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post #6301 of 18471
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Merry Christmas to all my JTR Buddies!
Merry Christmas everyone!
post #6302 of 18471
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Here is one with the Submersives. I'll try it at higher volumes and see if it holds up down low. This is with some eq tweaking on my sms-1, pulling down peaks and boosting just once - a bit at 100hz.

4 of the 5 other seating positions look like crap though, so I'm going to play around with sub placement later this week.

That is a very sweet sweet spot.cool.gif
post #6303 of 18471
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

CARP the in room response looks great. Even in the graph without the subs the Neosis do well in the mid bass lower/midbass region, really smooth looking for only 1/12 smoothing. I ended up ordering the vented too in hopes of having a little more flexibility on xo setting. in this graph where is you xo set at and at what slope?

I don't know what slope, whatever is set by my Pioneer Elite. The crossover is at 80hz.
post #6304 of 18471
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That is a very sweet sweet spot.cool.gif

Yeah, heh, I'm not sure what to do. My spot is great and so is the one next to me but the rest of the room is a 40-50 hz massive bump mess. I hate giving up the extra head room, but I think I am going to have to separate the Submersives.


Funny thing, even the test tone sweeps using the omnimic sound better on the Noesis. Even though it's still annoying, it's way smoother and less shrill than when I was doing this with the eD's a couple of weeks ago.

I really need to chill with my over the top praise of these speakers, I'm going to start losing credibility (if I ever had any tongue.gif ). Seriously? Better sounding sweeps?? rolleyes.gifeek.gif


I'm not kidding though, they really do sound better, haha. biggrin.gif


Ok, I'm off to the in laws. Merry Christmas guys.
post #6305 of 18471
Alright I'm going to just copy and paste my initial impressions from another forum that I'm keeping a build log on. Here goes


Sssooo i just brought them downstairs and got 2 of them setup since i only have 2 wires currently running.

I took some pics here:













I brought down my old center channel speaker too so you can see how puny it is compared to the new one haha. I have one pic that also shows the old speakers next to the new ones in general just for size comparison.

So like i said, I only have the LR hooked up since that is all i have wired right now. on top of that it is with my old yamaha receiver not my denon 4311ci.

I was testing it out with some mp3 music on my phone as well as the reference series "bass" demo disc.

Well my first impression is that these speakers are retarded and that i think this is going to be complete overkill for me lol. But at the same time, I could not BELIEVE how crisp and clear they were.

I had initially heard that these speakers don't have much bass because they are meant to be paired with a sub. Well I was expecting much less bass than they had based off that comment, and I was really surprised how the bass was even without a sub. granted, a sub will be awesome, but these are on par with my current JBL speakers as far as bass goes, and actually surpass them so it was fine for me for time being.

Now my second impression other than this being retardedly loud and crisp is the freaking front sound stage. Like I said, it is only running 2 speakers right now from the receiver. just watching 3 scenes from avatar, u571, and terminator savlation, i kept thinking to myself 'wtf do i need 3 other speakers for?' lol so I can't believe how just these 2 speakers sounded.

Oh and to make matters "worse" ... i was watching scenes that were pretty much borderline what my ears could take, and I'd probably turn it down a notch if I was actually watching a full movie. So I went to my receiver to see the volume it was set to and it was at -29.5db. and this is with my old receiver that is totally uncalibrated or anything.

I listened to only 2 tracks of music from LMFAO just their 2 popular songs and I was already hearing parts of the song I had never heard before, within the first 10 seconds. OI don't know if it is that i was just paying attention more to it or what, but initially I was like wtf just because I thought I heard some stuff I've never heard before.

Unfortunately I won't be able to get all my in-wall wiring done this weekend but next weekend my buddy is going to come over and help me, I was talking to him yesterday about it. I'm hoping to at least have a 3.2 setup though for my new years party and just have all the receiver and stuff up around the front. Would be nice just to play music.

But damn i can already tell from the 10 minutes listening to these that this it the "movie theater" quality I wanted in my basement. and yes, i'm pretty sure it is total overkill lol. But hey it's better to be over qualified than under!

Also once out of the box, these speakers were pretty easy to lift and move around - the huge packaging made the boxes impossible to carry myself though. My monoprice order just came UPS too so now I have the wires and stuff, so this week I'm going to be getting my subs hooked up to at least hear the front stage in unison smile.gif


I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.
post #6306 of 18471
Very nice Beast!
post #6307 of 18471
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post


I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.

I think they do have a top and bottom, but it doesn't matter. Both of the woofers are the same.
post #6308 of 18471
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Alright I'm going to just copy and paste my initial impressions from another forum that I'm keeping a build log on. Here goes
Sssooo i just brought them downstairs and got 2 of them setup since i only have 2 wires currently running.
I took some pics here:






I brought down my old center channel speaker too so you can see how puny it is compared to the new one haha. I have one pic that also shows the old speakers next to the new ones in general just for size comparison.
So like i said, I only have the LR hooked up since that is all i have wired right now. on top of that it is with my old yamaha receiver not my denon 4311ci.
I was testing it out with some mp3 music on my phone as well as the reference series "bass" demo disc.
Well my first impression is that these speakers are retarded and that i think this is going to be complete overkill for me lol. But at the same time, I could not BELIEVE how crisp and clear they were.
I had initially heard that these speakers don't have much bass because they are meant to be paired with a sub. Well I was expecting much less bass than they had based off that comment, and I was really surprised how the bass was even without a sub. granted, a sub will be awesome, but these are on par with my current JBL speakers as far as bass goes, and actually surpass them so it was fine for me for time being.
Now my second impression other than this being retardedly loud and crisp is the freaking front sound stage. Like I said, it is only running 2 speakers right now from the receiver. just watching 3 scenes from avatar, u571, and terminator savlation, i kept thinking to myself 'wtf do i need 3 other speakers for?' lol so I can't believe how just these 2 speakers sounded.
Oh and to make matters "worse" ... i was watching scenes that were pretty much borderline what my ears could take, and I'd probably turn it down a notch if I was actually watching a full movie. So I went to my receiver to see the volume it was set to and it was at -29.5db. and this is with my old receiver that is totally uncalibrated or anything.
I listened to only 2 tracks of music from LMFAO just their 2 popular songs and I was already hearing parts of the song I had never heard before, within the first 10 seconds. OI don't know if it is that i was just paying attention more to it or what, but initially I was like wtf just because I thought I heard some stuff I've never heard before.
Unfortunately I won't be able to get all my in-wall wiring done this weekend but next weekend my buddy is going to come over and help me, I was talking to him yesterday about it. I'm hoping to at least have a 3.2 setup though for my new years party and just have all the receiver and stuff up around the front. Would be nice just to play music.
But damn i can already tell from the 10 minutes listening to these that this it the "movie theater" quality I wanted in my basement. and yes, i'm pretty sure it is total overkill lol. But hey it's better to be over qualified than under!
Also once out of the box, these speakers were pretty easy to lift and move around - the huge packaging made the boxes impossible to carry myself though. My monoprice order just came UPS too so now I have the wires and stuff, so this week I'm going to be getting my subs hooked up to at least hear the front stage in unison smile.gif
I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.

great first impression. just wait till you turn the subs on!
post #6309 of 18471
Merry Christmas everyone!
post #6310 of 18471
Purbeast, awesome man. I'm happy for you. At first you will think it's overkill but trust me you won't want to give up all that headroom. It's so cool how you can just keep turning up the volume and it stays crystal clear. Love the room, love the setup with the dual Caps up front in the middle, reminds me of Archaea's caps setup. Great setup!!
post #6311 of 18471
Hey guys,

So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.

Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?

The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.

Thanks guys!
post #6312 of 18471
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Haha, thanks Eddie.
That's the thing though, I don't have audyssey and I made sure the MCACC eq was off when doing the measuring.

Then you just discovered that the AVR is still doing some kind of signal manipulation in stereo mode smile.gif. Perhaps the standard bass/treble is at fault...or the manufacturers house curve in stereo mode. I suppose that's why they made a "pure" mode.
post #6313 of 18471
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Alright I'm going to just copy and paste my initial impressions from another forum that I'm keeping a build log on. Here goes
Sssooo i just brought them downstairs and got 2 of them setup since i only have 2 wires currently running.
I took some pics here:

But damn i can already tell from the 10 minutes listening to these that this it the "movie theater" quality I wanted in my basement. and yes, i'm pretty sure it is total overkill lol. But hey it's better to be over qualified than under!
Also once out of the box, these speakers were pretty easy to lift and move around - the huge packaging made the boxes impossible to carry myself though. My monoprice order just came UPS too so now I have the wires and stuff, so this week I'm going to be getting my subs hooked up to at least hear the front stage in unison smile.gif
I also had another question - does the orientation of these speakers matter at all? I don't know what side is top and what is bottom, or if it matters at all even.

Wow... thanks for the reviews... they are look awesome! Looks like you have made the right decision going the JTR route.
post #6314 of 18471
Nice beast!! Like the others have said, wait until you turn on the subs. biggrin.gif
post #6315 of 18471
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Hey guys,
So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.
Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

The JTR's are not harsh sounding and they do a great job of reproducing voices. I do not know if you can talk the price down. They are under priced already. However, you may be able to find some used.
post #6316 of 18471
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

So this is another area where I get lost. Here I am thinking I want more, more SPL, more hard hitting bass and certainly more power from my amps and now an attenuator may help my stereo? Sometimes it's just easier to let a professional have at it but last time I did that I was unhappy with the sound and just went to EQ off in the settings. At this point I just might to get Jeff out here some how and let him work his magic.

John if you're around tomorrow give me a shout and I will come over with my meter to recalibrate.
post #6317 of 18471
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Hey guys,
So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.
Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

That's a lot of questions nobody can answer for you really. All I can say is I came from a full paradigm studio setup (100's and 20's) and my only regret is wasting so much time using the paradigms in the first place. The JR's are better in every respect from movies to music. Not even close or worth comparing IMO.
post #6318 of 18471
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Hey guys,
So I have a 14x20' dedicated HT room (133" projection screen, Anthem MRX700 receiver, two rows of seating). At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25 (5.1 setup). Unfortunately, the decision has finally been made and I HAVE TO sell off the Signature speakers for extra cash, which leaves me with an empty front sound stage. The Sub 25 and Surround 3's will be staying put. So I need to find a new LCR setup.
Now, I can do a simple Paradigm Monitor 11/Center 3 setup for $2000 and call it a day......or I can look at shelling out an extra $1000 and do (3) JTR Triple 8HT-LP's. I have only ever owned Paradigm, so I have NO IDEA what to expect from the JTR's. Are they harsh sounding? Do they reproduce lifelike voices (that was the major plus I always had for Paradigm, especially their Signature speakers.....lifelike voice reproduction)? Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

Your Paradigm Sigs are very nice and I came very close to buying S8's a few years ago but after demos of both opted for Revel instead. As HT speakers the JTR's are much more capable than either of those speakers. Dialog intelligibility is as good as it gets with the JTR's (virtually all of them including the single 8's) and based upon your room size and use, the T8LP's would make a great LCR setup IMHO. smile.gif
post #6319 of 18471
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Nice beast!! Like the others have said, wait until you turn on the subs. biggrin.gif

Hoping to get a temporary setup running the front 5 by this weekend. I have all my wiring and stuff but I won't be able to do the in wall wiring until the first weekend in January.

Would it be a bad idea to have my receiver/amp/ps3 sitting on top of the center T12, just like for a week or so, and actually using it? Could the magnets in the woofers jack up any of the electronics in those items?

Reason I'm asking is because I plan to have a wall plate literally right behind the center speaker and running the front 5 speakers from that jack. And if I can set the receiver right on top of it, I can cut the wires the length that I will actually be using when the in wall wiring is all finished. But if it's bad idea to have electronics sitting on the speaker I definitely don't want to do that.
post #6320 of 18471
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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

Would a denon 4520ci good enough to power the noesis front 3?

Short answer ... yes!
post #6321 of 18471
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

Then you just discovered that the AVR is still doing some kind of signal manipulation in stereo mode smile.gif. Perhaps the standard bass/treble is at fault...or the manufacturers house curve in stereo mode. I suppose that's why they made a "pure" mode.

Ok, gotcha, makes sense - thanks.
post #6322 of 18471
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Nice beast!! Like the others have said, wait until you turn on the subs. biggrin.gif

Hoping to get a temporary setup running the front 5 by this weekend. I have all my wiring and stuff but I won't be able to do the in wall wiring until the first weekend in January.

Would it be a bad idea to have my receiver/amp/ps3 sitting on top of the center T12, just like for a week or so, and actually using it? Could the magnets in the woofers jack up any of the electronics in those items?

Reason I'm asking is because I plan to have a wall plate literally right behind the center speaker and running the front 5 speakers from that jack. And if I can set the receiver right on top of it, I can cut the wires the length that I will actually be using when the in wall wiring is all finished. But if it's bad idea to have electronics sitting on the speaker I definitely don't want to do that.

no don't put the ps3 on top of a magnetic speaker or you risk losing data on the harddrive. the amps and avr will be fine to put on the speaker. hard drives work by magnetics and so the ps3, Xbox, or your pc should stay far away.
post #6323 of 18471
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

At the current moment I have a pair of Paradigm Signature S8'S and a Signature C5 (all v3), along with a pair of Paradigm Monitor Surround 3's and a Paradigm Sub 25
Will they crossover fine with my Sub 25 (the built in ARC software on my MRX says my Sub 25 can handle from 20Hz to 120Hz completely flat)? Can the price be negotiated down from the $1200 per speaker on their website? WILL I BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTING SOUND?
The use in my HT room is 100% movie/sports viewing. NO MUSIC. AT ALL.
Thanks guys!

My previous system was a 7.2 comprised of the Sig S8's /C5 /S2'S /and ADP3's with a pair of Sub 25's. I traded up to a complete JTR system and don't miss a thing.

What surprises me is why you would pay up for all that Paradigm stuff and only use it on movies. Even with huge discounts. Anyways JTR are far superior for movies and only a small step back on music and even that is arguable depending on your priorities in that area.
Your non JTR surround speakers will NOT be able to keep up with the JTR mains. Trust me I tried just for kicks. The Sub 25's will be fine to keep and will integrate well. I do not reget making the change at all, but the standard disclaimer always applies here...Do try and find someone local who will let you audition them What I or others like may not be your idea of better. As far as negotiating the price down it's easy.

From the JTR site:
Buy four or more and save an additional 5%.
Buy eight or more and save an additional 10%.
Mix and match.
Accumulative for repeat customers.
post #6324 of 18471
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Sssooo i just brought them downstairs and got 2 of them setup since i only have 2 wires currently running.
Well my first impression is that these speakers are retarded and that i think this is going to be complete overkill for me lol. But at the same time, I could not BELIEVE how crisp and clear they were.
But damn i can already tell from the 10 minutes listening to these that this it the "movie theater" quality I wanted in my basement. and yes, i'm pretty sure it is total overkill lol. But hey it's better to be over qualified than under!
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The setup looks fantastic Drew. I'm sure you will be even more pleased once you've had time to get your room together. I miss them already frown.gif and only the knowledge that I have Neosis's on the way as their replacements makes my long wait bearable.
post #6325 of 18471
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Originally Posted by dryeye View Post

The setup looks fantastic Drew. I'm sure you will be even more pleased once you've had time to get your room together. I miss them already frown.gif and only the knowledge that I have Neosis's on the way as their replacements makes my long wait bearable.

Thanks again man, I'm definitely liking them the short time I've spent with them so far. I'm back at work today unfortunately so I can't play around with them during the day this week, but I'm hoping tonight to get some of it wired up and maybe have my front 5 wired up by tonight. I'm definitely excited about getting it up and running though, that is for sure!
post #6326 of 18471
Carp,

Can you readjust your graphs to show 5dB increments? It obviously won't look as smooth but will compare much better to most other graphs that can be found on AVS from other posters.

PurBeast,

Not sure if I like another Beast around here. haha!!! Regardless, glad you are blown away! It won't stop until you have watched every title you have, and then it may still not smile.gif also, you think you have bass now, those caps are going to kill you. When you looked at your AVR at -29.5 and it hasn't been calibrated, that can be very misleading. After Audyssey, it will usually set the T-12's at -12dB to get them attenuated enough. If your speaker trims are already set above 0 for L/R, then I can easily see how -29.5 dB is too loud for you.
post #6327 of 18471
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Carp,
Can you readjust your graphs to show 5dB increments? It obviously won't look as smooth but will compare much better to most other graphs that can be found on AVS from other posters.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice that. It's weird when I'm using the Omnimic it was in 5 db increments but my old snapshots like what you saw posted were 10. Today I tried another snapshot and it's in 5db increments so oh well, working fine now.

I un-stacked my subs and left one of them in the front right corner since that's where I get the most output down low, and everywhere else really. Then I tried the other sub all over the room and ended up with where I used to have it, in the left front corner.



It looks like the curve looses some of it's composure when I added 15db, not quite as flat.

That dip at 100 hz can't be removed. I tried that second sub all over the room including places in the middle of the room that would make no sense for a sub placement. The dip is still there. Even with the just the speakers and no sub the 100 hz dip is there.


I must have had my couch a little further back when I had the eD's and did those measurements but I don't want to scoot back due to my surround speaker placement - ehhhh it's all about finding the best compromise I guess.

Would having another sub(s) even do anything for that dip at 100?
post #6328 of 18471
I'm not kidding when I say it's becoming clear that I need more subs. From the curve you can see I'm only getting around 10 more db between 20 and 40 hz even though the volume is 15 db higher. Also, last night I re-watched the Art of Flight and it's obvious my subs can't keep up with the speakers when I want to get crazy with the bass.
post #6329 of 18471
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice that. It's weird when I'm using the Omnimic it was in 5 db increments but my old snapshots like what you saw posted were 10. Today I tried another snapshot and it's in 5db increments so oh well, working fine now.
I un-stacked my subs and left one of them in the front right corner since that's where I get the most output down low, and everywhere else really. Then I tried the other sub all over the room and ended up with where I used to have it, in the left front corner.

It looks like the curve looses some of it's composure when I added 15db, not quite as flat.
That dip at 100 hz can't be removed. I tried that second sub all over the room including places in the middle of the room that would make no sense for a sub placement. The dip is still there. Even with the just the speakers and no sub the 100 hz dip is there.
I must have had my couch a little further back when I had the eD's and did those measurements but I don't want to scoot back due to my surround speaker placement - ehhhh it's all about finding the best compromise I guess.
Would having another sub(s) even do anything for that dip at 100?

I had a similar dip @just below 100hz, right above my 80hz xo. Playing with xo slopes and sub distance fixed the dip I had. The probelm I have is although I can PEQ my subs separately i can only have one distance setting for the sub b/c my reciever only has one sub out. Does you pre pro or receiver have more than one sub out? Bass management is a lot of fun if you have a good PEQ and can make a huge difference in performance.
post #6330 of 18471
How do you guys make these graphs? Is it hardware + software?
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