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1/4/13 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Just when I get caught up on this thread....it slows WAY down. Guess that is a good thing because it must mean everybody is too busy listening to their JTR setups. biggrin.gif

I won't lie that is exactly why I've come here less and less! I've just been enjoying them for the time being until I can get my surrounds. I don't really have much new to add or anything.

But I did have a NYE party and showed my room/setup to about 30 people and they were all blown away by it. I put on Saving Private Ryan for about 6 people and 3 of them had to get up before the opening scene ended because they were getting too into it and didn't want to get too sucked into a movie at a NYE party.
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1/4/13 at 6:35am
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I won't lie that is exactly why I've come here less and less! I've just been enjoying them for the time being until I can get my surrounds. I don't really have much new to add or anything.
But I did have a NYE party and showed my room/setup to about 30 people and they were all blown away by it. I put on Saving Private Ryan for about 6 people and 3 of them had to get up before the opening scene ended because they were getting too into it and didn't want to get too sucked into a movie at a NYE party.

Reading a post like this, makes me feel even more confident that JTR is the right fit for my upgrade. biggrin.gif

What kind of surround are you going with? I am hoping to stick with my Klipsch surrounds(RS-52II and RB-61II) until I can upgrade them to JTR's.
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1/4/13 at 6:35am
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I won't lie that is exactly why I've come here less and less! I've just been enjoying them for the time being until I can get my surrounds. I don't really have much new to add or anything.
But I did have a NYE party and showed my room/setup to about 30 people and they were all blown away by it. I put on Saving Private Ryan for about 6 people and 3 of them had to get up before the opening scene ended because they were getting too into it and didn't want to get too sucked into a movie at a NYE party.

I'm in the same boat. I spent my Christmas break and watched at leat 15 movies. Many of them were with Friends and family that were in town for the Holidays. My brother in law and his family were in town and stayed at our house for 3 nights and every night I received multiple requests to go down and watch a "Family" movie....even from the women folk smile.gif All 9 of us fit comfortably in the man cave and had a great time watching movies like Ice Age 4, Brave, Austin Powers 1 and 2, etc..... not to mention playing Black Ops 2 with my Brother in law and nephews was a ton of fun.
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1/4/13 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Reading a post like this, makes me feel even more confident that JTR is the right fit for my upgrade. biggrin.gif
What kind of surround are you going with? I am hoping to stick with my Klipsch surrounds(RS-52II and RB-61II) until I can upgrade them to JTR's.

I have a demo this weekend with a fellow AVS member who is considering JTR speakers. You might stop by later in the month when you might be back in town...Jeff should list my house on his web site for people wanting JTR demos biggrin.gif
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post #6485 of 8265
1/4/13 at 7:53am
Carp
I saw your thread on the subwoofer part but I am posting this here to avoid any disagreements that may come from this.
Your Noesis speakers and SubM Hp's are the next level of performance and the SMS-1 is not. It can work and improve on lower level offerings but IMO does more harm than good at the level you are at now. Kick that dinosaur to the curb and try to pick up an avr with MultiEQ XT32. This is just my 2 cents but I feel the need to tell you since you are trying to tame the same system (almost) that I have been working on for over a year and I know the SMS-1 does not work well with my system but XT32 is the sh-t for dual sub EQ.
I have a less than 50hr SMS-1 setting in my retired equipment room packaged up collecting dust.
I know others swear by it but I see it as part of the problem not the solution.
Keep trying and you will figure it out.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 1/4/13 at 8:27am
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1/4/13 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Carp
I saw your thread on the subwoofer part but I am posting this here to avoid any disagreements that may come from this.
Your Noesis speakers and SubM Hp's are the next level of performance and the SMS-1 is not. It can work and improve on lower level offerings but IMO does more harm than good at the level you are at now. Kick that dinosaur to the curb and try to pick up an avr with MultiEQ XT32. I saw amazon selling brand new Denon 3312's for less than $600. That is a hell of a deal and even comes with denon factory 3 yr warrenty. They also had the equivalent in Onkyos for the same great deals.
This is just my 2 cents but I feel the need to tell you since you are trying to tame the same system (almost) that I have been working on for over a year and I know the SMS-1 does not work well with my system but XT32 is the sh-t for dual sub EQ.
I have a less than 50hr SMS-1 setting in my retired equipment room packaged up collecting dust.
I know others swear by it but I see it as part of the problem not the solution.
Keep trying and you will figure it out.
Chris

The 3312 does not have XT32. For XT32, you need to get either the 4311 (discontinued) or the new 4520.
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1/4/13 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

The 3312 does not have XT32. For XT32, you need to get either the 4311 (discontinued) or the new 4520.
sorry for the bad information. I have the 4311 and wrongly assumed it to be MultiEQ XT insted of MultiEQ XT32.
Please don't let my ignorance overpower the point of what I was trying to express being that the SMS-1 takes away too much and offers little in return in my system. (SubM HP's)
When Carp had stated earlier that he was not getting enough bass from his subs my first thought was Get rid of the SMS-1 and he will see immediate improvements.
Thanks for setting me straight.smile.gif
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 1/4/13 at 8:36am
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1/4/13 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Carp
I saw your thread on the subwoofer part but I am posting this here to avoid any disagreements that may come from this.
Your Noesis speakers and SubM Hp's are the next level of performance and the SMS-1 is not. It can work and improve on lower level offerings but IMO does more harm than good at the level you are at now. Kick that dinosaur to the curb and try to pick up an avr with MultiEQ XT32. This is just my 2 cents but I feel the need to tell you since you are trying to tame the same system (almost) that I have been working on for over a year and I know the SMS-1 does not work well with my system but XT32 is the sh-t for dual sub EQ.
I have a less than 50hr SMS-1 setting in my retired equipment room packaged up collecting dust.
I know others swear by it but I see it as part of the problem not the solution.
Keep trying and you will figure it out.
Chris

I hear you, but I like to be able to tweak things myself. That's what I like about my receiver, being able to manually tweak the eq and save different presets. Same for the sms-1, I like being in control and having a bunch of presets. I don't like something else to do it for me and say - here, you either like it or you don't.

I'm eventually planning on getting a minidsp for my DIY subs, I'm not real familiar with it, maybe that will do everything I need for the subs.
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1/4/13 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Just when I get caught up on this thread....it slows WAY down. Guess that is a good thing because it must mean everybody is too busy listening to their JTR setups. biggrin.gif

Don't worry coach, things are about to get real interesting. A group of us from KC are headed up today for a GTG in Iowa going on tomorrow that will be a blind test comparison of the Noesis and the Salk (can't remember the model, but it's $$$$ and sounds fantastic according to all accounts).
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post #6490 of 8265
1/4/13 at 8:44am
Measure the response and see if any extra stuff is needed at all. One point of multiple subs is smoothing out the response naturally. I usually just have to add a low shelf or LT under 20hz. Room and boundary gain take care of most of it.
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1/4/13 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Don't worry coach, things are about to get real interesting. A group of us from KC are headed up today for a GTG in Iowa going on tomorrow that will be a blind test comparison of the Noesis and the Salk (can't remember the model, but it's $$$$ and sounds fantastic according to all accounts).

That sounds like fun. Is there a Thread with the details?

Edit: I found dlbecks post in the HT Meet Section. Might be good to start a separate Thread here in the Speaker Section as I imagine there will be a lot of interest. cool.gif
Edited by RMK! - 1/4/13 at 8:50am
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1/4/13 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That sounds like fun. Is there a Thread with the details?
Edit: I found dlbecks post in the HT Meet Section. Might be good to start a separate Thread here in the Speaker Section as I imagine there will be a lot of interest. cool.gif

I bet someone will start a thread here. I'm taking one of my Noesis up so that we can have the full LRC for movie demo's, I think the blind test will just be 2 channel and phantom center for movies but I'm not positive about that.
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1/4/13 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Carp
I saw your thread on the subwoofer part but I am posting this here to avoid any disagreements that may come from this.
Your Noesis speakers and SubM Hp's are the next level of performance and the SMS-1 is not. It can work and improve on lower level offerings but IMO does more harm than good at the level you are at now. Kick that dinosaur to the curb and try to pick up an avr with MultiEQ XT32. This is just my 2 cents but I feel the need to tell you since you are trying to tame the same system (almost) that I have been working on for over a year and I know the SMS-1 does not work well with my system but XT32 is the sh-t for dual sub EQ.
I have a less than 50hr SMS-1 setting in my retired equipment room packaged up collecting dust.
I know others swear by it but I see it as part of the problem not the solution.
Keep trying and you will figure it out.
Chris

Sorry but there are things the SMS-1 can do that even xt-32 cannot. I have once again seen xt32 do some CRAZY things before and it is still a "To each his own" thing. The sms-1 might be just the ticket for a different setup. I basically HAVE to have some type of external EQ device for my room as my subs have to have their delay and phase done manually to work well. the DCX or SMS-1 can do either of these. The only reason I am selling mine is I still have the DCX in-line and I am finally comfortable with all its sub-menus.

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Don't worry coach, things are about to get real interesting. A group of us from KC are headed up today for a GTG in Iowa going on tomorrow that will be a blind test comparison of the Noesis and the Salk (can't remember the model, but it's $$$$ and sounds fantastic according to all accounts).

They are the songtowers, and I am DEFINITELY looking forward to the results of that.
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post #6494 of 8265
1/4/13 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I bet someone will start a thread here. I'm taking one of my Noesis up so that we can have the full LRC for movie demo's, I think the blind test will just be 2 channel and phantom center for movies but I'm not positive about that.

Two channel for the blind would be best IMO.

Maybe you should bring your stands to get the Noesis pair up off the floor as that would put the HF drivers at approx the same height ... smile.gif
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1/4/13 at 9:47am
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I have a demo this weekend with a fellow AVS member who is considering JTR speakers. You might stop by later in the month when you might be back in town...Jeff should list my house on his web site for people wanting JTR demos biggrin.gif

Can't wait to hear his thoughts on how your system sounds.

I have officially started my "new speaker prep".... This is when I start writing all the dimensions down of what I have now compared what the new speakers will be. Then I have to determine if they will fit in the current location and what stand(s) I will need to accommodate them... That is usually followed by getting a good estimate on what the delivered cost will be.

Most likely we will be up on the 25th of January and staying through Saturday night or Sunday morning..
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1/4/13 at 9:49am
My negative comments about the SMS-1 are pertaining only to the Subm HP's and a general lack of bass that comes from that combination. I understand that a plethora of subs and HT systems greatly benefit from the SMS-1. I think it is just not needed with the HP's. There is just better options available now.
What MK was referring to earlier about the extra stuff may not be needed. That is how I feel with the SMS-1/SubM HP combination. The Submersive thread has those that still use it and those who have moved on to something else.
I think Audyssey MultiEQ XT32 has alot of room for improvement and cannot wait for the next version but it still does better(in my system) than the SMS-1. They both have faults but the SMS-1 leaves my HP's extremely underwhelming. A nice flat response but No Magic.
Chris
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1/4/13 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Two channel for the blind would be best IMO.
Maybe you should bring your stands to get the Noesis pair up off the floor as that would put the HF drivers at approx the same height ... smile.gif
Great idea. They also look better in person.smile.gif
Chris
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1/4/13 at 9:58am
Yes, make sure both are setup up ideally before comparing.
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post #6499 of 8265
1/4/13 at 10:00am
Well, stitch1 and I just loaded 1 Noesis, 2 stands, and the center channel stand into his Suburban so we are good to go. If we get in a wreck JTR gear is killing us all.
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1/4/13 at 10:03am
I'm telling you though it's so cool to have sold a Submersive but I've lost zero output since I took the sms-1 out. Dual stacked Submersives with sms-1 = single submersive with no sms-1.
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1/4/13 at 10:04am
I was just looking at the overall dimensions of the Noesis 212HT and LP models.

Are the dimenions listed as HXWXD meaning the HT's are 40"H x 16.5W x 14D?

Thanks..
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1/4/13 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I was just looking at the overall dimensions of the Noesis 212HT and LP models.
Are the dimenions listed as HXWXD meaning the HT's are 40"H x 16.5W x 14D?
Thanks..
Yes
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1/4/13 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Reading a post like this, makes me feel even more confident that JTR is the right fit for my upgrade. biggrin.gif
What kind of surround are you going with? I am hoping to stick with my Klipsch surrounds(RS-52II and RB-61II) until I can upgrade them to JTR's.

Going to wait to see if I can find some T8's for the surrounds used, but if I can't, probably single 8's slanted I'm thinking. I'm probably not going to get them for a little bit though because I have to book a trip t costa rica for my wife and I at the end of February and that is going to cost some dough!

I am 100% confident that you will NOT be disappointed with JTR! If anything, they are simply overkill and BETTER than what I really need lol. I mean my goal was to get my basement to sound like a movie theater, and with only 3 speakers and 2 subs, I think I even surpassed that.

Everyone who has heard my system for a 5.1 movie has been like "AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE YOUR SURROUNDS?!?!?" in the tone as if they are saying "WTF IT SOUNDS THIS GOOD AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE 2 OF THE SPEAKERS?!?"
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1/4/13 at 5:19pm
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Going to wait to see if I can find some T8's for the surrounds used, but if I can't, probably single 8's slanted I'm thinking. I'm probably not going to get them for a little bit though because I have to book a trip t costa rica for my wife and I at the end of February and that is going to cost some dough!
I am 100% confident that you will NOT be disappointed with JTR! If anything, they are simply overkill and BETTER than what I really need lol. I mean my goal was to get my basement to sound like a movie theater, and with only 3 speakers and 2 subs, I think I even surpassed that.
Everyone who has heard my system for a 5.1 movie has been like "AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE YOUR SURROUNDS?!?!?" in the tone as if they are saying "WTF IT SOUNDS THIS GOOD AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE 2 OF THE SPEAKERS?!?"

In looking at your room, space on the right side is limited. The T8's are pretty deep and will crowd that right side seat. The LP's might work but I'm thinking Slanted 8's high up that wall will do you just fine. I used one as a center channel while I was waiting for the Noesis to arrive and it sounded amazingly good. I really don't think you (or anyone for that matter) needs more than Single 8's or Slanted 8's for surround duty.

That's my two shekels ... smile.gif
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1/4/13 at 5:38pm
Decision time.. T8-LP vs T12-LP vs Neosis-LP for LR Duty. For Center, i am pretty much set for T8-LP as I don't have room.
It is a great room (20x18x8) but i have a big opening to the living room and hallway. If it is T8-LP, i can hang on my wall, but i think T12-LP/Noesis-LP will be way too big and awkward.
The right speaker will be very close to the corner.. is T8-LP going to be a problem?

And if anyone had -LP for sale, please PM me too. That could help me make some decision smile.gif
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1/4/13 at 6:04pm
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Decision time.. T8-LP vs T12-LP vs Neosis-LP for LR Duty. For Center, i am pretty much set for T8-LP as I don't have room.
It is a great room (20x18x8) but i have a big opening to the living room and hallway. If it is T8-LP, i can hang on my wall, but i think T12-LP/Noesis-LP will be way too big and awkward.
The right speaker will be very close to the corner.. is T8-LP going to be a problem?
And if anyone had -LP for sale, please PM me too. That could help me make some decision smile.gif

T8LPs would make a good LCR setup. I was using my T8LP surrounds as mains during the Noesis wait and they (like the slanted 8 mentioned above) sounded really good. Not Noesis good, but really good. wink.gif
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1/4/13 at 9:24pm
Thanks Rob.. The slanted 8 sound so good (not to mention the OS) that I think my LCR is not catching up... Now if I can get some good deal on the T8LP...
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1/4/13 at 9:46pm
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T8LPs would make a good LCR setup. I was using my T8LP surrounds as mains during the Noesis wait and they (like the slanted 8 mentioned above) sounded really good. Not Noesis good, but really good. wink.gif

There are so many T12's for sale out there with people upgrading to the Noesis that I am tempted to try and find another 2010 T8 to give me 4 for surrounds and then upgrade my LCR to 12's, but I think that slanted 8's will actually be a little better and definitely better looking hanging on the wall in my small theater.

It is good to keep hearing good things about the T8's and Slanted 8's to keep me from over buying.
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1/5/13 at 4:51am
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There are so many T12's for sale out there with people upgrading to the Noesis that I am tempted to try and find another 2010 T8 to give me 4 for surrounds and then upgrade my LCR to 12's, but I think that slanted 8's will actually be a little better and definitely better looking hanging on the wall in my small theater.
It is good to keep hearing good things about the T8's and Slanted 8's to keep me from over buying.
If Jeff came out with a Slanted T8 my surround/rear channel worries would be solved.smile.gif
Chris
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1/5/13 at 8:02am
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There are so many T12's for sale out there with people upgrading to the Noesis that I am tempted to try and find another 2010 T8 to give me 4 for surrounds and then upgrade my LCR to 12's, but I think that slanted 8's will actually be a little better and definitely better looking hanging on the wall in my small theater.
It is good to keep hearing good things about the T8's and Slanted 8's to keep me from over buying.


I have 3 2010 T8s...these are the early ones measuring 26x12x12.75 and weight only 50lbs. They have the new xover and CDs. Purbeast possibly looking at pair, so I would have the 3rd left. I've been talking to Jeff about the 3TXs as mains. wink.gif
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