Official JTR speaker thread - Page 221

I wish the Noesis came in an 8 inch version after talking to my buddy today... plus it would mean I could get them ASAP. lol

Yeah, I know ... hence the J/K

You and Gorilla83 are blazing new trails as far as LFE is concerned. Hope you are as happy with your setup as he is with his .

It kind of is what it is ...

As was mentioned the pro version (3AX) is an interesting option but uses a different CD and 10" drivers. Good news is it is a smaller form factor and less expensive. If you want the performance everyone who has heard the "Residential" Noesis is talking about then you are stuck with that size and cost.

The 3TX has same CD/Horn as residential 12" Noesis, but with 10"s. The 2AX has 10"s and a smaller CD/Horn. I have a pair of the 3TXs coming but will probably be a while. The new cabs apparently will be completely closed up and not have the CD exposed like the introduction photos. Great news is they are probably gonna be lighter than my current T8s

I guess I missed that original post.

Pardon my lack of knowledge here, but would the "PRO" line of his speakers work well for HT?

Sure....same CD/horn as Noesis. Xover will have to be slightly changed as the pro versions usually have the horn a dB or two hot since they are usually way above head compared to HT use. The pro version uses a really nice neo magnet 10" woofer.

Coach, if you go to the JTR web site there is a list of all the pro version of each speaker and a residential version of each speaker.

http://jtrspeakers.com/

Thanks for the correction (I knew that but just made a typo). Interesting re the 3AX now being enclosed. I thought the open back cabinet of the original was cool looking.

So you're saying Jeff is modifying the cross over on the Pro models to allow them to be used for HT? Begs the question why two different models if the main difference is the cross over ...

I would imaging the lighter cabinet of the pro models would be due to different thinner material and that might make them subject to more cabinet resonance issues.

Thanks.

Thanks. I saw them listed, but never thought to look at them because I figured the Pro version wouldn't do well for HT applications.

the xover for both the 2AX and 3TX prolly has the horn hot. The 3TX is a 3-way with bigger CD(same as your Noesis). The 2AX is a 2-way with smaller CD/Horn. Jeff is making changes to the xover for my pair of 3TXs to bring the horn back flat and not hot......... since I'll be using them for HT.

What are you guys setting the crossovers on the T12's and Noesis?

I just noticed that the price of these are the same as the Residential Noesis. Probably missed this so sorry about the question. Are you going with these due to the size and weight? Or is their another reason why?

Bingo. I've always had Jeff add inserts and all of my JTRs have been mounted on my tilt/swivel M&K stands. The 12HT or Noesis HT just too big and heavy.

I played with 50,60,70,and 80hz with the Triple12's and ended up at 80hz. Have been running the Noesis at 80hz from the get go.

Did you try 90,100,120 ever?

would anything above 100 becomes localized?
My sub is just behind me, so I set at 80Hz.. and even at that setting, I could sometimes locate it....

That would make sense then... Just wish the price was lower on those. Almost seems like it would be better to just go with the Residentials with the 12" woofer..as long as the size isn't an issue.

I run the t12 at 60 and the t8 at 80. For fun I turned off my S2 sub last night to see what it sounded like.... while it sounded clean and clear, it totally changes the HT/Gaming experience. The Sub was quickly turned back on

Where is that darn salk/JTR meet thread located?

Well there just isn't much cost difference. The cab is smaller with less wood but that's minor..... I'd be willing to bet that the new 10" neo woofers cost more than the 12s.

Here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3540#post_22800357

I believe it is located under an Iowa GTG thread that was already up and running..

You may be right about that. It's interesting that the Frequency +/- 3db of the 3TX is 80-24K while the 212 is 60-24K. Seems like more than just the top end is different.

You may be right about that. It's interesting that the Frequency +/- 3db of the 3TX is 80-24K while the 212 is 60-24K. Seems like more than just the top end is different.

Cabinet volume and xover design I'm sure. I'll bet those 10s can go lower with a different xover and different cabinet with more volume.....same for the 12s.

True but now we are talking about a whole nuther speaker. Maybe Jeff will make a full range floor stander one of these days.

In the meantime with the Noesis, he has made the best damn loudspeaker I have ever heard and they should be selling like hotcakes. Hopefully enough people will get to hear them or at least read the Iowa GTG Thread and realize these are much more that just high efficiency, high SPL boxes. They are Audiophile quality sound with really big cojones.

No I didn't (although I thought about it a few times). I mean, it's not like I need more of anything in my room. Seriously, it (the sound quality and quantity) is well beyond anything I could ever have imagined in a home theater.

I tried moving one of my subs around the room once and found I could locate the sub so much it was distracting. This was when crossed over at 80hz. I wonder what frequency localization stops. I think it's got to be significantly below 80hz. Maybe it has to do wth the steepness of the slope.

actually this is one of the reasons I ordered the Neosis ported version. I have an Empire right next to the couch and it is a little localized at 80hz but much less at 70hz so I am hoping the vented may allow a slightly lower XO. It may not work because it is not only dependant on speaker capability it is also placement in the room which will be virtually identical to my old sealed T12. Going to try anyway. By the way a dual opposed sub makes a great end table since the bass cancellation effect on the cabinet. A glass of water hardly shows any vibration at all even when cranked.