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post #6481 of 18677
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Carp
I saw your thread on the subwoofer part but I am posting this here to avoid any disagreements that may come from this.
Your Noesis speakers and SubM Hp's are the next level of performance and the SMS-1 is not. It can work and improve on lower level offerings but IMO does more harm than good at the level you are at now. Kick that dinosaur to the curb and try to pick up an avr with MultiEQ XT32. This is just my 2 cents but I feel the need to tell you since you are trying to tame the same system (almost) that I have been working on for over a year and I know the SMS-1 does not work well with my system but XT32 is the sh-t for dual sub EQ.
I have a less than 50hr SMS-1 setting in my retired equipment room packaged up collecting dust.
I know others swear by it but I see it as part of the problem not the solution.
Keep trying and you will figure it out.
Chris

Sorry but there are things the SMS-1 can do that even xt-32 cannot. I have once again seen xt32 do some CRAZY things before and it is still a "To each his own" thing. The sms-1 might be just the ticket for a different setup. I basically HAVE to have some type of external EQ device for my room as my subs have to have their delay and phase done manually to work well. the DCX or SMS-1 can do either of these. The only reason I am selling mine is I still have the DCX in-line and I am finally comfortable with all its sub-menus.

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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Don't worry coach, things are about to get real interesting. A group of us from KC are headed up today for a GTG in Iowa going on tomorrow that will be a blind test comparison of the Noesis and the Salk (can't remember the model, but it's $$$$ and sounds fantastic according to all accounts).

They are the songtowers, and I am DEFINITELY looking forward to the results of that.
post #6482 of 18677
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I bet someone will start a thread here. I'm taking one of my Noesis up so that we can have the full LRC for movie demo's, I think the blind test will just be 2 channel and phantom center for movies but I'm not positive about that.

Two channel for the blind would be best IMO.

Maybe you should bring your stands to get the Noesis pair up off the floor as that would put the HF drivers at approx the same height ... smile.gif
post #6483 of 18677
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I have a demo this weekend with a fellow AVS member who is considering JTR speakers. You might stop by later in the month when you might be back in town...Jeff should list my house on his web site for people wanting JTR demos biggrin.gif

Can't wait to hear his thoughts on how your system sounds.

I have officially started my "new speaker prep".... This is when I start writing all the dimensions down of what I have now compared what the new speakers will be. Then I have to determine if they will fit in the current location and what stand(s) I will need to accommodate them... That is usually followed by getting a good estimate on what the delivered cost will be.

Most likely we will be up on the 25th of January and staying through Saturday night or Sunday morning..
post #6484 of 18677
My negative comments about the SMS-1 are pertaining only to the Subm HP's and a general lack of bass that comes from that combination. I understand that a plethora of subs and HT systems greatly benefit from the SMS-1. I think it is just not needed with the HP's. There is just better options available now.
What MK was referring to earlier about the extra stuff may not be needed. That is how I feel with the SMS-1/SubM HP combination. The Submersive thread has those that still use it and those who have moved on to something else.
I think Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 has alot of room for improvement and cannot wait for the next version but it still does better(in my system) than the SMS-1. They both have faults but the SMS-1 leaves my HP's extremely underwhelming. A nice flat response but No Magic.
Chris
post #6485 of 18677
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Two channel for the blind would be best IMO.
Maybe you should bring your stands to get the Noesis pair up off the floor as that would put the HF drivers at approx the same height ... smile.gif
Great idea. They also look better in person.smile.gif
Chris
post #6486 of 18677
Yes, make sure both are setup up ideally before comparing.
post #6487 of 18677
Well, stitch1 and I just loaded 1 Noesis, 2 stands, and the center channel stand into his Suburban so we are good to go. If we get in a wreck JTR gear is killing us all.
post #6488 of 18677
I'm telling you though it's so cool to have sold a Submersive but I've lost zero output since I took the sms-1 out. Dual stacked Submersives with sms-1 = single submersive with no sms-1.
post #6489 of 18677
I was just looking at the overall dimensions of the Noesis 212HT and LP models.

Are the dimenions listed as HXWXD meaning the HT's are 40"H x 16.5W x 14D?

Thanks..
post #6490 of 18677
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I was just looking at the overall dimensions of the Noesis 212HT and LP models.
Are the dimenions listed as HXWXD meaning the HT's are 40"H x 16.5W x 14D?
Thanks..
Yes
post #6491 of 18677
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Reading a post like this, makes me feel even more confident that JTR is the right fit for my upgrade. biggrin.gif
What kind of surround are you going with? I am hoping to stick with my Klipsch surrounds(RS-52II and RB-61II) until I can upgrade them to JTR's.

Going to wait to see if I can find some T8's for the surrounds used, but if I can't, probably single 8's slanted I'm thinking. I'm probably not going to get them for a little bit though because I have to book a trip t costa rica for my wife and I at the end of February and that is going to cost some dough!

I am 100% confident that you will NOT be disappointed with JTR! If anything, they are simply overkill and BETTER than what I really need lol. I mean my goal was to get my basement to sound like a movie theater, and with only 3 speakers and 2 subs, I think I even surpassed that.

Everyone who has heard my system for a 5.1 movie has been like "AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE YOUR SURROUNDS?!?!?" in the tone as if they are saying "WTF IT SOUNDS THIS GOOD AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE 2 OF THE SPEAKERS?!?"
post #6492 of 18677
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Going to wait to see if I can find some T8's for the surrounds used, but if I can't, probably single 8's slanted I'm thinking. I'm probably not going to get them for a little bit though because I have to book a trip t costa rica for my wife and I at the end of February and that is going to cost some dough!
I am 100% confident that you will NOT be disappointed with JTR! If anything, they are simply overkill and BETTER than what I really need lol. I mean my goal was to get my basement to sound like a movie theater, and with only 3 speakers and 2 subs, I think I even surpassed that.
Everyone who has heard my system for a 5.1 movie has been like "AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE YOUR SURROUNDS?!?!?" in the tone as if they are saying "WTF IT SOUNDS THIS GOOD AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE 2 OF THE SPEAKERS?!?"

In looking at your room, space on the right side is limited. The T8's are pretty deep and will crowd that right side seat. The LP's might work but I'm thinking Slanted 8's high up that wall will do you just fine. I used one as a center channel while I was waiting for the Noesis to arrive and it sounded amazingly good. I really don't think you (or anyone for that matter) needs more than Single 8's or Slanted 8's for surround duty.

That's my two shekels ... smile.gif
post #6493 of 18677
Decision time.. T8-LP vs T12-LP vs Neosis-LP for LR Duty. For Center, i am pretty much set for T8-LP as I don't have room.
It is a great room (20x18x8) but i have a big opening to the living room and hallway. If it is T8-LP, i can hang on my wall, but i think T12-LP/Noesis-LP will be way too big and awkward.
The right speaker will be very close to the corner.. is T8-LP going to be a problem?

And if anyone had -LP for sale, please PM me too. That could help me make some decision smile.gif
post #6494 of 18677
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Decision time.. T8-LP vs T12-LP vs Neosis-LP for LR Duty. For Center, i am pretty much set for T8-LP as I don't have room.
It is a great room (20x18x8) but i have a big opening to the living room and hallway. If it is T8-LP, i can hang on my wall, but i think T12-LP/Noesis-LP will be way too big and awkward.
The right speaker will be very close to the corner.. is T8-LP going to be a problem?
And if anyone had -LP for sale, please PM me too. That could help me make some decision smile.gif

T8LPs would make a good LCR setup. I was using my T8LP surrounds as mains during the Noesis wait and they (like the slanted 8 mentioned above) sounded really good. Not Noesis good, but really good. wink.gif
post #6495 of 18677
Thanks Rob.. The slanted 8 sound so good (not to mention the OS) that I think my LCR is not catching up... Now if I can get some good deal on the T8LP...
post #6496 of 18677
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

T8LPs would make a good LCR setup. I was using my T8LP surrounds as mains during the Noesis wait and they (like the slanted 8 mentioned above) sounded really good. Not Noesis good, but really good. wink.gif

There are so many T12's for sale out there with people upgrading to the Noesis that I am tempted to try and find another 2010 T8 to give me 4 for surrounds and then upgrade my LCR to 12's, but I think that slanted 8's will actually be a little better and definitely better looking hanging on the wall in my small theater.

It is good to keep hearing good things about the T8's and Slanted 8's to keep me from over buying.
post #6497 of 18677
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

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There are so many T12's for sale out there with people upgrading to the Noesis that I am tempted to try and find another 2010 T8 to give me 4 for surrounds and then upgrade my LCR to 12's, but I think that slanted 8's will actually be a little better and definitely better looking hanging on the wall in my small theater.
It is good to keep hearing good things about the T8's and Slanted 8's to keep me from over buying.
If Jeff came out with a Slanted T8 my surround/rear channel worries would be solved.smile.gif
Chris
post #6498 of 18677
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

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There are so many T12's for sale out there with people upgrading to the Noesis that I am tempted to try and find another 2010 T8 to give me 4 for surrounds and then upgrade my LCR to 12's, but I think that slanted 8's will actually be a little better and definitely better looking hanging on the wall in my small theater.
It is good to keep hearing good things about the T8's and Slanted 8's to keep me from over buying.


I have 3 2010 T8s...these are the early ones measuring 26x12x12.75 and weight only 50lbs. They have the new xover and CDs. Purbeast possibly looking at pair, so I would have the 3rd left. I've been talking to Jeff about the 3TXs as mains. wink.gif
post #6499 of 18677
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

I have 3 2010 T8s...these are the early ones measuring 26x12x12.75 and weight only 50lbs. They have the new xover and CDs. Purbeast possibly looking at pair, so I would have the 3rd left. I've been talking to Jeff about the 3TXs as mains. wink.gif

Sounds like a win, win, win to me. cool.gif
post #6500 of 18677
I might consider a used set of the 12's at the right price instead of the Noesis... PM me if you have any or know of any for sale.. Thanks.
post #6501 of 18677
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

I have 3 2010 T8s...these are the early ones measuring 26x12x12.75 and weight only 50lbs. They have the new xover and CDs. Purbeast possibly looking at pair, so I would have the 3rd left. I've been talking to Jeff about the 3TXs as mains. wink.gif

That's great especially with 2012 upgraded components for CD and XO. Interesting idea with the 3TX as mains, smaller and lighter but with the new CD and XO of the Neosis I think. They have been getting fantastic reviews on the pro boards too!
post #6502 of 18677
Sorry. What is 3TX?
post #6503 of 18677
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Sorry. What is 3TX?

It's a pro version 3-way speaker in Jeff's line-up. Uses dual 10" neo magnet woofers and the same 1.4" CD/horn in the Noesis....but much lighter.
post #6504 of 18677
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

It's a pro version 3-way speaker in Jeff's line-up. Uses dual 10" neo magnet woofers and the same 1.4" CD/horn in the Noesis....but much lighter.

Yep and, it is very cool looking ... cool.gif

I've been wondering when someone would give them a try in an HT application. Probably a little lighter on the midbass than the 212's.
post #6505 of 18677
Haven't been here in a while since I got my sealed Triple 8s a year or so ago.....They're still awesome and I have no desire to upgrade speakers in my 2000 cubic foot room. How is everyone else liking their's? I actually changed processor and amp last year to a McIntosh system and I really like it with the JTR's....

Anyway, just stopping back in to say hi!
post #6506 of 18677
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

I have 3 2010 T8s...these are the early ones measuring 26x12x12.75 and weight only 50lbs. They have the new xover and CDs. Purbeast possibly looking at pair, so I would have the 3rd left. I've been talking to Jeff about the 3TXs as mains. wink.gif

That is very tempting. PM me if you end up with an extra T8.
post #6507 of 18677
OK. i am set for the sealed T8-LP.. so I can hang onto my wall and make it cleaner in my setup.
Anyone had 3 for sale, I am interested. Please PM me.
post #6508 of 18677
the results and basic feedback has been posted for the Iowa GTG where the Neosis was blind tested against the Salk Ht2-TL's. Even at low spl (83dB) in two channel music mode more people preffered the neosis. I can't wait for mine to get here. Its going to be the best of both worlds, awesome at audiophile critical listening levels and awesome with crushing dynamics and clarity at high spl. Home run!
post #6509 of 18677
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

the results and basic feedback has been posted for the Iowa GTG where the Neosis was blind tested against the Salk Ht2-TL's. Even at low spl (83dB) in two channel music mode more people preffered the neosis. I can't wait for mine to get here. Its going to be the best of both worlds, awesome at audiophile critical listening levels and awesome with crushing dynamics and clarity at high spl. Home run!

I saw dlbecks post tonight and I'm impressed (but not surprised) the Noesis did so well in the music category as I'm sure the Salks are an awesome loudspeaker for music. In any case it would have been fun to attend the GTG. Sounds like everyone had a good time and they did a great job with the blind test.
post #6510 of 18677
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

the results and basic feedback has been posted for the Iowa GTG where the Neosis was blind tested against the Salk Ht2-TL's. Even at low spl (83dB) in two channel music mode more people preffered the neosis. I can't wait for mine to get here. Its going to be the best of both worlds, awesome at audiophile critical listening levels and awesome with crushing dynamics and clarity at high spl. Home run!

OK, I am like 99% movie. Is T8-LP "good enough"? Will I notice big difference from T8 to Neosis?
I most certainly want this next LCR to last at least 5 years.. so I don't want any buyer remorse (well, who am I kidding smile.gif) I got my OS about 2 years back and seriously, i did not have any subwoofer upgrade urge as it is so good. Also, would like to save up for a Panny VT50..
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