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post #6601 of 18328
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

the xover for both the 2AX and 3TX prolly has the horn hot. The 3TX is a 3-way with bigger CD(same as your Noesis). The 2AX is a 2-way with smaller CD/Horn. Jeff is making changes to the xover for my pair of 3TXs to bring the horn back flat and not hot......... since I'll be using them for HT.

I just noticed that the price of these are the same as the Residential Noesis. Probably missed this so sorry about the question. Are you going with these due to the size and weight? Or is their another reason why?
post #6602 of 18328
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I just noticed that the price of these are the same as the Residential Noesis. Probably missed this so sorry about the question. Are you going with these due to the size and weight? Or is their another reason why?


Bingo. I've always had Jeff add inserts and all of my JTRs have been mounted on my tilt/swivel M&K stands. The 12HT or Noesis HT just too big and heavy. wink.gif
post #6603 of 18328
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

What are you guys setting the crossovers on the T12's and Noesis?

I played with 50,60,70,and 80hz with the Triple12's and ended up at 80hz. Have been running the Noesis at 80hz from the get go.
post #6604 of 18328
Did you try 90,100,120 ever?
post #6605 of 18328
would anything above 100 becomes localized?
My sub is just behind me, so I set at 80Hz.. and even at that setting, I could sometimes locate it....
post #6606 of 18328
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Bingo. I've always had Jeff add inserts and all of my JTRs have been mounted on my tilt/swivel M&K stands. The 12HT or Noesis HT just too big and heavy. wink.gif

That would make sense then... Just wish the price was lower on those. Almost seems like it would be better to just go with the Residentials with the 12" woofer..as long as the size isn't an issue.
post #6607 of 18328
I run the t12 at 60 and the t8 at 80. For fun I turned off my S2 sub last night to see what it sounded like.... while it sounded clean and clear, it totally changes the HT/Gaming experience. The Sub was quickly turned back on smile.gif
post #6608 of 18328
Where is that darn salk/JTR meet thread located?
post #6609 of 18328
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

That would make sense then... Just wish the price was lower on those. Almost seems like it would be better to just go with the Residentials with the 12" woofer..as long as the size isn't an issue.


Well there just isn't much cost difference. The cab is smaller with less wood but that's minor..... I'd be willing to bet that the new 10" neo woofers cost more than the 12s.
post #6610 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Where is that darn salk/JTR meet thread located?

Here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3540#post_22800357
post #6611 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Where is that darn salk/JTR meet thread located?

I believe it is located under an Iowa GTG thread that was already up and running..
post #6612 of 18328
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Well there just isn't much cost difference. The cab is smaller with less wood but that's minor..... I'd be willing to bet that the new 10" neo woofers cost more than the 12s.

You may be right about that. It's interesting that the Frequency +/- 3db of the 3TX is 80-24K while the 212 is 60-24K. Seems like more than just the top end is different.
post #6613 of 18328
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Well there just isn't much cost difference. The cab is smaller with less wood but that's minor..... I'd be willing to bet that the new 10" neo woofers cost more than the 12s.

You may be right about that. It's interesting that the Frequency +/- 3db of the 3TX is 80-24K while the 212 is 60-24K. Seems like more than just the top end is different.
post #6614 of 18328
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

You may be right about that. It's interesting that the Frequency +/- 3db of the 3TX is 80-24K while the 212 is 60-24K. Seems like more than just the top end is different.


Cabinet volume and xover design I'm sure. I'll bet those 10s can go lower with a different xover and different cabinet with more volume.....same for the 12s.
post #6615 of 18328
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Cabinet volume and xover design I'm sure. I'll bet those 10s can go lower with a different xover and different cabinet with more volume.....same for the 12s.

True but now we are talking about a whole nuther speaker. Maybe Jeff will make a full range floor stander one of these days.

In the meantime with the Noesis, he has made the best damn loudspeaker I have ever heard and they should be selling like hotcakes. Hopefully enough people will get to hear them or at least read the Iowa GTG Thread and realize these are much more that just high efficiency, high SPL boxes. They are Audiophile quality sound with really big cojones. cool.gif
post #6616 of 18328
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Did you try 90,100,120 ever?

No I didn't (although I thought about it a few times). I mean, it's not like I need more of anything in my room. Seriously, it (the sound quality and quantity) is well beyond anything I could ever have imagined in a home theater.
post #6617 of 18328
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

would anything above 100 becomes localized?
My sub is just behind me, so I set at 80Hz.. and even at that setting, I could sometimes locate it....

I tried moving one of my subs around the room once and found I could locate the sub so much it was distracting. This was when crossed over at 80hz. I wonder what frequency localization stops. I think it's got to be significantly below 80hz. Maybe it has to do wth the steepness of the slope.
post #6618 of 18328
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

I tried moving one of my subs around the room once and found I could locate the sub so much it was distracting. This was when crossed over at 80hz. I wonder what frequency localization stops. I think it's got to be significantly below 80hz. Maybe it has to do wth the steepness of the slope.

actually this is one of the reasons I ordered the Neosis ported version. I have an Empire right next to the couch and it is a little localized at 80hz but much less at 70hz so I am hoping the vented may allow a slightly lower XO. It may not work because it is not only dependant on speaker capability it is also placement in the room which will be virtually identical to my old sealed T12. Going to try anyway. By the way a dual opposed sub makes a great end table since the bass cancellation effect on the cabinet. A glass of water hardly shows any vibration at all even when cranked.
post #6619 of 18328
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

True but now we are talking about a whole nuther speaker. Maybe Jeff will make a full range floor stander one of these days.
In the meantime with the Noesis, he has made the best damn loudspeaker I have ever heard and they should be selling like hotcakes. Hopefully enough people will get to hear them or at least read the Iowa GTG Thread and realize these are much more that just high efficiency, high SPL boxes. They are Audiophile quality sound with really big cojones. cool.gif

very true. there is quite a lot of discussion about Neosis freq range here and on the IA meet thread. I think driver selection (cost), size, ported/sealed and sensitivity requirements to keep up with the rest of the speaker are all factors to be considered. I remember looking at the pro versions in the past they were almost always higher rated for higher F3 point vs their HT counterpart. probably to get higher ultimate SPL, plus the pro subs are for music so they go higher in freq for XO and sign off sooner on the low end too. Sorry if all of this is way too obvious but I wasn't sure b/c much discussion about why they don't go lower or how you would make them go lower. I think the JTR HT stuff has hit the sweet spot with quality build, sensitvity, sound quality and versatility.
post #6620 of 18328
I just emailed Jeff about the T8-LP smile.gif
Someone mentioned i can text him as well? Can someone PM with the info?

Thanks!
post #6621 of 18328
He must be pretty busy because I have emailed, called and text him with zero response back. Hopefully I will hear from him tomorrow.
post #6622 of 18328
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

very true. there is quite a lot of discussion about Neosis freq range here and on the IA meet thread. I think driver selection (cost), size, ported/sealed and sensitivity requirements to keep up with the rest of the speaker are all factors to be considered. I remember looking at the pro versions in the past they were almost always higher rated for higher F3 point vs their HT counterpart. probably to get higher ultimate SPL, plus the pro subs are for music so they go higher in freq for XO and sign off sooner on the low end too. Sorry if all of this is way too obvious but I wasn't sure b/c much discussion about why they don't go lower or how you would make them go lower. I think the JTR HT stuff has hit the sweet spot with quality build, sensitvity, sound quality and versatility.

All great points and clearly not obvious to all ... thanks smile.gif
post #6623 of 18328
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

He must be pretty busy because I have emailed, called and text him with zero response back. Hopefully I will hear from him tomorrow.


Contacting Jeff is a PITA as he is usually in his shop building or out at the cabinet shop programming new CNC concepts ...

He actually isn't very good at marketing and that's a good thing for those who buy from him cause if he was a better marketeer, he be selling his products for a lot more ... wink.gif
post #6624 of 18328
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Contacting Jeff is a PITA as he is usually in his shop building or out at the cabinet shop programming new CNC concepts ...
He actually isn't very good at marketing and that's a good thing for those who buy from him cause if he was a better marketeer, he be selling his products for a lot more ... wink.gif

Ahh... and here I am thinking I was the only one he's ignoring.. hehe... well, so long as I am getting my speakers, all's good...
post #6625 of 18328
When I ordered my Noesis Jeff told me that the week before he worked 9 am to 12 pm for 4 days straight. That's a good sign for business, but I hope he doesn't burn himself out.
post #6626 of 18328
Haha, make that 12 am.
post #6627 of 18328
LOL, 3 hours of work sounds pretty good to me. 15 hours.... not so much.
post #6628 of 18328
I must be lucky, as he reply back to me tonight. I am likely to place an order soon... Excited!!
post #6629 of 18328
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

When I ordered my Noesis Jeff told me that the week before he worked 9 am to 12 pm for 4 days straight. That's a good sign for business, but I hope he doesn't burn himself out.

I would hate to have him burn out!! I have my eyes set on the Noesis for a dedicated room build. All these people raving about em...gotta hear this for myself
post #6630 of 18328
Jeff responded to my email last night as well.... Now I have to decide when to pull the trigger. Probably will still wait until I hear a demo. biggrin.gif
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