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post #6631 of 18554
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

When I ordered my Noesis Jeff told me that the week before he worked 9 am to 12 pm for 4 days straight. That's a good sign for business, but I hope he doesn't burn himself out.

Although I'm sure those hours were a little rugged, it's not really work when you love what you do. He is actually very fortunate and he knows it. smile.gif
post #6632 of 18554
I have to say my NAD M25 amp use to get pretty darn hot after a few hours of driving my Thiel speakers in my old set-up. It barely breaks a sweat now with the high sensitivity JTR speakers. I watched Dredd (great flick for you bass heads out there...actually a way better movie then I was expecting overall) and touched the NAD amp afterwards and it was warm at best.
post #6633 of 18554
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I have to say my NAD M25 amp use to get pretty darn hot after a few hours of driving my Thiel speakers in my old set-up. It barely breaks a sweat now with the high sensitivity JTR speakers. I watched Dredd (great flick for you bass heads out there...actually a way better movie then I was expecting overall) and touched the NAD amp afterwards and it was warm at best.

That is a good thing to hear. I have a Sunfire TGA7401 and it runs very cool with Klipsch setup. Hoping for the same with the JTR speakers.

I am looking forward to Dredd myself.
post #6634 of 18554
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Although I'm sure those hours were a little rugged, it's not really work when you love what you do. He is actually very fortunate and he knows it. smile.gif
You got that right. My job sucks so bad (not so much the job but dealing with people) that I spend it dreaming about building speakers.smile.gif What makes things worse is I have to remember to be thankful that I have a job.wink.gif
Being thankful for something I do not like is just the way life is.biggrin.gif
Chris
post #6635 of 18554
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

You got that right. My job sucks so bad (not so much the job but dealing with people) that I spend it dreaming about building speakers.smile.gif What makes things worse is I have to remember to be thankful that I have a job.wink.gif
Being thankful for something I do not like is just the way life is.biggrin.gif
Chris

Chris, you can always try doing what you like part time. Like building speakers and sell them. Then once your 'hobby business' takes off, you can then quit your day job.
post #6636 of 18554
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

You got that right. My job sucks so bad (not so much the job but dealing with people) that I spend it dreaming about building speakers.smile.gif What makes things worse is I have to remember to be thankful that I have a job.wink.gif
Being thankful for something I do not like is just the way life is.biggrin.gif
Chris

I love my family and enjoy my hobbies (HT, golf, Buckeye Football). I work to live...not live to work. I have it pretty good so no room for complaints on my side but like everyone else, I put in a lot of hours to get ahead in life.
post #6637 of 18554
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Chris, you can always try doing what you like part time. Like building speakers and sell them. Then once your 'hobby business' takes off, you can then quit your day job.
I appreciate the optimism I really do.smile.gif I am locked into the family business so too many people that I love are depending on me not to take my own path which I am cool with. Hopefully one day my job title will be "boss".
On the flipside I have all the space and tools needed to build while working but unless the speaker market calls for someone with half ass skills making half ass speakers I will be better keeping the day job. wink.gif
I am under the impression that most do not enjoy thier work but for the ones that do Awesome b/c that is the Dream. smile.gif
Chris
post #6638 of 18554
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I appreciate the optimism I really do.smile.gif I am locked into the family business so too many people that I love are depending on me not to take my own path which I am cool with. Hopefully one day my job title will be "boss".
On the flipside I have all the space and tools needed to build while working but unless the speaker market calls for someone with half ass skills making half ass speakers I will be better keeping the day job. wink.gif
I am under the impression that most do not enjoy thier work but for the ones that do Awesome b/c that is the Dream. smile.gif
Chris

I have been very lucky in the fact that my hobby (selling fitness equipment, not speakers) is becoming lucrative enough that I will eventually be able to quit my day job, which is not really a bad job either.

Here is hoping that as you move up the ladder, you get to do more of what you like and less of what you don't at work.
post #6639 of 18554
Although it may not seem like it at times, this is still the land of opportunities. Just ask an immigrant if life in the good old USA is better....

I have been with the same company for over 30 years. Pretty unusual out here in Silicon Valley (headhunters called me a tree hugger tongue.gif). The Outliers book (good read BTW) describes the magic number of 10,000 hours of dedicated practice to get really good at something. I past that number many years ago.

The point is, carefully pick what you want to do and then dedicate yourself to becoming really good at it. That is it's own reward ...

Now, back to JTR speaker talk?wink.gif
post #6640 of 18554
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

That is a good thing to hear. I have a Sunfire TGA7401 and it runs very cool with Klipsch setup. Hoping for the same with the JTR speakers.
I am looking forward to Dredd myself.

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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I have to say my NAD M25 amp use to get pretty darn hot after a few hours of driving my Thiel speakers in my old set-up. It barely breaks a sweat now with the high sensitivity JTR speakers. I watched Dredd (great flick for you bass heads out there...actually a way better movie then I was expecting overall) and touched the NAD amp afterwards and it was warm at best.

Yep, it will be the same Coach. These JTR's at 101dB sensitivity for the T-12's mean they can operate at reference off a measly 4 watts at one meter, so assume about 32 watts at your LP.

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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I appreciate the optimism I really do.smile.gif I am locked into the family business so too many people that I love are depending on me not to take my own path which I am cool with. Hopefully one day my job title will be "boss".
On the flipside I have all the space and tools needed to build while working but unless the speaker market calls for someone with half ass skills making half ass speakers I will be better keeping the day job. wink.gif
I am under the impression that most do not enjoy thier work but for the ones that do Awesome b/c that is the Dream. smile.gif
Chris

I absolutely love my job, and it is the family business (basically). I too hope that one day you will have put in your time working hard that you will find a spot in the biz where you don't dread coming into work each day...That is not a good existence for anyone.
post #6641 of 18554
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Although it may not seem like it at times, this is still the land of opportunities. Just ask an immigrant if life in the good old USA is better....
I have been with the same company for over 30 years. Pretty unusual out here in Silicon Valley (headhunters called me a tree hugger tongue.gif). The Outliers book (good read BTW) describes the magic number of 10,000 hours of dedicated practice to get really good at something. I past that number many years ago.
The point is, carefully pick what you want to do and then dedicate yourself to becoming really good at it. That is it's own reward ...
Now, back to JTR speaker talk?wink.gif
I agree wholeheartedly the USA is the land of opportunities. I am proud to be American and loyal to the end.
We also get great deals on all JTR equipment shipped straight to the front door.
Just think what out of continent or overseas JTR customers have to pay with the shipping and the rough treatment that comes with
out of country shipping.
Chris
post #6642 of 18554
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Jeff responded to my email last night as well.... Now I have to decide when to pull the trigger. Probably will still wait until I hear a demo. biggrin.gif

Coach,
If you're still planning on coming up to Cincinnati in a couple weeks to check out Frolich's setup, you're welcome to listen to my system as well. I'm just outside of Cincy in northern KY. I have 3 - 2011 Triple 8's for my LCR's and a Submersive HP sub. Shoot me a PM if you want to set something up.
post #6643 of 18554
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

Coach,
If you're still planning on coming up to Cincinnati in a couple weeks to check out Frolich's setup, you're welcome to listen to my system as well. I'm just outside of Cincy in northern KY. I have 3 - 2011 Triple 8's for my LCR's and a Submersive HP sub. Shoot me a PM if you want to set something up.

That sounds great because I am also considering those as a possiblity. Plus I have been dying to hear the Submersive sub.
post #6644 of 18554
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

The Outliers book (good read BTW) describes the magic number of 10,000 hours of dedicated practice to get really good at something. I past that number many years ago.

I am a part time triathlete / ironman, and I can definitely attest to the 10,000 hours. For instance, to be the best in any sports, you need to put in a minimum of 10,000 hours, for all the capillaries to grow so you can have a higher VO2Max, etc.

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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


I appreciate the optimism I really do.smile.gif I am locked into the family business so too many people that I love are depending on me not to take my own path which I am cool with. Hopefully one day my job title will be "boss".
On the flipside I have all the space and tools needed to build while working but unless the speaker market calls for someone with half ass skills making half ass speakers I will be better keeping the day job. wink.gif
I am under the impression that most do not enjoy thier work but for the ones that do Awesome b/c that is the Dream. smile.gif
Chris

Go get building.. haha

I believe that if you like what you do (in this case building speakers), you'll eventually become very good at it... and putting in the hours to get there would be just like indulging in your hobby (not work).
post #6645 of 18554
CoolGeek
Thanks for the motivation. I am really looking forward to waching/reading Beast 's and Carp's Dual opposed 18" subwoofer builds. I even read over on the DIY threads that thier will be precut flat packs available. Once I see how they do it I am in. I plan on building the boxes first just to make sure I can put something together that that looks "Handmade and Not Homemade." That should be hardest part and take the most time. If that turns out good then the rest will fall in line.smile.gif
The LG clone amp that has been discussed and is being used with this subwoofer design, would it work well on the T12's and the Noesis? Since I have not seen it mentioned I am curious to what to expect if I used it.
I have been researching putting the parts together to build a speaker like the Noesis but what I find is that Jeff still has the best price. Same goes with the Cap S2. That amp cost $1300. alone. put that together with 2 high quality 18" drivers and once again it shows me just what an incredible price Jeff has on his products. He can do it better and cheaper (less $$$) than I can. Better is expected but for less money is surprising.
Thanks
Chris
post #6646 of 18554
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

CoolGeek
Thanks for the motivation. I am really looking forward to waching/reading Beast 's and Carp's Dual opposed 18" subwoofer builds. I even read over on the DIY threads that thier will be precut flat packs available. Once I see how they do it I am in. I plan on building the boxes first just to make sure I can put something together that that looks "Handmade and Not Homemade." That should be hardest part and take the most time. If that turns out good then the rest will fall in line.smile.gif
The LG clone amp that has been discussed and is being used with this subwoofer design, would it work well on the T12's and the Noesis? Since I have not seen it mentioned I am curious to what to expect if I used it.
I have been researching putting the parts together to build a speaker like the Noesis but what I find is that Jeff still has the best price. Same goes with the Cap S2. That amp cost $1300. alone. put that together with 2 high quality 18" drivers and once again it shows me just what an incredible price Jeff has on his products. He can do it better and cheaper (less $$$) than I can. Better is expected but for less money is surprising.
Thanks
Chris

I only mentioned it because I did the same after I graduated. I was hired by Motorola right out of college (Iowa State U). But while I was working there, I worked part time on my own business and within 13 months, I was totally on my own (the business took off). I have never looked back.

There are many parents in my country that forces their kids to study what they 'think' is economically good for them, but without realizing that if their kids don't like what they do, they'll never excel in life. Case in point, thousands of graduates in computer science today can't do the slightest bit of programming (they studied it because it's the IN thing, not because they have the aptitude or love of computer science, which is after all a very tough subject). You can replace 'computer science' with other 'subjects' that parents push onto their kids...

Anyways, I digress.

As for speakers, just trust that if you love doing it, you'll find a way to make it... even if you don't make a dime out of it, it'll still be satisfying. May I suggest something? Don't try to emulate JTR. JTR has found their 'niche'. That's why Jeff is so successful. He worked on something for a long time, and people took notice... and he make it his own... and he has a following. Now, you will also find your own 'niche'... it could be any 'other' kind of speakers. Maybe a more expensive line? Maybe a cheaper one? Maybe budget, but sounds astounding??? Maybe it's the design? Maybe it's colorful and women like it? But you'll get there... In the end, if you love it, you'll be successful.. that's my core belief system.
post #6647 of 18554
I need one 2010 12ht flat black to go with my others if anyone has one laying around. I have a coated 2009 8ht i need to sell. pm me on either. thanks!
post #6648 of 18554
I posted this last week but wanted to throw it out here again for anybody that might have missed it....

Does anybody have a JTR setup, preferably the Noesis, that lives within 3-5 hours of Knoxville Tennessee? I am getting close to pulling the trigger on a set, but wanted to get a demo before I did. Right now, I have some two very gracious forum members who have offered to let me demo their systems that I plan on doing in the next couple of weeks. Those systems are built around the T12's and T8's..

Thanks again.
post #6649 of 18554
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I posted this last week but wanted to throw it out here again for anybody that might have missed it....

Does anybody have a JTR setup, preferably the Noesis, that lives within 3-5 hours of Knoxville Tennessee? I am getting close to pulling the trigger on a set, but wanted to get a demo before I did. Right now, I have some two very gracious forum members who have offered to let me demo their systems that I plan on doing in the next couple of weeks. Those systems are built around the T12's and T8's..

Thanks again.

Why don't you ask Jeff to ship you the Noesis demo pair? If you are a serious potential buyer I'm sure he would at least consider it. Even if you pay shipping it would still be less expensive than making the long drive plus you would have more time with them.

The more you listen, the better they sound... smile.gif
post #6650 of 18554
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Why don't you ask Jeff to ship you the Noesis demo pair? If you are a serious potential buyer I'm sure he would at least consider it. Even if you pay shipping it would still be less expensive than making the long drive plus you would have more time with them.

The more you listen, the better they sound... smile.gif

He has been VERY quick to reply to my emails. I just sent him an email with a few more questions, including asking him about doing that. It would be great to get three of them so I could do a LCR comparison, but two would be very cool and much appreciated.
post #6651 of 18554
I know that this is probably comparing apples to oranges but would anyone have any insight at how some JTR Triple 12's or Triple 8ht's as LCRs would compare to a set of Ascend Acoustics Sierra towers with the new matching centre channel speaker? I'm looking to upgrade the front sound stage in my theater room. The Triple 12s would be at the top of my budget, and if I was going to go with the Sierras I would most likely go with the RAAL ribbon tweeter upgrade. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
post #6652 of 18554
Too bad you don't live closer, I love giving demo's.

That's the best idea by far though, seeing how they sound in your room.
post #6653 of 18554
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I know that this is probably comparing apples to oranges but would anyone have any insight at how some JTR Triple 12's or Triple 8ht's as LCRs would compare to a set of Ascend Acoustics Sierra towers with the new matching centre channel speaker? I'm looking to upgrade the front sound stage in my theater room. The Triple 12s would be at the top of my budget, and if I was going to go with the Sierras I would most likely go with the RAAL ribbon tweeter upgrade. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I remember reading that Ascends are supposed to be comparable to Axioms. If that's the case then the JTR's will destroy the Ascends both for movies and music. I can say that as a former Axiom owner and current JTR owner.

Now, if it's not true that Ascend is similar to Axiom then scratch what I said.
post #6654 of 18554
I'm pretty sure the Sierra towers are a step up over Axion towers at least from what I've read.
post #6655 of 18554
Oh ok, nevermind then.
post #6656 of 18554
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


I appreciate the optimism I really do.smile.gif I am locked into the family business so too many people that I love are depending on me not to take my own path which I am cool with. Hopefully one day my job title will be "boss".
On the flipside I have all the space and tools needed to build while working but unless the speaker market calls for someone with half ass skills making half ass speakers I will be better keeping the day job. wink.gif
I am under the impression that most do not enjoy thier work but for the ones that do Awesome b/c that is the Dream. smile.gif
Chris

I enjoy my work, but I put in hours that would make most people cringe. smile.gif

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Good news is, when I am on AVS, I am working. smile.gif
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post #6657 of 18554
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I'm pretty sure the Sierra towers are a step up over Axion towers at least from what I've read.

I would certainly hope so. I bought a set of Axioms (M80's and that horrible dual tweeter CC) and hated them. I got them for very cheap and immediately sold them to a coworker with a tin ear who is still happily using them in his HT. It's that every jar has a lid thing ... tongue.gif

But seriously, that RAAL tweeter is supposed to be something special for music and I would imagine the Sierra Towers would sound very nice thusly equipped. For Home Theater, the Triple 12's are hard to beat. YMMV wink.gif
post #6658 of 18554
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I would certainly hope so. I bought a set of Axioms (M80's and that horrible dual tweeter CC) and hated them. I got them for very cheap and immediately sold them to a coworker with a tin ear who is still happily using them in his HT. It's that every jar has a lid thing ... tongue.gif

But seriously, that RAAL tweeter is supposed to be something special for music and I would imagine the Sierra Towers would sound very nice thusly equipped. For Home Theater, the Triple 12's are hard to beat. YMMV wink.gif

And what about the Triple 8s?
post #6659 of 18554
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I'm pretty sure the Sierra towers are a step up over Axion towers at least from what I've read.
Compare them to the Salk SuperCharged Song tower. So look at this past weekends GTG.
The Noesis is a level above the T12's and the Salks HT2 Is a level above the SCST.
SCST is very comparable to the Ascend Towers w/RAAL upgrade.
Chris
post #6660 of 18554
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I would certainly hope so. I bought a set of Axioms (M80's and that horrible dual tweeter CC) and hated them. I got them for very cheap and immediately sold them to a coworker with a tin ear who is still happily using them in his HT. It's that every jar has a lid thing ... tongue.gif

But seriously, that RAAL tweeter is supposed to be something special for music and I would imagine the Sierra Towers would sound very nice thusly equipped. For Home Theater, the Triple 12's are hard to beat. YMMV wink.gif

Yeah, I had the m60, 150 center channel, and other axioms for surrounds for five years. My budget was a lot tighter back then, but good god why did I have those speakers for so long...

Probably because I was coming from Cerwin Vega (bought the Axioms in like 2003 or 2004) and didn't know any better. I guess I thought that's how music was supposed to sound since I read about how great they were. Idiot. I'd sit there for hours trying to tweak the sound with tone controls and eq to get those speakers to sound how I wanted and they never did do it for me. Thank god one day I walked in a KC audio store and heard some Magnepans.
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