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post #6421 of 18386
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Just curious, how would I go about shipping these 2 Caps? I've got the boxes but clueless about which carrier, prices, etc.

You can use an freight carrier like Pitt Ohio. You could give a call or I'm sure there are plenty of online quotes you could use.
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I felt bad for all these sales of Caps so I just ordered another S2 from Jeff. He said it would take a few weeks. That embarrasing empty space between my center channel and left channel should be filled smile.gif
Now I will have my wall of sound with at most an inch between speakers tongue.gif

Nice! I see you finally gave into the pressure on here. Congrats. biggrin.gif
post #6422 of 18386
Not sure what year the changes happened. These are the ones with the passive radiator. I bought these from a AVS member.

Don't want to get off on a tangent within this thread. Subs are listed in the classified section

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post #6423 of 18386
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Not sure what year the changes happened. These are the ones with the passive radiator. I bought these from a AVS member.
Don't want to get off on a tangent within this thread. Subs are listed in the classified section
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That version used a 12" driver (pretty robust as I recall) and the 18"PR. It was a 6th order bandpass design similar to Mark Seaton's Terraform (remember that sub ... wink.gif). I had the original Caps and paired them with some Danley TH-SPUDS. The combo made for a great ride for movies but I preferred the Caps alone for music. Nice subs but If I had them I'd definitely do the driver upgrade to the 18" current model. I believe some interior cabinet modifications are also necessary but it has been a while so you should check with Jeff for the full details.

BTW, the left over 12" drivers might do well in a small sealed box smile.gif
post #6424 of 18386
t heard
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Really?, I wonder ... confused.gif
While I'm sure it would be a good learning experience and justifiable on that level alone, the "next level" is very subjective. smile.gif
I haven't heard subs he is building but come on 8 18in drivers! For me the next level will be a lab gruppen for the Neosis and another OS, but he has heard an OS in his room and is going another direction with DIY which will be interesting to watch unfold. I guess next level in terms of bass spl should be minimum expectation.
post #6425 of 18386
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

t heard I haven't heard subs he is building but come on 8 18in drivers! For me the next level will be a lab gruppen for the Neosis and another OS, but he has heard an OS in his room and is going another direction with DIY which will be interesting to watch unfold. I guess next level in terms of bass spl should be minimum expectation.

I will say this, once you go DIY, it's all down hill from there lol. You'll likely never buy any commercial sub again. It's not going to be hard to completely demolish the Submersives. Though I must admit, I'd love to hear a OS in person.
post #6426 of 18386
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

t heard I haven't heard subs he is building but come on 8 18in drivers! For me the next level will be a lab gruppen for the Neosis and another OS, but he has heard an OS in his room and is going another direction with DIY which will be interesting to watch unfold. I guess next level in terms of bass spl should be minimum expectation.

Yeah, the only reason im not going with more submersives or an orbit shifter is money. Basically what I'm doing is trading 1 submersive for a lot more output, if I love it ill build 4 more and sell the other submersive.
post #6427 of 18386
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I felt bad for all these sales of Caps so I just ordered another S2 from Jeff. He said it would take a few weeks. That embarrasing empty space between my center channel and left channel should be filled smile.gif
Now I will have my wall of sound with at most an inch between speakers tongue.gif

That is a great idea Frohlich and you will have an awesome front stage sound presentation cool.gif . Have you tried angling the Center channel up so that it points directly at ear level in your LP?
post #6428 of 18386
Since we are talking subs here, I had a chance to listen to Gorilla83's setup today. My god it is awesome! His 4 boxes with dual opposing 18's is insane. Everything sounds so good and hard hitting without being sloppy and feeling like everything is being pushed too much. Thought I want to duplicate his subs and get 4 CHT 18.2 subs but I swear 4 just might be too many! All of a sudden I am considering 2 and not 4. Can always add more subs and the clone amp later....
post #6429 of 18386
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That is a great idea Frohlich and you will have an awesome front stage sound presentation cool.gif . Have you tried angling the Center channel up so that it points directly at ear level in your LP?

Thanks for reminding me. I actually thought about it after I saw Carps custom center stand from JTR for his Noesis. I might just have to give Jeff a call and add a little something to this order smile.gif
post #6430 of 18386
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Keep in mind John's are the prior passive radiator version with the smaller driver. Still a great buy, but I have yet to see any 2011+ model Caps sell for less than what you got yours for. biggrin.gif

Ah ok gotcha, I'll pretend like I know exactly what you mean tongue.gif

I just watched the Dark Knight Rises with my brother. He had never seen the movie before, and 3 months ago when I told him my plans he was like "when you are done let's watch that movie for the first movie" so I had to. I had already seen it but I called him to come over and he had no plans so we checked it out, granted it's still 3.2.

He was basically blown away the entire movie. The past few weeks as he's seen my progress, and seen the subs sitting there without being hooked up he thought it would be total overkill (which it is) and too loud(which it is lol), but you can control it to sound good. So when we watched it I let him control the volume and he had it just around where I would keep it.

It's funny because like 50% into the movie he was asking me about my surrounds and forgot I didn't even have those hooked up yet lol.

Needless to say he thought it sounded just like being in the theater and loved the bass from the caps shaking the whole room all while blending together.

I cannot wait until I get it all setup and finished, think I'm about to go watch more scenes from other movies lol.
post #6431 of 18386
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I will say this, once you go DIY, it's all down hill from there lol. You'll likely never buy any commercial sub again. It's not going to be hard to completely demolish the Submersives. Though I must admit, I'd love to hear a OS in person.

The Submersive is one of the best sounding subs I have ever heard. No one needs more bass than they can provide but this is the sub crazy crowd and need isn't the point.

Don't worry about hearing an OS cause you could easily build a bunch of boxes containing inexpensive drivers powered by an imported amp(s) of questionable pedigree that could "completely demolish" the Orbit Shifter ... right?

"It's all downhill from there" You guys crack me up. smile.gif
post #6432 of 18386
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

The Submersive is one of the best sounding subs I have ever heard. No one needs more bass than they can provide but this is the sub crazy crowd and need isn't the point.
Don't worry about hearing an OS cause you could easily build a bunch of boxes containing inexpensive drivers powered by an imported amp(s) of questionable pedigree that could "completely demolish" the Orbit Shifter ... right?
"It's all downhill from there" You guys crack me up. smile.gif

Actually yes, I can and do but I don't use cheap drivers but even if I did, so what? As for the amps, they are not clones on the inside, only the case is the same. They provide huge power for 1K, if they break down, I can fix them myself, I've got 4 years of electrical classes under my belt. I've also built exactly 52 subs now with my latest 2242H's (I have over 20 drivers in storage and not cheap drivers either) It's fun to build stuff, once someone builds, it almost always leads to building something else, I don't see the harm in that. I've built my own speakers but theres alot more to it than building a sub. I'm sure Jeff's OS's would best one of my 21's, the problem is for the money I'd spend on the OS, I could build 4.

You say having more bass than the submersives can provide is crazy, yet you have 2 OS's...... I'm sure there is someone out there that is willing to come pick up your other "non needed" OS biggrin.gif

It's just a hobby and it's all in the name of enjoyment. Whether it's 100 subs in you room or spending 5K on a record player, as long as the person is happy with their gear, thats all that matters.
post #6433 of 18386
Building sealed box subwoofers isn't necessarily difficult nor particularly challenging if you have some basic tools and the time. Not everyone has either the time nor inclination to DIY. Even fewer people are bench capable electricians who could diagnose and fix an amplifier problem at the component level.

Using hyperbolic terms like destroy to describe real or imagined performance deltas is not scientific nor instructional. Last I checked, this is a specific manufacturers ID speaker thread. Perhaps keeping a bit closer to the Threads topic would be more beneficial to those reading and trying to learn.

Oh and by the way, I too like me some bass. smile.gif
post #6434 of 18386
Good amp, good driver, and well braced enclosure makes a great sealed sub. However, one needs to add DSP or tweak the response as well. Yes DIY is awesome but not for everyone and Jeff's products are the high end of ID as performance is concerned. It is all good!
post #6435 of 18386
The only way to demolish an OS is to run over it with a Mac truck. A pair of Orbit Shifters's or Cap S2's is the next level in subwoofer performance when comparing to a pair of Subm HP's. Once an individual has more than enough bass with limitless headroom then it truly is downhill after that. Once you hit Max then adding extra is wasted and if one feels more is better than they did not have enough to begin with.
DIY projects are done for many reasons and one big reason is saving money. Carp clearly states that he is selling one Subm HP to get funds to build 4 DIY subs. N8Dogg states he can build 4 21" DIY subs for the price of one OS. They are both correct and if that is what they want and how they want to do it great I really am excited to see it all play out. That is definately one way to get great bass at a good value and pick up alot of valueable knowledge.
I am on the other side of the fence on this meaning for me and my HT room, (which is countryboy nice but not as nice as Carp's and N8Dogg's HT) there is Noway I would consider getting rid of my SubM HP's for anything in the DIY field at the same cost. I know I cannot do it better than Mark or Jeff and the only way to get more would be to use less expensive products. I would kick my subs to the corner for a pair of OS's but I would not consider any DIY project for the same money. IMO if it takes 4 of anything to best one that is not better. I also think that a Cap S2 cannot be "bested" for the price if the same quality drivers and amp is used. Everything I just wrote is completely an opinion and is 100% subjective so please noone take it out of context.
I look at the total package value and to me for 3 grand the OS and Cap S2 is the best of the best while others can think that is crazy talk and I am cool with that. smile.gif
For some a pair of HP's or OS's or S2's is more than enough and for others there is No such thing as enough and for those they will be chasing their tale till the day they die or get tired and give up which is where I am right now.
The only point I am trying to make is there is no need to put down one in order to compliment another. If this hobby really is about fun then All quality subs and sub projects should be appreciated for what they are.
Last night I had the house to myself for a few hours. I have been saving a BR of Korn Live at the Hollywood Palladium for some alone time to put my system to the test. It was the best experience I have had to date. Incredible, Amazing, and Badass all in one. It was recorded in DTS -HD and the venue had to be a small cement block building with concrete floors. The LFE signal light on my HP's amp stayed on the entire time that any and all music was playing. I have never heard or felt anything like this out of music except for something like the bass Meckanics. I listened at reference for the entire 16 song set. No listening fatigue at all but I was physically wore out afterward and my face hurts this morning from the constant perma-grin I had. The drivers have never pumped so hard on both the T12's and the HP's. For bass this concert is the first 10/10 I have experienced. I was almost at my bass limit for the first time in 41 years. This showing was superior to the Metallice Magnetic BR. So anyone that likes Korn this the BR concert to have.
Just my 2 cents mixed in with a little BS.
Chris
post #6436 of 18386
Chris,

Good stuff.

A few things for me being budget minded. My room is 24x48x9 and the Caps with the original drivers and passive radiators did amazingly well, that is until I went to Andrew's house. Sometimes the recipe calls for more drivers and more power. For my room I decided to sell my Caps and order 2 of the 18.2 CHT subs and use my Crest CC4000 to power them. Should the need to add more happen, I will get two more of the CHT 18.2's and the clone amp.

Seems like all of us are improving our systems but going at it in different although very similar directions.

With the holiday next week and an upcoming work trip I should be getting the CHT subs on or around Jan 10. Hope to get them hooked up that weekend and get a few hours of playing time on them.

Noticed my Cap boxes had UPS ground stickers, I might use that same method to ship out my Caps.
post #6437 of 18386
For me, 1 S2 is more than enough bass. Of course my room is only 14x15 feet and completely closed off from the rest of the house. The only reason I can think of to add more subs would be to smooth out measurable (I haven't measured), but not perceivable inconsistencies in bass response at the different listening positions. When I have watched movies or listened to music around reference, like others above, I have felt like I was going to shake the house down.
post #6438 of 18386
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

For me, 1 S2 is more than enough bass. Of course my room is only 14x15 feet and completely closed off from the rest of the house. The only reason I can think of to add more subs would be to smooth out measurable (I haven't measured), but not perceivable inconsistencies in bass response at the different listening positions. When I have watched movies or listened to music around reference, like others above, I have felt like I was going to shake the house down.
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The main reason I am getting another S2 is to fill a visual hole in my room layout.....and 2 is 1 more than I have now. It's money we'll spent to me because it will make me happy, and as mentioned above, that is hopefully why we are all into this crazy hobby.
post #6439 of 18386
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Building sealed box subwoofers isn't necessarily difficult nor particularly challenging if you have some basic tools and the time. Not everyone has either the time nor inclination to DIY. Even fewer people are bench capable electricians who could diagnose and fix an amplifier problem at the component level.
Using hyperbolic terms like destroy to describe real or imagined performance deltas is not scientific nor instructional. Last I checked, this is a specific manufacturers ID speaker thread. Perhaps keeping a bit closer to the Threads topic would be more beneficial to those reading and trying to learn.
Oh and by the way, I too like me some bass. smile.gif

Geez man, I never said everyone HAS to go DIY, it's on option and Carp is taking it and I was talking about it. I don't know why you feel it's personal against someone who buys.

Well, thats just me I guess, a monkey with a saw and no skill, I'm surprised I can even work this internet thing the kids are always on....rolleyes.gif
post #6440 of 18386
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Geez man, I never said everyone HAS to go DIY, it's on option and Carp is taking it and I was talking about it. I don't know why you feel it's personal against someone who buys.
Well, thats just me I guess, a monkey with a saw and no skill, I'm surprised I can even work this internet thing the kids are always on....rolleyes.gif

Sorry if I offended you Nate. I think you have done a great job with your theater and I have no doubt your DIY subs perform as you say. You apparently have the requisite skills that make the purchase of the import (no warranty) amp a reasonable risk. BTW, calling that thing an LG "clone" is inaccurate and, an insult to LG.

I assume Carp knows what he is doing and that particular situation isn't what I was talking about. I see DIY recommendations made to folks who are still trying to figure out the basics. To get good results knowledge is necessary and if you value your time it is not always cheaper. The components used often get expensive and the box build quality is also essential. I just think the advice to DIY should be accompanied with some caveats the most important being go to the DIY section of the Forum and read, read, read and then ask lot's of questions ... smile.gif
post #6441 of 18386
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I assume Carp knows what he is doing and that particular situation isn't what I was talking about

Haha, guys I have NO IDEA what I'm doing. eek.gifbiggrin.gif If Kevin hadn't jumped into DIY and I hadn't heard his creation I wouldn't have considered it.

Here is a breakdown to my thinking:

Music is my priority and a single Submersive sounds fantastic in my LP. There is no locallization with just using one Submersive, in fact when I ran a 150 hz crossover there wasn't even any localization. Others can verify, must be my room and I'm not complaining. Now that I'm down to a 80hz crossover with the Noesis there is no way it will ever be a factor. Now, do dual Submersives sound better for music in other parts of the room? Yes, but I really don't care about that, which is why I ran the Submersives stacked for a long time.

Now, when I say music is the priority it doesn't mean that I don't want more output for movies - which, once again, is why I stacked the Submersives.

So, my thinking is I can sell one Submersive, still have the amazing sound quality for music and get a LOT more output for movies (and thoes Archaea type songs to demo for friends) by building 4 single DIY subs.

If I decide that then DIY subs sound just as good I'll sell my other Submersive and build the remaining 4 subs. If not, I'll sell the extra 4 drivers and just stick with my 4 DIY subs and 1 Submersive.
post #6442 of 18386
Trip to Gorilla83's+snow storm=upgrade bug

Not only are the Caps for sale but now so is my Crest CC4000 amp.
post #6443 of 18386
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Trip to Gorilla83's+snow storm=upgrade bug
Not only are the Caps for sale but now so is my Crest CC4000 amp.

I'd think if your price is right, that Crest will be gone pretty quick. They are very good amps.
post #6444 of 18386
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I'd think if your price is right, that Crest will be gone pretty quick. They are very good amps.

I have no idea what it is worth. I can't find any for sale and the only ones on a google search are new and about $1000 or so but no one has them in stock?
post #6445 of 18386
I'd personally ask $650 but take no less than $600. They go new at ABE's for $700 new in stock but everywhere else, they seem to be $999 or similar. I think $650 would be a fair price and if I needed one, I'd buy it myself for that but I have 12 pro amps already biggrin.gif
post #6446 of 18386
Carp
Do you plan on doing a build thread? You take good pictures.smile.gif
I just read through Gorilla's and it was very interesting. biggrin.gif
Chris
post #6447 of 18386
Carp,
Why don't you build one dual opposed sub first and listen to it properly to compare it to the Submersive(play both at medium levels with the same response) and if you like it then build more.
post #6448 of 18386
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Carp
Do you plan on doing a build thread? You take good pictures.smile.gif
I just read through Gorilla's and it was very interesting. biggrin.gif
Chris

Thanks Chris, I'm thinking about waiting for the flat packs to get back in stock but I probably will start a thread.
post #6449 of 18386
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Carp,
Why don't you build one dual opposed sub first and listen to it properly to compare it to the Submersive(play both at medium levels with the same response) and if you like it then build more.

MK, I posted some info about comparing dual opposed Dayton's to my Submersive here, along with more impressions of the Noesis:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1407184/carps-basement-hide-out/180#post_22761841
post #6450 of 18386
Looks like you already made the decision, nice! Build 4!
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