than rock or very "instrument" full music.

After you have them in your HT for a couple of months (if not sooner) your worries will disappear. You have the first and most important step down, Buying them.
Now just have a liitle faith.
I just learned yesterday how to use the smilely faces.
Chris