Official JTR speaker thread - Page 211

Originally Posted by coolgeek 

Merry Christmas to all my JTR Buddies!

Originally Posted by beastaudio 

Tha up top rolloff is also going to be your mic. The main difference you are seeing between the two response looks to be if you have audyssey engaged it will use it for stereo, and not for direct. I have had similar things happen. Good looking response tho. real nice Clark!!!!

Originally Posted by coolgeek 

Merry Christmas to all my JTR Buddies!

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Same here, I hope you all have a great Christmas and a very Happy New Year ...

Originally Posted by coolgeek 

Merry Christmas to all my JTR Buddies!

Originally Posted by carp 

I'm playing with the Omnimic today, the plan was to measure the Submersives in all different configurations but I'm already side tracked. This has me scratching my head.
Here is a measurement of the Noesis full range from my main LP. The black line is when my receiver is set to "pure direct" and the blue line is when my receiver is on normal stereo, mains set to large no sub. What the hell, shouldn't the response be the same?

So, I decided to try a measurement up close. This is with the mic a couple of feet away from the right speaker. Same thing, black line is pure direct and blue line is normal stereo. Now they match up... makes no sense to me. I understand why the frequency response will be totally different back at my LP, but why the difference between pure direct and normal stereo full range with no subs when measuring from the LP, and then up close that difference is gone??

Both graphs are 1/12 smoothing. Man, the Noesis line is really smooth, much smoother with the up close measurement than my eD's or Magnepans were when Luke kamp had his omnimic over here.
The speakers were left in their places close to the corners, I'm guessing that's why there is a bump between 100 and 200 hz.
Every speaker I've measured in here has had that drop off between 10khz and 20khz, the Magnepans and eD's dropped off sharper than this however.
Ok, back to playing until the wife gets home.

Originally Posted by carp 

Here is one with the Submersives. I'll try it at higher volumes and see if it holds up down low. This is with some eq tweaking on my sms-1, pulling down peaks and boosting just once - a bit at 100hz.

4 of the 5 other seating positions look like crap though, so I'm going to play around with sub placement later this week.

Originally Posted by coolgeek 

Merry Christmas to all my JTR Buddies!

Originally Posted by carp 

Here is one with the Submersives. I'll try it at higher volumes and see if it holds up down low. This is with some eq tweaking on my sms-1, pulling down peaks and boosting just once - a bit at 100hz.

4 of the 5 other seating positions look like crap though, so I'm going to play around with sub placement later this week.

Originally Posted by lbrown105 

CARP the in room response looks great. Even in the graph without the subs the Neosis do well in the mid bass lower/midbass region, really smooth looking for only 1/12 smoothing. I ended up ordering the vented too in hopes of having a little more flexibility on xo setting. in this graph where is you xo set at and at what slope?

Originally Posted by RMK! 

That is a very sweet sweet spot.

Originally Posted by purbeast 


I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.

Originally Posted by purbeast 

Alright I'm going to just copy and paste my initial impressions from another forum that I'm keeping a build log on. Here goes

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Sssooo i just brought them downstairs and got 2 of them setup since i only have 2 wires currently running.
I took some pics here:






I brought down my old center channel speaker too so you can see how puny it is compared to the new one haha. I have one pic that also shows the old speakers next to the new ones in general just for size comparison.
So like i said, I only have the LR hooked up since that is all i have wired right now. on top of that it is with my old yamaha receiver not my denon 4311ci.
I was testing it out with some mp3 music on my phone as well as the reference series "bass" demo disc.
Well my first impression is that these speakers are retarded and that i think this is going to be complete overkill for me lol. But at the same time, I could not BELIEVE how crisp and clear they were.
I had initially heard that these speakers don't have much bass because they are meant to be paired with a sub. Well I was expecting much less bass than they had based off that comment, and I was really surprised how the bass was even without a sub. granted, a sub will be awesome, but these are on par with my current JBL speakers as far as bass goes, and actually surpass them so it was fine for me for time being.
Now my second impression other than this being retardedly loud and crisp is the freaking front sound stage. Like I said, it is only running 2 speakers right now from the receiver. just watching 3 scenes from avatar, u571, and terminator savlation, i kept thinking to myself 'wtf do i need 3 other speakers for?' lol so I can't believe how just these 2 speakers sounded.
Oh and to make matters "worse" ... i was watching scenes that were pretty much borderline what my ears could take, and I'd probably turn it down a notch if I was actually watching a full movie. So I went to my receiver to see the volume it was set to and it was at -29.5db. and this is with my old receiver that is totally uncalibrated or anything.
I listened to only 2 tracks of music from LMFAO just their 2 popular songs and I was already hearing parts of the song I had never heard before, within the first 10 seconds. OI don't know if it is that i was just paying attention more to it or what, but initially I was like wtf just because I thought I heard some stuff I've never heard before.
Unfortunately I won't be able to get all my in-wall wiring done this weekend but next weekend my buddy is going to come over and help me, I was talking to him yesterday about it. I'm hoping to at least have a 3.2 setup though for my new years party and just have all the receiver and stuff up around the front. Would be nice just to play music.
But damn i can already tell from the 10 minutes listening to these that this it the "movie theater" quality I wanted in my basement. and yes, i'm pretty sure it is total overkill lol. But hey it's better to be over qualified than under!
Also once out of the box, these speakers were pretty easy to lift and move around - the huge packaging made the boxes impossible to carry myself though. My monoprice order just came UPS too so now I have the wires and stuff, so this week I'm going to be getting my subs hooked up to at least hear the front stage in unison

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I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.

Originally Posted by carp 

Haha, thanks Eddie.
That's the thing though, I don't have audyssey and I made sure the MCACC eq was off when doing the measuring.

Originally Posted by purbeast 

Alright I'm going to just copy and paste my initial impressions from another forum that I'm keeping a build log on. Here goes

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Sssooo i just brought them downstairs and got 2 of them setup since i only have 2 wires currently running.
I took some pics here:

But damn i can already tell from the 10 minutes listening to these that this it the "movie theater" quality I wanted in my basement. and yes, i'm pretty sure it is total overkill lol. But hey it's better to be over qualified than under!
Also once out of the box, these speakers were pretty easy to lift and move around - the huge packaging made the boxes impossible to carry myself though. My monoprice order just came UPS too so now I have the wires and stuff, so this week I'm going to be getting my subs hooked up to at least hear the front stage in unison

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I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus 

Hey guys,
So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.
Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by SeaNile 

So this is another area where I get lost. Here I am thinking I want more, more SPL, more hard hitting bass and certainly more power from my amps and now an attenuator may help my stereo? Sometimes it's just easier to let a professional have at it but last time I did that I was unhappy with the sound and just went to EQ off in the settings. At this point I just might to get Jeff out here some how and let him work his magic.

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus 

Hey guys,
So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.
Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus 

Hey guys,
So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.
Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by Gorilla83 

Nice beast!! Like the others have said, wait until you turn on the subs.