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post #6031 of 18430
Teaser pics poster here....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3450#post_22687150
post #6032 of 18430
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

What a great guy!! He's willing to loan us the second 4311 for the event. Sweet! I guess he will be attending so will reap some benefit I hope.
David

Thats pretty sweet. Should make switching a breeze!
post #6033 of 18430
David, do want me to bring up the speaker stands for the Noesis?
post #6034 of 18430
That would be great. Thanks Carp.
post #6035 of 18430
No problem, I'm curious to see what they will look like - Jeff texted me today that I should have my speakers/stands by the weekend..

Man, I love the look of your S2's, still haven't seen one in person. Are you seeing this Tim? Must... resist... reaching... for the wallet!!!!
post #6036 of 18430
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Teaser pics poster here....
http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3450#post_22687150

Double S2s??? This is not gonna be a fair fight!! ho ho ho!
post #6037 of 18430
Score!! Even though I won't be there, big thanks to the great guy supplying the second 4311. Shame, all my gear is down and unplugged (including a 4311) due to a room and system redo. I'm not sure where the meet is, but I'm sure it's probably too far for this cheap okie.

Being an owner of both songtowers and quintuples, I'm interested to see how the meet goes. I personally prefer the power of the jtr's over the delicacy of the salks. But I guess I like my stuff too loud wink.gif I really should probably just sell the salks because I'm not getting the use that I should out of them. But since I can't seem to get myself to do it, then that must say something positive besides just their sexy good looks -
post #6038 of 18430
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Originally Posted by maintman View Post

Score!! Even though I won't be there, big thanks to the great guy supplying the second 4311. Shame, all my gear is down and unplugged (including a 4311) due to a room and system redo. I'm not sure where the meet is, but I'm sure it's probably too far for this cheap okie.
Being an owner of both songtowers and quintuples, I'm interested to see how the meet goes. I personally prefer the power of the jtr's over the delicacy of the salks. But I guess I like my stuff too loud wink.gif I really should probably just sell the salks because I'm not getting the use that I should out of them. But since I can't seem to get myself to do it, then that must say something positive besides just their sexy good looks -
In a perfect world I would own both too.smile.gif
Chris
post #6039 of 18430
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Double S2s??? This is not gonna be a fair fight!! ho ho ho!

Huh? The subs will be used for each speaker in attendance, so...???
post #6040 of 18430
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Huh? The subs will be used for each speaker in attendance, so...???

Not true, being a "full range" speaker, the Salks will just have to go it alone ... tongue.gif
post #6041 of 18430
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Not true, being a "full range" speaker, the Salks will just have to go it alone ... tongue.gif

LOL! biggrin.gif
post #6042 of 18430
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Not true, being a "full range" speaker, the Salks will just have to go it alone ... tongue.gif

Hee Hee... I concur!
post #6043 of 18430
OK so just so you guys can see what fun can be had with an external EQ, check out my progress last night smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1443125/using-dual-31band-eqs-for-lcr-to-give-audyssey-a-head-start/30#post_22687873

Also, after doing this, I ran Ghosts N Stuff at +5 and immediately felt nauseous. It was crazy. The system sounds better than ever though and that response is the best I have ever had. The JTR's didnt need as much tweaking to get them flat from looking at past graphs, but I have to say, I have never been this happy with the bass dept, it is just unreal...
post #6044 of 18430
^ While I am against applying any EQ above the Schroeder Frequency to a passive speaker, those results look really good. Nice job!
post #6045 of 18430
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

^ While I am against applying any EQ above the Schroeder Frequency to a passive speaker, those results look really good. Nice job!

FWIW I managed to avoid any boosting if I could. There is one or two boosts in there no more than 3dB tho, all the rest are cuts. I did notice the first shot at it, where I had eq'd a lot more, that the noise floor rose to a point I no longer liked it, so I scratched that plan, and started fresh, and the second time I achieved those results you see. It was a LOT of fun actually and the final response was well worth it smile.gif
post #6046 of 18430
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

OK so just so you guys can see what fun can be had with an external EQ, check out my progress last night smile.gif
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1443125/using-dual-31band-eqs-for-lcr-to-give-audyssey-a-head-start/30#post_22687873
Also, after doing this, I ran Ghosts N Stuff at +5 and immediately felt nauseous. It was crazy. The system sounds better than ever though and that response is the best I have ever had. The JTR's didnt need as much tweaking to get them flat from looking at past graphs, but I have to say, I have never been this happy with the bass dept, it is just unreal...

What speakers are you applying the EQ to Beast?

LR+Subs, LCR+subs, all speakers and subs?
post #6047 of 18430
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

What speakers are you applying the EQ to Beast?
LR+Subs, LCR+subs, all speakers and subs?

The 31-Band EQ I am applying to the L/R and then I have the DCX2496 which XO's my two subs, sets their phase/delay, and sets the low end boost (Linkwitz Transform). Other than that the DCX didn't need to eq the bass response at all, so I do believe my overall placement right now is pretty good to go. PIC: (minus the T8 so now running phantom CC)

post #6048 of 18430
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

OK so just so you guys can see what fun can be had with an external EQ, check out my progress last night smile.gif
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1443125/using-dual-31band-eqs-for-lcr-to-give-audyssey-a-head-start/30#post_22687873
Also, after doing this, I ran Ghosts N Stuff at +5 and immediately felt nauseous. It was crazy. The system sounds better than ever though and that response is the best I have ever had. The JTR's didnt need as much tweaking to get them flat from looking at past graphs, but I have to say, I have never been this happy with the bass dept, it is just unreal...

This past weekend when I went and demo'd the Salk speakers the owner Richard had a graph that shows the line for some 5" drivers.

Since I didn't really know much about those graphs and what they meant prior to that, I was wondering if anyone had any of those for any setups with the T8 or T12 speakers? I would just be curious to compare them.

Granted, I'm still a noob at the details of what those graphs mean heh, but I'm still learning.
post #6049 of 18430
what do you mean shows the line for the 5" drivers? The frequency response of the system?
post #6050 of 18430
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

what do you mean shows the line for the 5" drivers? The frequency response of the system?

Yeah, sorry. Again I'm a noob at this so I don't know the exact terminology haha, still learning daily.

Basically how your graph showed the line on the graph of the dB over the frequency.
post #6051 of 18430
Basically, both speakers are designed to play flat as possible (flat line that is). The Salk will play below 80hz and is more a "full-range" speaker, and the JTR's will need a subwoofer to handle below 80hz. You plan on using a subwoofer regardless so this is neither here nor there. You will be crossing either speaker you choose at 80hz anyways. With that said, I can try and dig up some old graphs of the triple 12's at reference playing flat as a BOARD. They really are awesome, and it didnt take near as much EQ to get them to sound as good as what it took on these LS6's. They really do play nicely with most rooms. I will see what I can find smile.gif
post #6052 of 18430
^Post-EQ doesn't count. smile.gif I think he means a set of quasi-anechoic measurements.
post #6053 of 18430
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

No problem, I'm curious to see what they will look like - Jeff texted me today that I should have my speakers/stands by the weekend

I hope that means me too! Though I know when Jeff give you a firm date, you always add a week, which would be this week! lol
post #6054 of 18430
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I hope that means me too! Though I know when Jeff give you a firm date, you always add a week, which would be this week! lol

Originally I was supposed to get them the beginning of last week, and then it was last weekend at the very latest so your adding one week sounds about right. wink.gifsmile.gif It is frustrating, but well worth the wait for what I know are unbelievable speakers. I'll really start to get the shakes if I don't get them by this weekend though, my wife will be out of town so I'll have lots of time to listen to them.
post #6055 of 18430
What JTR speakers would be ideal for surround speaker use?

I need at least 115 db of output and a width of no more than 16"

Pix?
post #6056 of 18430
Single 8 or single 8lp rock in a smaller form factor
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/single-8ht/
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/single-8ht-lp/


Or the triple 8 or triple 8lp in a bigger speaker with more drivers and more output.
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht/
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht-lp/



I use the single 8HT-lp's and have never felt like I needed more speaker at the surround position and in fact they would probably be more than one needs for mains.
post #6057 of 18430
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Basically, both speakers are designed to play flat as possible (flat line that is). The Salk will play below 80hz and is more a "full-range" speaker, and the JTR's will need a subwoofer to handle below 80hz. You plan on using a subwoofer regardless so this is neither here nor there. You will be crossing either speaker you choose at 80hz anyways. With that said, I can try and dig up some old graphs of the triple 12's at reference playing flat as a BOARD. They really are awesome, and it didnt take near as much EQ to get them to sound as good as what it took on these LS6's. They really do play nicely with most rooms. I will see what I can find smile.gif

Cool let me know. I'd definitely be interested in hearing them. He was just talking to me about how physically bigger woofers tend to be a certain way and he would assume the big woofers in the JTR would be that way as well and that the crossover would not be as smooth and you would get more fudge factor above the crossover point. And by "physically" I mean like the laws of physics heh.

And please don't quote me on that being what he said word for word, because like I said I don't really know much about this stuff in general and could be mis-interpreting or not remembering exactly what he said, and I don't want to make it sound like he was clueless because he clearly knew his stuff. He was telling me a lot of technical stuff that made sense and taught me quite a bit. And I mean in general not speaker specific.
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Single 8 or single 8lp rock in a smaller form factor
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/single-8ht/
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/single-8ht-lp/
Or the triple 8 or triple 8lp in a bigger speaker with more drivers and more output.
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht/
http://jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/triple-8ht-lp/
I use the single 8HT-lp's and have never felt like I needed more speaker at the surround position and in fact they would probably be more than one needs for mains.

Thanks

Why is freq response rated only down to 80 Hz for these speakers? I imagine they could go lower.

Thanks for the suggestions.

'What is 'half space' that is mentioned after the freq response of each of the surround speakers mentioned above (e.g. 80 hz to 20 khz).
post #6059 of 18430
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Thanks
Why is freq response rated only down to 80 Hz for these speakers? I imagine they could go lower.
Thanks for the suggestions.
'What is 'half space' that is mentioned after the freq response of each of the surround speakers mentioned above (e.g. 80 hz to 20 khz).


The triple 8HT(vented) is rated down to 70. The enclosure, driver and crossover design all determine the freq. response. Half space refers to the measurement type taken. Don't know the specifics.....Jeff is always more than happy to answer any questions....just email or call him. smile.gif
post #6060 of 18430
Finally watched part of Art of Flight today with my partial system. LCR T8's and S2. I see what all the hype was about. Even without surrounds, it was pretty amazing. Thanks for the recommendation guys.
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