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post #6751 of 8253
1/11/13 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Interesting scenario I am considering....

1. Pick up three of the T8's that a forum member is selling used. Then use the extra money I saved to add room treatments to my room and possibly a third sub.

2. Go all in and get three of the Noesis speakers and wait on the room treatments...

Still need to listen to JTR speakers before any decision is made.

Just want to make sure that I get the setup that will give me a significant increase in dynamics and performance...

I have turned into "that guy" who is annoying in threads...haven't I?

I agree with what most is saying. Go with the Noesis. I understand that even a semi good speaker with room treatment will outperform a world class speaker without. However, let's say you bought the T8, then treated your room. Now what? You'll still be wondering how much better the Noesis would be. And then you'll have to sell your T8, and buy the Noesis, with a significant loss. Might as well, just get the Noesis, then when you save up for room treatment, you'll then have all you need.

BTW: Even simple room treatments can improve the sound significantly. You can DIY that part, example, buy some acoustic panels on the cheap, until you can afford an all out room treatment plan.

Just an example from this Audio guy who sells home theater equipment. He was telling me that $300 worth of acoustic panels that he installs for his clients would yield so much more benefits than upgrading 'wires, amps, speakers, etc, etc'. The 'wire' part especially, when people are spending over $1000 bucks on them... I personally think they are a waste of money.
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post #6752 of 8253
1/11/13 at 7:54pm
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Ok Carp. That's the last fricken song I thought you would say was "unbelievable". It's a far cry from Opeth and dream theater. You ok? Not feeling well...a little depressed that you had to go back to work? :-)

Haha, yeah but I had it cranked so loud... I'm telling you it sounded amazing over here. I felt like those guys were in the room right in front of me, waves of bass, man it was great. I'm going to demo it for Kevin and Jonathan tomorrow and see if it's just me.... smile.gif
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post #6753 of 8253
1/11/13 at 7:56pm
And yes, I'm a bit depressed about having to go back to work. Jonathan just invited me to go out and play and I'm too old and tired. frown.gif
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post #6754 of 8253
1/11/13 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

That's surprising to me, anything that I play from my iPhone whether is from iTunes or a ripped CD always sounds pretty crappy. If I want to listen to music I find myself heading to the basement to find the box full of old CD's.

Any tricks for getting it to sound so good from iTunes?

I play everything off my computer that is connected to my receiver. I've A/B'd higher bit rate mp3's and cd's and I can't tell if there is a difference or if I just think there is. I have a lot of FLAC files too, and dvd audio disks, the dvd audio stuff sounds better but that is really dependent on the individual disk.
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post #6755 of 8253
1/11/13 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Biggest improvement would be the T8's and room treatments, An average speaker in a really good room will beat a fantastic speaker in a crappy room, every time. Still something to be said for taking the slow route and getting what you want a few pieces at a time. smile.gif

I guess maybe I've never been in a room that is treated correctly. I had 6 GIK 242 panels in here once upon a time, and I prefer the sound without. I kept the tri traps for the front corners, but I thought the room sounded too dead with the 6 panels. Now, that was when I had Magnepan speakers, so who knows with the Noesis.

I don't know... I thought the Noesis sounded amazing in the park, in my room, in Jonathan's room, in David's room.... I don't know if I believe that the room is more important than the speaker. Sometime I'm going to have Luke Kamp bring over some of his treatments and see if I like it better. It's hard to imagine it can get much better than it is now.


Ok, enough posting already. Time to sleep.
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post #6756 of 8253
1/11/13 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Coach, we need guys like you on this thread to balance out the impulsive jump right in without thinking guys like me. smile.gif

I also find that other people's journey helps out in making my decisions. You're helping people out and not even realizing it.
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post #6757 of 8253
1/11/13 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I will just throw in I have also had really good luck with acoustimac. Good value and independent testing.

agreed, I was dead between them and ATS, just liked ATS since they built me custom panels...

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Side note, I just signed up for direct tv. Never had it before, always cable. I've heard I'll see improvement since some of the channels are 1080p, that would be very nice tv looks great already.

agreed here too. I will never go back to cable.

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Last night I was of course listening to music as usual, and I played one of my wife's recent purchases from itunes. The group is called il Divo and the song was a remake of Chris Isaac's Wicked Game. These guys are opera style singers, so obviously not my cup of tea, but I heard it before when she first bought it an noticed how good it sounded on the Noesis. Well, last night I cranked up that song and it was un-frickin-believable how good it sounded. I had chills (most I've ever had listening to music at home), goose bumps, and was laughing to myself all at the same time. Pure audio bliss with a style of music that I don't even like. smile.gif

Anyone that has Spotify, you should check it out especially if you have Noesis - David your Salks would love this one too.


Coach, you gotta go all the way and get the Noesis. I agree with dlbeck, you will always wonder what if...

If you like the track, check out the same song, but by H.I.M. I LOVE that version.
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post #6758 of 8253
1/12/13 at 1:38am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I am worried about that too.... Problem is, I can't upgrade both right now. If I do three Noesis, then it will be awhile before I can switch out my subs. Plus I am limited on space....but would love to fit a S2 in my FRONT3.JPG 22k .JPG file room.

Tried to add a picture to show the front of my room...not sure if it worked :confused:though.

Hi. How far apart is your LR and how big is your room?

I thought I am settled with the T8-lp, but then all these comments about getting the best and not regret is killing me ....maybe I should get the neosis LP?
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post #6759 of 8253
1/12/13 at 4:32am
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

How would you guys describe your JTR speakers? After all these years of owning the Triple 12LF I still think they are a bit too bright to me. Hopefully after a good dialing in of my system with the new CHT subs it will sound awesome. I've always felt they were bright and never well integrated with the subs.

Can't wait to hear the Neosis. After that it will be major decision time for me, continue with JTR or go back to a B&W type speaker with a silky smooth high and nice solid mid.
From the time your T12's were made 09 to the present 2012 T12HT's there has been at least 2 mabey even 3 CD & crossover upgrades that were supposedly BIG improvements especially with music. You can read back through the thread and find out about it or ask anyone on here who did it what they think. I would call Jeff and see whats up. I believe it was about $300 per speaker. If you plan on keeping them for a while its worth it.
Chris
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post #6760 of 8253
1/12/13 at 4:54am
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From the time your T12's were made 09 to the present 2012 T12HT's there has been at least 2 mabey even 3 CD & crossover upgrades that were supposedly BIG improvements especially with music. You can read back through the thread and find out about it or ask anyone on here who did it what they think. I would call Jeff and see whats up. I believe it was about $300 per speaker. If you plan on keeping them for a while its worth it.
Chris

Hey, just wait until the Noesis get their first update and the crossover is tweaked. Suddenly the new Noesis will be the #%%# and the old version will sound so yesterday tongue.gif
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post #6761 of 8253
1/12/13 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


From the time your T12's were made 09 to the present 2012 T12HT's there has been at least 2 mabey even 3 CD & crossover upgrades that were supposedly BIG improvements especially with music. You can read back through the thread and find out about it or ask anyone on here who did it what they think. I would call Jeff and see whats up. I believe it was about $300 per speaker. If you plan on keeping them for a while its worth it.
Chris

Kind of how I was thinking too, that the Neosis is an all around much better speaker. I'll find out for myself on April 13. That is going to be a fun day for sure.
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post #6762 of 8253
1/12/13 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Hey, just wait until the Noesis get their first update and the crossover is tweaked. Suddenly the new Noesis will be the #%%# and the old version will sound so yesterday tongue.gif
That may be along wait.smile.gif That is a brand new CD in the horn so unless they made some kind of mistake it will be here for quite awhile.
If SeaNile is thinking of going to the Noesis than that would be $300. saved on each speaker toward the purchase.wink.gif
Chris
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post #6763 of 8253
1/12/13 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Last night I was of course listening to music as usual, and I played one of my wife's recent purchases from itunes. The group is called il Divo and the song was a remake of Chris Isaac's Wicked Game. These guys are opera style singers, so obviously not my cup of tea, but I heard it before when she first bought it an noticed how good it sounded on the Noesis. Well, last night I cranked up that song and it was un-frickin-believable how good it sounded. I had chills (most I've ever had listening to music at home), goose bumps, and was laughing to myself all at the same time. Pure audio bliss with a style of music that I don't even like. smile.gif...
I've heard that Zamphir Master of the Pan Flute can cause chills too.tongue.gifwink.gif
He can really throw down on that Romanian pan flute.biggrin.gif
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 1/12/13 at 11:10am
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post #6764 of 8253
1/12/13 at 3:50pm
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I've heard that Zamphir Master of the Pan Flute can cause chills too.tongue.gifwink.gif
He can really throw down on that Romanian pan flute.biggrin.gif
Chris

I think Carp may be suffering from low T... tongue.gif
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post #6765 of 8253
1/12/13 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I think Carp may be suffering from low T... tongue.gif
SHHH.....Carps is getting his daily nap then when he wakes he has to wash his hair. smile.gif
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post #6766 of 8253
1/12/13 at 5:09pm
Curious how the the Danely SH-50(passive) vs Noesis stack up? There in the same price point I believe
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post #6767 of 8253
1/12/13 at 6:40pm
*adam sander voice*

"Stop making fun of me!"

Uh, seriously though, I do turn 40 this summer so your comments may not be far off....
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post #6768 of 8253
1/12/13 at 8:21pm
Another Die Hard!! Nice!!!

Die hard is just like pizza, sex, beer, and Metallica... even when it's bad it's still pretty good. biggrin.gif.
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post #6769 of 8253
1/13/13 at 6:01am
I took a day away from this thread yesterday so I could think straight..haha

Plus my wife had an accident and we were in the ER for awhile, then I was taking care of her yesterday. She is okay, which is a good thing. smile.gif

Lots of good advice on what to do about my speakers. I am not 100% sure what to do yet. The deal on the used speakers won't last long, so I don't think I can wait until my demo in a few weeks... but I am also one of those guys that always play the "what if" game when I buy speakers. That is why I have the RF-7's and a RC-64. If the Heritage speakers were in my price range and I had the space for them, those would probably have been in my room..haha

My first row of seats will be about 8 - 8.5 feet back from any JTR speaker set I go with... Will the Noesis be able to shine if I sit that close to them?
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post #6770 of 8253
1/13/13 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post


Just an example from this Audio guy who sells home theater equipment. He was telling me that $300 worth of acoustic panels that he installs for his clients would yield so much more benefits than upgrading 'wires, amps, speakers, etc, etc'. The 'wire' part especially, when people are spending over $1000 bucks on them... I personally think they are a waste of money.

Oh no, that's not just a personal opinion, but stone cold hard fact. The esoteric cable biz is pure snake oil.

Buy the best loudspeakers you can afford, and do the room treatment.

Best regards,

John
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post #6771 of 8253
1/13/13 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I took a day away from this thread yesterday so I could think straight..haha

Plus my wife had an accident and we were in the ER for awhile, then I was taking care of her yesterday. She is okay, which is a good thing. smile.gif

Lots of good advice on what to do about my speakers. I am not 100% sure what to do yet. The deal on the used speakers won't last long, so I don't think I can wait until my demo in a few weeks... but I am also one of those guys that always play the "what if" game when I buy speakers. That is why I have the RF-7's and a RC-64. If the Heritage speakers were in my price range and I had the space for them, those would probably have been in my room..haha

My first row of seats will be about 8 - 8.5 feet back from any JTR speaker set I go with... Will the Noesis be able to shine if I sit that close to them?

Sorry about the wife's accident but glad she is ok.

I think that seating distance is a bit close for any of the speakers you are considering but if that's all you have to work with, then no need in belaboring the point. To answer your question, the Noesis will sound great from that distance once you get the setup (toe in) right. It will be a bit like driving a Ferarri 458 at 45 mph but they should take care of the what if factor.

IMHO, the only negative with the Noesis is subjective appearence. They are not "furniture grade" but represent such a great value that you will never out grow them performance wise. The Triple 8's and 12's are very dynamic sounding HT speakers but they lack the detail and resolution of the Noesis. How noticeable or important that is to you is relative. As I have stated before, I could have happily kept the Triple 12's but my curiosity about the Noesis got the best of me. I don't regret the decision to "upgrade" but I was very happy with the T12's.

There will always be an interesting options out there and if this is a hobby for you, then you will likely want to experiment and try different things. Most of us here don't change our speakers out of need, it is out of curiosity or as you called it, the "what if game". smile.gif
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post #6772 of 8253
1/13/13 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Sorry about the wife's accident but glad she is ok.

I think that seating distance is a bit close for any of the speakers you are considering but if that's all you have to work with, then no need in belaboring the point. To answer your question, the Noesis will sound great from that distance once you get the setup (toe in) right. It will be a bit like driving a Ferarri 458 at 45 mph but they should take care of the what if factor.

IMHO, the only negative with the Noesis is subjective appearence. They are not "furniture grade" but represent such a great value that you will never out grow them performance wise. The Triple 8's and 12's are very dynamic sounding HT speakers but they lack the detail and resolution of the Noesis. How noticeable or important that is to you is relative. As I have stated before, I could have happily kept the Triple 12's but my curiosity about the Noesis got the best of me. I don't regret the decision to "upgrade" but I was very happy with the T12's.

There will always be an interesting options out there and if this is a hobby for you, then you will likely want to experiment and try different things. Most of us here don't change our speakers out of need, it is out of curiosity or as you called it, the "what if game". smile.gif

Thank you for you concern about my wife. She is feeling so much better today that she is out shopping as I type this.

I definitely don't "need" to change out my speakers by any means. For me it is about finding a speaker setup that will play loud and have amazing dynamics. It is also about getting a set of speakers that will get me through for many years. This will probably be the last set of speakers I will be able to buy for quite awhile, so I want to "blow it out" I have found a couple former Klipsch owners who have been amazed how much better JTR sounds and that is what got me excited about these speakers. Considering my LCR speakers are supposed to be some fo the best for HT, it was shocking to hear something is that much better out there.

As far as the look of the speakers, they are in my theater room and the room is REALLY dark…walls a dark gray, ceiling and screen wall are black…so I am good with that.

Some day these could end up behind a screen in a new room build.
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post #6773 of 8253
1/13/13 at 11:14am
Why can't the Noesis be furniture grade? I had my T8s made furniture grade. I would think that Jeff can also build the Noesis with a custom veneer upgrade for a premium.
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post #6774 of 8253
1/13/13 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Thank you for you concern about my wife. She is feeling so much better today that she is out shopping as I type this.

I definitely don't "need" to change out my speakers by any means. For me it is about finding a speaker setup that will play loud and have amazing dynamics. It is also about getting a set of speakers that will get me through for many years. This will probably be the last set of speakers I will be able to buy for quite awhile, so I want to "blow it out" I have found a couple former Klipsch owners who have been amazed how much better JTR sounds and that is what got me excited about these speakers. Considering my LCR speakers are supposed to be some fo the best for HT, it was shocking to hear something is that much better out there.

As far as the look of the speakers, they are in my theater room and the room is REALLY dark…walls a dark gray, ceiling and screen wall are black…so I am good with that.

Some day these could end up behind a screen in a new room build.

Sounds like a solid rationale for a Noesis purchase to me. smile.gif
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post #6775 of 8253
1/13/13 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Why can't the Noesis be furniture grade? I had my T8s made furniture grade. I would think that Jeff can also build the Noesis with a custom veneer upgrade for a premium.

I'm sure he could/would build a veneer Noesis. Still, they should be heard but not seen IMO.wink.gif
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post #6776 of 8253
1/13/13 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Sounds like a solid rationale for a Noesis purchase to me. smile.gif

If the offer wasn't there for the used T8's, this would be easier. The price difference is quite large between the used T8's and the Noesis...which is another thing to consider. Would I get a big enough jump in sound for the large price difference? Also, would the T8's give me that huge increase in dynamics I am searching for, making it worth upgrading into JTR?!?

It might be that I get the used T8's to use as surrounds and then go ahead with the Noesis as well... decisions.
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post #6777 of 8253
1/13/13 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

If the offer wasn't there for the used T8's, this would be easier. The price difference is quite large between the used T8's and the Noesis...which is another thing to consider. Would I get a big enough jump in sound for the large price difference? Also, would the T8's give me that huge increase in dynamics I am searching for, making it worth upgrading into JTR?!?

It might be that I get the used T8's to use as surrounds and then go ahead with the Noesis as well... decisions.

Your last scenario sounds like the one and done option.
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post #6778 of 8253
1/13/13 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Your last scenario sounds like the one and done option.

It will also be the most expensive, take the most convincing and longest to get done:D..
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post #6779 of 8253
1/13/13 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

It will also be the most expensive, take the most convincing and longest to get done:D..

The best options often are ... wink.gif

Good luck and I hope you're happy however it works out. smile.gif
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1/13/13 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

The best options often are ... wink.gif

Good luck and I hope you're happy however it works out. smile.gif[/quote

I am sure it will... Hopefully I can find somebody in my area that will be able to demo these speakers before the used T8's are sold. I am heading up to Cincy for a demo, but that isn't for a few weeks..
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