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post #6511 of 18452
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

OK, I am like 99% movie. Is T8-LP "good enough"? Will I notice big difference from T8 to Neosis?
I most certainly want this next LCR to last at least 5 years.. so I don't want any buyer remorse (well, who am I kidding smile.gif) I got my OS about 2 years back and seriously, i did not have any subwoofer upgrade urge as it is so good. Also, would like to save up for a Panny VT50..

Yes. Make sure you have subs to compliment...
post #6512 of 18452
Good enough? Crying out loud, the T8 is as good as any with slight differences between others. Even JTR's own bigger and badder speakers will offer an Increase in performance but not as much as one would think, the T8 is at the diminishing return part of the chain so spending more gets you better but never will be a night and day difference. Bigger sound, more Midbass, better feel are somethings you can get but again you have spend twice as much(Noesis) and much more with other speakers.
post #6513 of 18452
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Good enough? Crying out loud, the T8 is as good as any with slight differences between others. Even JTR's own bigger and badder speakers will offer an Increase in performance but not as much as one would think, the T8 is at the diminishing return part of the chain so spending more gets you better but never will be a night and day difference. Bigger sound, more Midbass, better feel are somethings you can get but again you have spend twice as much(Noesis) and much more with other speakers.

I agree, if you do the bass/sub integration properly and pay attention to some basic room acoustics (as with any set up) those T8's are awesome.
post #6514 of 18452
I had been sold on the Noesis...but have also been considering the other options out there in the JTR line. Seems like every owner(regardless of what model they choose)seems to really enjoy the sound these speakers put out.

My current setup for LCR are the RF-7II's and a RC-64II. Has anybody on here made the jump from this setup to a JTR setup? I read the last 50 or so pages of the thread and don't remember seeing anybody mention it..
post #6515 of 18452
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I agree, if you do the bass/sub integration properly and pay attention to some basic room acoustics (as with any set up) those T8's are awesome.

Thanks for saving me a lot of typing ... wink.gifcool.gif
post #6516 of 18452
post #6517 of 18452
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Good enough? Crying out loud, the T8 is as good as any with slight differences between others. Even JTR's own bigger and badder speakers will offer an Increase in performance but not as much as one would think, the T8 is at the diminishing return part of the chain so spending more gets you better but never will be a night and day difference. Bigger sound, more Midbass, better feel are somethings you can get but again you have spend twice as much(Noesis) and much more with other speakers.

I disagree guys, I think the difference between the 888's and the Noesis is huge.

I've said this before so I don't to sound like a broken record....

oh well, broken record time again. When I heard the 888's in my room I didn't have a single thought of upgrading and they are what, 1200 per speaker? When I heard the Noesis in my room I knew I had to buy them and they are 2200 per speaker. The difference on music is dramatic. No way I would have preferred the 888's to the Salk's at the blind GTG.

*disclaimer* that is all MY opinion, others my find the differences more subtle. smile.gif
post #6518 of 18452
I concur with carp! Noesis is quite a bit better in my subjective opinion too. Not that the former models are bad. I still prefered them to the Salk overall at the Wisconsin meet. Just that the Noesis are sooooo amazing! They grow on me everytime I hear them!
post #6519 of 18452
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I disagree guys, I think the difference between the 888's and the Noesis is huge.
I've said this before so I don't to sound like a broken record....
oh well, broken record time again. When I heard the 888's in my room I didn't have a single thought of upgrading and they are what, 1200 per speaker? When I heard the Noesis in my room I knew I had to buy them and they are 2200 per speaker. The difference on music is dramatic. No way I would have preferred the 888's to the Salk's at the blind GTG.
*disclaimer* that is all MY opinion, others my find the differences more subtle. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I concur with carp! Noesis is quite a bit better in my subjective opinion too. Not that the former models are bad. I still prefered them to the Salk overall at the Wisconsin meet. Just that the Noesis are sooooo amazing! They grow on me everytime I hear them!

I have only had a quick demo of the Neosis and they did sound amazing so I am not in disagreement with those of you that have more time with them. In fact it was both of you plus Rob that made me decide to get them even before I heard them.

On a seperate note I have been using my small def tech BP1's as LR and my def tech 2002 as center channel, no rears. I just turned the OS off and run the empire and velos for now and even those had to be turned down. Very unimpressive right now but should make the new set up that much more exciting when it gets here. Now just the waiting game.
post #6520 of 18452
I will agree with both Carp and Archaea that the Noesis is a cut above the rest but (with my limited experience) I don't feel they are as far apart as they do. Its the compression driver in the Noesis that sets them apart. I love the Noesis but I do feel like they could use a bit more mid-bass. If you have a pair of some high end subs that can help fill that in (run them hot) then you have no problems. I would love to do a blind comp with both the T8's and Noesis. I do think the Noesis would win hands down in details but I don't think it would be a large of a margin as the forums are starting to lead on.

Also Carp you would really pick the Salks over the T8's? I have a very hard time believing this. It's like you saying you never run your system "all that loud"biggrin.gif
Edited by stitch1 - 1/6/13 at 7:40pm
post #6521 of 18452
I agree about the midbass, but they are meant to be used with good subs IMO.
post #6522 of 18452
I am sorry guys, I should always put in a disclaimer that I talk about a real cinematic experience, music is secondary to me. Sounds like you guys love the Noesis, awesome!
post #6523 of 18452
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

OK, I am like 99% movie. Is T8-LP "good enough"? Will I notice big difference from T8 to Neosis?
I most certainly want this next LCR to last at least 5 years.. so I don't want any buyer remorse (well, who am I kidding smile.gif) I got my OS about 2 years back and seriously, i did not have any subwoofer upgrade urge as it is so good. Also, would like to save up for a Panny VT50..

I have not heard the Noesis, but I can certainly say that the T8's are good enough. In my fairly well treated room with a well integrated S2, I had some guests today say the sound is much better than a movie theater, and that is without surrounds, since I am still saving up for slanted 8's. This is also with the 2010 model T8's. The new ones will sound even better.

T8's or Noesis, you can't lose. You will be ecstatic either way.
post #6524 of 18452
stitch,

carp and I have demoed both triple 8s and noesis in our own rooms.
post #6525 of 18452
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

stitch,
carp and I have demoed both triple 8s and noesis in our own rooms.

I wish I could have been there. I don't think I would (or am) disagreeing with you. I'm just saying the T8's are still some pretty nice sounding speakers.
post #6526 of 18452
All this Neosis talk has me very much looking forward to the April 13th GTG. Can't wait to hear them in person.
post #6527 of 18452
Jeff built the Noesis with the goal of it being a more audiophile sounding speaker while not giving up the dynamics that those of us who owned the Triples have come to appreciate (it's addictive). I think he did just that and,the Noesis are a cut above the Triples in terms of midrange and high frequency sound quality and music is where this is most noticeable. Like the Triples, the Noesis is not a full range speaker and requires a sub even for music.

Honestly, l could be (and was) just as happy with the Triple 12's considering my 90% HT movie usage. It was a blind buy and I was a little nervous when I sold the T12's before even hearing the Noesis. I'm usually more of a cautious hear it first person but Jeff has earned my respect and I believed he was on to something with the Noesis design. It took this very special speaker to get me to make a change from theTriple 12's. smile.gif
post #6528 of 18452
If all I did was watch movies I would be fine with the 888's. How speakers sound for music is far more important. I bought the Noesis with music on my mind, movies were an afterthought.

That's what I mean when I say the salks are the 2nd best speaker I've ever heard, I'm thinking about music not movies. I'm so glad it worked out for me that my favorite speaker I've ever heard for music also happens to be probably one of the best speakers possible for movies, if i had preferred the salks for music that would have been very bad... Not only would I have been putting the Noesis up for sale but then I would have had to deal with the fact that I would have limits for watching movies. I don't like having limits. smile.gif

That's why I probably better not hear thr ls 6's. I dodged a bullet this time, but maybe I shouldn't roll the dice again.

Oh whatever, I'd jump at the chance to hear the ls 6's.
post #6529 of 18452
Thanks Carp for expanding your thoughts on the Salks and T8's.
post #6530 of 18452
Thanks All. Yes, I am 99% Movie, with some occasional party-style music as background usage.
So, seems like I will be very happy with T8-LP (assume LP also sounds awesome compared to just regular T8). i do have a really good sub (the JTR OS-LF smile.gif), and yes, I like to run it hot...
I guess I will be talking to Jeff really soon to get those in place. Cheers!
post #6531 of 18452
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Thanks All. Yes, I am 99% Movie, with some occasional party-style music as background usage.
So, seems like I will be very happy with T8-LP (assume LP also sounds awesome compared to just regular T8). i do have a really good sub (the JTR OS-LF smile.gif), and yes, I like to run it hot...
I guess I will be talking to Jeff really soon to get those in place. Cheers!

I've got the 2012 T8-lps up front for a 100% movie room...,its pretty awesome.
post #6532 of 18452
Same here, 95% movies and games. I do listen to music but only once in while here and there...it is not my passion like it is for other folks.
post #6533 of 18452
In a room 12' x 15" it would be more difficult to tell the differences in the Triples. The bigger the room gets the more noticable any differences would be. The next part is properly trimming it into your system and using the best possible subwoofer for the situation. The last part is having enough time (at least 30 days) to get to know what to expect from the triples and how to play to thier strengths while staying away from any weaknesses. Demo sessions are nice but rarely is it the best situation for person listening to the demo. A person needs to take these speakers put them in thier own enviorment and do what they think is a proper setup. It does take a while to get everything together 100%. Demos get you the feel and a general expectation of what one can expect but pulling out the magic is up to the individual doing the setup/EQ. I expect peolple to be impressed with my sytem when they come to listen but I think they could pull what they feel to be better performance if my system was at thier house with them doing thier own set-up. A pair of OS's or Cap S2's would make it alot more difficult to distinguish between any of the three also. If someone does not want/need 125lbs speakers in thier HT room then the T8's are the obvious choice. Dont let all this Noesis excitement taint what a T8 is capable of.smile.gif
I felt/feel like my T12's were/are the best for me and then comes the Noesis. My T12's sound exactly the same if not better now that I have Dynamic EQ back on but just knowing the Noesis is out there leaves me with the feeling I am missing something.My wife says that I say NOESIS in my sleep like I am in pain.My T12's are the same great speakers they have always been its my grass is always greener thoughts that get in the way. Hopefully time will fix that.biggrin.gif

On another subject did I read that the Noesis were demoed this past weekend with the speaker levels at -12 and Audyssey turned off? If so that could have led to some songs sounding bright.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 1/7/13 at 6:30am
post #6534 of 18452
After reading these last few posts, I am starting to thinkg that the triple 12's might be enough for me. Since I am 100% movies, would I be utilizing the Noesis to their full potential?
post #6535 of 18452
-8 and no eq.


coach, for a heavy movie balance the triple 8s or 12s rock!
post #6536 of 18452
Has anybody compared the peformance of either the Triple 12's or Noesis to the Klipsch RF-7's and a RC-64? That would some information I would be interested in knowing.
post #6537 of 18452
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Has anybody compared the peformance of either the Triple 12's or Noesis to the Klipsch RF-7's and a RC-64? That would some information I would be interested in knowing.

I liked the T8 original and especially the new T8LP better than my Klipsch THX ultra 2 speakers(KL-650).
post #6538 of 18452
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I liked the T8 original and especially the new T8LP better than my Klipsch THX ultra 2 speakers(KL-650).

Good to see a former Klipsch owner chime in on the comparison.

Which JTR speakers do you have now?
post #6539 of 18452
The upper range will out-perform the rc-64's everytime, In my opinion. Those speakers are traditional Klipsch consumer sounding aka way too bright
post #6540 of 18452
The two options I am considering right now are:

3 x Triple12's

or

3 x Noesis

Since I am 100% movies, maybe the T12's will do the job..
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