Official JTR speaker thread - Page 223

Why don't you ask Jeff to ship you the Noesis demo pair? If you are a serious potential buyer I'm sure he would at least consider it. Even if you pay shipping it would still be less expensive than making the long drive plus you would have more time with them.

The more you listen, the better they sound...

He has been VERY quick to reply to my emails. I just sent him an email with a few more questions, including asking him about doing that. It would be great to get three of them so I could do a LCR comparison, but two would be very cool and much appreciated.

I know that this is probably comparing apples to oranges but would anyone have any insight at how some JTR Triple 12's or Triple 8ht's as LCRs would compare to a set of Ascend Acoustics Sierra towers with the new matching centre channel speaker? I'm looking to upgrade the front sound stage in my theater room. The Triple 12s would be at the top of my budget, and if I was going to go with the Sierras I would most likely go with the RAAL ribbon tweeter upgrade. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Too bad you don't live closer, I love giving demo's.

That's the best idea by far though, seeing how they sound in your room.

I remember reading that Ascends are supposed to be comparable to Axioms. If that's the case then the JTR's will destroy the Ascends both for movies and music. I can say that as a former Axiom owner and current JTR owner.

Now, if it's not true that Ascend is similar to Axiom then scratch what I said.

I'm pretty sure the Sierra towers are a step up over Axion towers at least from what I've read.

Oh ok, nevermind then.

I would certainly hope so. I bought a set of Axioms (M80's and that horrible dual tweeter CC) and hated them. I got them for very cheap and immediately sold them to a coworker with a tin ear who is still happily using them in his HT. It's that every jar has a lid thing ...

But seriously, that RAAL tweeter is supposed to be something special for music and I would imagine the Sierra Towers would sound very nice thusly equipped. For Home Theater, the Triple 12's are hard to beat. YMMV

And what about the Triple 8s?

Compare them to the Salk SuperCharged Song tower. So look at this past weekends GTG.
The Noesis is a level above the T12's and the Salks HT2 Is a level above the SCST.
SCST is very comparable to the Ascend Towers w/RAAL upgrade.
Chris

Yeah, I had the m60, 150 center channel, and other axioms for surrounds for five years. My budget was a lot tighter back then, but good god why did I have those speakers for so long...

Probably because I was coming from Cerwin Vega (bought the Axioms in like 2003 or 2004) and didn't know any better. I guess I thought that's how music was supposed to sound since I read about how great they were. Idiot. I'd sit there for hours trying to tweak the sound with tone controls and eq to get those speakers to sound how I wanted and they never did do it for me. Thank god one day I walked in a KC audio store and heard some Magnepans.

If you're watching mostly movies go with the JTR's, hands down. The Ascend's and Salk's can't hang with the JTR's at loud(ish) levels for movies IMO. Design trade-offs... This is coming from a declared Salk fanboy and someone who's also heard the Sierra Tower's in comparison at loud(ish) levels.

Nuance, are you talking about the Triple 12s or Triple 8s, or both?

The Triple 8 is very similar to the Triple 12 but with less mid-bass. If you have a good subwoofer setup either will work very nicely for HT.

Hmm that's interesting then. I preferred the Noesis to the Salks HT2, but I'm not sure I would have preferred the 888's to them. I thought the 888's were great and for movies they really shine but for music... I'd have to give it to the Salks. So, if the Ascends are real close to the Salks I heard I'd take the 888's for movies and the Ascends for music.

That's kind of ridiculous though, that's like saying since the Chiefs beat the Saints and the Saints beat the Falcons, that must mean the Chiefs are better than the Falcons.

That's about when I bought that Axiom set. I bought them from some poor schlub who had bought them new and was anxious to get rid of them. I was skeptical about them so had the guy at work teed up as a just in case. In hindsight they were Ok considering the price we paid... ( $500 for the LCR plus two surrounds)

Working long hours crusing AVS forums.. you should talk to Country WV about his DREAM JOB he was looking for yesterday

I started out with the M60, VP-150 and QS-8's back in 2002.... Came from some Polks at that point. Ended up upgrading to the VP-180 and M80's and eventually sold them off in 2011. Now I have my Klipsch and want to find that "WOW" speaker that will keep me happy for many, many years to come. Plus I need to get my upgrades out of the way before my wife gets baby fever... Being 34 and she is 29, I know it will be coming so;)on..

Both. The Ascend and Salk's are not a high efficiency design and thus aren't capable of the output you'll get with the JTR's. If you watch movies and like it loud then I think the JTR's are the best choice. If you listen to as much music as movies then you really need to listen and decide which you prefer. But, if you like music really loud then the JTR's are probably the best bet. It will depend on what the individual places the most importance on, and if it is dynamics then the JTR's will win every time due to their dynamic design. I don't listen to music super loud, and I cross to subs, so the Salk or Ascends go plenty loud for me. To each their own!

By the way, the Axioms are terrible IMO, but YMMV.
Edited by Nuance - 1/10/13 at 12:34pm

I typically watch movies around -15 sometimes -10. My theater is only 2100cubic/ft so anything over that gets really loud. So at those listening levels you'd still JTRs would be better for HT use? Also I have dual Power Sound Audio XS30 subs so I think I'd most likely go with Triple 8s over the 12s.

The Salks or Ascends would be plenty for me in a space that size and at those listening levels, but only you know if they'd be enough for you. You really should audition before you buy.

I live north of the 49th parallel so as much as I'd love to audition both in my room I think I'll just have to read as much as possible and make a decision based on that and feed back from you guys.

Understandable. For primarily HT I'd go with the JTR's, but for music my preference would be the Salk's or the Ascends over the Triple 8 or 12. Now if you're talking about the Noesis that's a different story, as it is much better at handling both music and movies based on the design and on what I've read.

Happy hunting.

I think whay it is saying is that JTR, Salk, and Ascend Acoustics are at the top of thier game in specific designs with an intended purpose. There is no wrong choices just different goals.
I do have to say the T12's are the sh-t. Listening to them makes me feel like I am talking to a girl thats completely out of my league.
Chris

^ Exactly this!

Haha, I got a chuckle out of this because that's a great way to describe how I feel with the Noesis. I still can't believe I own these speakers!!


BTW, I did not want to imply that ANY of the discussed speakers compare to my lowly Chiefs haha.... ugh, it's really not funny, I found myself watching and rooting for the godda*n Broncos this year because of Payton Manning and because there is no reason to root against the Broncos liike I usually do since the Chiefs are so horrible.

I got a chuckle out of that too...

Somebody in one of the forums made a comment about the Noesis about how they made their system achieve the "mini Imax" theater feel they were searching for.... I am hoping for the same effect, but I realize that I might not get there 100% by just adding the Noesis. It might include an upgrade of my subs at some point but for now, I am very happy with dual VTF-15'S..

When you guys mention the Noesis speakers are you talking about the 3TX or 2AX? Those are the only two I see on the JTR website.