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post #6751 of 18527
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Last night I was of course listening to music as usual, and I played one of my wife's recent purchases from itunes. The group is called il Divo and the song was a remake of Chris Isaac's Wicked Game. These guys are opera style singers, so obviously not my cup of tea, but I heard it before when she first bought it an noticed how good it sounded on the Noesis. Well, last night I cranked up that song and it was un-frickin-believable how good it sounded. I had chills (most I've ever had listening to music at home), goose bumps, and was laughing to myself all at the same time. Pure audio bliss with a style of music that I don't even like. smile.gif...
I've heard that Zamphir Master of the Pan Flute can cause chills too.tongue.gifwink.gif
He can really throw down on that Romanian pan flute.biggrin.gif
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 1/12/13 at 11:10am
post #6752 of 18527
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I've heard that Zamphir Master of the Pan Flute can cause chills too.tongue.gifwink.gif
He can really throw down on that Romanian pan flute.biggrin.gif
Chris

I think Carp may be suffering from low T... tongue.gif
post #6753 of 18527
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I think Carp may be suffering from low T... tongue.gif
SHHH.....Carps is getting his daily nap then when he wakes he has to wash his hair. smile.gif
post #6754 of 18527
Curious how the the Danely SH-50(passive) vs Noesis stack up? There in the same price point I believe
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*adam sander voice*

"Stop making fun of me!"

Uh, seriously though, I do turn 40 this summer so your comments may not be far off....
post #6756 of 18527
Another Die Hard!! Nice!!!

Die hard is just like pizza, sex, beer, and Metallica... even when it's bad it's still pretty good. biggrin.gif.
post #6757 of 18527
I took a day away from this thread yesterday so I could think straight..haha

Plus my wife had an accident and we were in the ER for awhile, then I was taking care of her yesterday. She is okay, which is a good thing. smile.gif

Lots of good advice on what to do about my speakers. I am not 100% sure what to do yet. The deal on the used speakers won't last long, so I don't think I can wait until my demo in a few weeks... but I am also one of those guys that always play the "what if" game when I buy speakers. That is why I have the RF-7's and a RC-64. If the Heritage speakers were in my price range and I had the space for them, those would probably have been in my room..haha

My first row of seats will be about 8 - 8.5 feet back from any JTR speaker set I go with... Will the Noesis be able to shine if I sit that close to them?
post #6758 of 18527
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post


Just an example from this Audio guy who sells home theater equipment. He was telling me that $300 worth of acoustic panels that he installs for his clients would yield so much more benefits than upgrading 'wires, amps, speakers, etc, etc'. The 'wire' part especially, when people are spending over $1000 bucks on them... I personally think they are a waste of money.

Oh no, that's not just a personal opinion, but stone cold hard fact. The esoteric cable biz is pure snake oil.

Buy the best loudspeakers you can afford, and do the room treatment.

Best regards,

John
post #6759 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I took a day away from this thread yesterday so I could think straight..haha

Plus my wife had an accident and we were in the ER for awhile, then I was taking care of her yesterday. She is okay, which is a good thing. smile.gif

Lots of good advice on what to do about my speakers. I am not 100% sure what to do yet. The deal on the used speakers won't last long, so I don't think I can wait until my demo in a few weeks... but I am also one of those guys that always play the "what if" game when I buy speakers. That is why I have the RF-7's and a RC-64. If the Heritage speakers were in my price range and I had the space for them, those would probably have been in my room..haha

My first row of seats will be about 8 - 8.5 feet back from any JTR speaker set I go with... Will the Noesis be able to shine if I sit that close to them?

Sorry about the wife's accident but glad she is ok.

I think that seating distance is a bit close for any of the speakers you are considering but if that's all you have to work with, then no need in belaboring the point. To answer your question, the Noesis will sound great from that distance once you get the setup (toe in) right. It will be a bit like driving a Ferarri 458 at 45 mph but they should take care of the what if factor.

IMHO, the only negative with the Noesis is subjective appearence. They are not "furniture grade" but represent such a great value that you will never out grow them performance wise. The Triple 8's and 12's are very dynamic sounding HT speakers but they lack the detail and resolution of the Noesis. How noticeable or important that is to you is relative. As I have stated before, I could have happily kept the Triple 12's but my curiosity about the Noesis got the best of me. I don't regret the decision to "upgrade" but I was very happy with the T12's.

There will always be an interesting options out there and if this is a hobby for you, then you will likely want to experiment and try different things. Most of us here don't change our speakers out of need, it is out of curiosity or as you called it, the "what if game". smile.gif
post #6760 of 18527
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Sorry about the wife's accident but glad she is ok.

I think that seating distance is a bit close for any of the speakers you are considering but if that's all you have to work with, then no need in belaboring the point. To answer your question, the Noesis will sound great from that distance once you get the setup (toe in) right. It will be a bit like driving a Ferarri 458 at 45 mph but they should take care of the what if factor.

IMHO, the only negative with the Noesis is subjective appearence. They are not "furniture grade" but represent such a great value that you will never out grow them performance wise. The Triple 8's and 12's are very dynamic sounding HT speakers but they lack the detail and resolution of the Noesis. How noticeable or important that is to you is relative. As I have stated before, I could have happily kept the Triple 12's but my curiosity about the Noesis got the best of me. I don't regret the decision to "upgrade" but I was very happy with the T12's.

There will always be an interesting options out there and if this is a hobby for you, then you will likely want to experiment and try different things. Most of us here don't change our speakers out of need, it is out of curiosity or as you called it, the "what if game". smile.gif

Thank you for you concern about my wife. She is feeling so much better today that she is out shopping as I type this.

I definitely don't "need" to change out my speakers by any means. For me it is about finding a speaker setup that will play loud and have amazing dynamics. It is also about getting a set of speakers that will get me through for many years. This will probably be the last set of speakers I will be able to buy for quite awhile, so I want to "blow it out" I have found a couple former Klipsch owners who have been amazed how much better JTR sounds and that is what got me excited about these speakers. Considering my LCR speakers are supposed to be some fo the best for HT, it was shocking to hear something is that much better out there.

As far as the look of the speakers, they are in my theater room and the room is REALLY dark…walls a dark gray, ceiling and screen wall are black…so I am good with that.

Some day these could end up behind a screen in a new room build.
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Why can't the Noesis be furniture grade? I had my T8s made furniture grade. I would think that Jeff can also build the Noesis with a custom veneer upgrade for a premium.
post #6762 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Thank you for you concern about my wife. She is feeling so much better today that she is out shopping as I type this.

I definitely don't "need" to change out my speakers by any means. For me it is about finding a speaker setup that will play loud and have amazing dynamics. It is also about getting a set of speakers that will get me through for many years. This will probably be the last set of speakers I will be able to buy for quite awhile, so I want to "blow it out" I have found a couple former Klipsch owners who have been amazed how much better JTR sounds and that is what got me excited about these speakers. Considering my LCR speakers are supposed to be some fo the best for HT, it was shocking to hear something is that much better out there.

As far as the look of the speakers, they are in my theater room and the room is REALLY dark…walls a dark gray, ceiling and screen wall are black…so I am good with that.

Some day these could end up behind a screen in a new room build.

Sounds like a solid rationale for a Noesis purchase to me. smile.gif
post #6763 of 18527
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Why can't the Noesis be furniture grade? I had my T8s made furniture grade. I would think that Jeff can also build the Noesis with a custom veneer upgrade for a premium.

I'm sure he could/would build a veneer Noesis. Still, they should be heard but not seen IMO.wink.gif
post #6764 of 18527
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Sounds like a solid rationale for a Noesis purchase to me. smile.gif

If the offer wasn't there for the used T8's, this would be easier. The price difference is quite large between the used T8's and the Noesis...which is another thing to consider. Would I get a big enough jump in sound for the large price difference? Also, would the T8's give me that huge increase in dynamics I am searching for, making it worth upgrading into JTR?!?

It might be that I get the used T8's to use as surrounds and then go ahead with the Noesis as well... decisions.
post #6765 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

If the offer wasn't there for the used T8's, this would be easier. The price difference is quite large between the used T8's and the Noesis...which is another thing to consider. Would I get a big enough jump in sound for the large price difference? Also, would the T8's give me that huge increase in dynamics I am searching for, making it worth upgrading into JTR?!?

It might be that I get the used T8's to use as surrounds and then go ahead with the Noesis as well... decisions.

Your last scenario sounds like the one and done option.
post #6766 of 18527
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Your last scenario sounds like the one and done option.

It will also be the most expensive, take the most convincing and longest to get done:D..
post #6767 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

It will also be the most expensive, take the most convincing and longest to get done:D..

The best options often are ... wink.gif

Good luck and I hope you're happy however it works out. smile.gif
post #6768 of 18527
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

The best options often are ... wink.gif

Good luck and I hope you're happy however it works out. smile.gif[/quote

I am sure it will... Hopefully I can find somebody in my area that will be able to demo these speakers before the used T8's are sold. I am heading up to Cincy for a demo, but that isn't for a few weeks..
post #6769 of 18527
COACH2369 - As someone who bought the T12's and never heard JTR speakers prior to spending nearly $4k on a used set of LCR, I can tell you with 100% confidence that I do not regret my purchase AT ALL!

I was initially looking at the same Klipsch setup you mentioned - RC-64ii and RF-7ii setup, and I went and demo'd a setup locally. I thought they sounded really good, although a bit bright. I was on the verge of purchasing them and decided to do a bit more research before I went and made a big purchase. I then listened to B&W setups in the same price range, as well as other brands. I was then on the verge or purchasing some B&W speakers just liking the sound better than the Klipsch speakers, but again, I decided to just wait it out and do some more research.

Then I started hearing about JTR.

I was literally looking to demo some for over a month and could not find them. I was interested in the T8's to purchase initially because they were in my price range. I then did more and more research and found out about the T12's and those were out of my range. The more and more research I did I figured that JTR would most likely be my purchase, however it was tough to spend this kind of money without demo'ing anything. But based off opinion on here as well as hearing the JTR Captirvator subs (which I have 2 of now), it gave me more confidence that if the subs lived up to the hype I heard, I'm sure the speakers will too.

And then were was a deal for T12's I came across. I basically could get 3 used T12's for the same price as T8's new. So I said F' it and got the T12's.

And I can tell you that I am SSSSOOOOOO happy with the purchase. People are blown away by my setup and tell me it sounds better than a movie theater, and I agree. And this is only with a 3.2 setup - I don't have my surrounds yet!

I do plan to get either the T8's or Slanted 8's for my surrounds, kind of depends if a deal comes along or not if I get the T8's. I don't think I will spend that much money brand new for surrounds.

And as I'm sure some of the guys in this thread can tell you, once I got my speakers, I have not been around the boards NEARLY as much as I was prior. And it's simply because I've been enjoying the speakers and don't have anymore questions or research to do, which in a way kind of sucks too! It was fun coming here and learning and discussing the speakers.

But one thing is for sure - my 2 surround speakers will be 100% JTR speakers, I can guarantee you that, and whatever I get will be without hearing them first. I know they will sound awesome.

I can tell you that the T12's, IMO, are NOTICEABLY better than the RF7 and RC64 setup that I heard. Granted, they are also a much more expensive speaker, so it is to be expected. And keep in mind I liked the Klipsch a lot too, so it isn't that the Klipsch sound bad or anything, it is just that the T12's are that much better IMO.

So if you are only holding out because you want to hear them first, don't let that hold you back too much. These speakers are amazing.
post #6770 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

COACH2369 - As someone who bought the T12's and never heard JTR speakers prior to spending nearly $4k on a used set of LCR, I can tell you with 100% confidence that I do not regret my purchase AT ALL!

I was initially looking at the same Klipsch setup you mentioned - RC-64ii and RF-7ii setup, and I went and demo'd a setup locally. I thought they sounded really good, although a bit bright. I was on the verge of purchasing them and decided to do a bit more research before I went and made a big purchase. I then listened to B&W setups in the same price range, as well as other brands. I was then on the verge or purchasing some B&W speakers just liking the sound better than the Klipsch speakers, but again, I decided to just wait it out and do some more research.

Then I started hearing about JTR.

I was literally looking to demo some for over a month and could not find them. I was interested in the T8's to purchase initially because they were in my price range. I then did more and more research and found out about the T12's and those were out of my range. The more and more research I did I figured that JTR would most likely be my purchase, however it was tough to spend this kind of money without demo'ing anything. But based off opinion on here as well as hearing the JTR Captirvator subs (which I have 2 of now), it gave me more confidence that if the subs lived up to the hype I heard, I'm sure the speakers will too.

And then were was a deal for T12's I came across. I basically could get 3 used T12's for the same price as T8's new. So I said F' it and got the T12's.

And I can tell you that I am SSSSOOOOOO happy with the purchase. People are blown away by my setup and tell me it sounds better than a movie theater, and I agree. And this is only with a 3.2 setup - I don't have my surrounds yet!

I do plan to get either the T8's or Slanted 8's for my surrounds, kind of depends if a deal comes along or not if I get the T8's. I don't think I will spend that much money brand new for surrounds.

And as I'm sure some of the guys in this thread can tell you, once I got my speakers, I have not been around the boards NEARLY as much as I was prior. And it's simply because I've been enjoying the speakers and don't have anymore questions or research to do, which in a way kind of sucks too! It was fun coming here and learning and discussing the speakers.

But one thing is for sure - my 2 surround speakers will be 100% JTR speakers, I can guarantee you that, and whatever I get will be without hearing them first. I know they will sound awesome.

I can tell you that the T12's, IMO, are NOTICEABLY better than the RF7 and RC64 setup that I heard. Granted, they are also a much more expensive speaker, so it is to be expected. And keep in mind I liked the Klipsch a lot too, so it isn't that the Klipsch sound bad or anything, it is just that the T12's are that much better IMO.

So if you are only holding out because you want to hear them first, don't let that hold you back too much. These speakers are amazing.

That sounds like something that should be posted on Jeff’s website…

Thank you for the detailed review and process you went through to get where you are now. I have been emailing and talking quite a bit with Jeff, other forum members and a few people I respect when it comes to audio.

One of my good buddies said, based on the tech specs, that he feels that the T8’s and T12’s will make a noticeable difference in my system. Then he said that the Noesis are the real deal and be a HUGE upgrade over my Klipsch system, giving me the dynamics I am in search of in a HT speaker….that had me grinning. :-D He did think that for the money I would be spending on the Noesis, a demo of at least the T8’s wouldn’t be a bad idea. This way I can get a good idea of how the speakers sound.

I am waiting to hear back from Jeff on a potential demo in my backyard. He found somebody close by that has some speakers and is in the process of getting in touch with the customer.

My goal is to make a decision within the next few days on what I will be doing. I am thinking about subs as well, but this will be a gradual process before everything is done.
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Have a question for you guys regarding amps. I have a smaller room, 11 ft wide footer the first 8 ft, then opens up to 14 ft. it's about 28 ft long and 7 ft high. After reading the latest GTG thread where only the 4311CI (my current receiver) was used, I'm starting to question whether or not I actually need an amp or is it just a waste of money. I currently have a parasound a52, but I could always use the money if I were to sell it, especially sine I haven't bought the TV yet. Any thoughts? Thanks.

BTW, I have t8's for my LCR and S8's for my front heights.
post #6772 of 18527
Four years ago when my first wave of upgrade bug got to me I was shopping B&W and Klipsch and really wanted to take my system to another level. I listened to a lot of speakers and really loved the silky smooth sound of the 800 series B&W's but I knew they didn't have the output I was looking for. The JTR thread pushed me in this direction and I also bought my Triple 12LF's without ever hearing them. I've been really happy with them and do feel that a Neosis upgrade is in my future. A local GTG in April will be my deciding factor is I want to make the jump to the Neosis or not. Hell, if the right deal came along I'd probably upgrade before the GTG and without hearing the Neosis!
post #6773 of 18527
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Have a question for you guys regarding amps. I have a smaller room, 11 ft wide footer the first 8 ft, then opens up to 14 ft. it's about 28 ft long and 7 ft high. After reading the latest GTG thread where only the 4311CI (my current receiver) was used, I'm starting to question whether or not I actually need an amp or is it just a waste of money. I currently have a parasound a52, but I could always use the money if I were to sell it, especially sine I haven't bought the TV yet. Any thoughts? Thanks.

BTW, I have t8's for my LCR and S8's for my front heights.

My room is 20x27 and I have that same receiver powering 3 T12's, and I can get my LCR speakers to levels that I can't tolerate very easily without even pushing the speakers or AVR. My LCR are all set at -6.0db on my AVR, and around a volume of 2db it is nearly unbearable to listen to.

I don't have any surrounds hooked up right now though, so it is only powering 3 speakers. And this is without an amp.
post #6774 of 18527
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Have a question for you guys regarding amps. I have a smaller room, 11 ft wide footer the first 8 ft, then opens up to 14 ft. it's about 28 ft long and 7 ft high. After reading the latest GTG thread where only the 4311CI (my current receiver) was used, I'm starting to question whether or not I actually need an amp or is it just a waste of money. I currently have a parasound a52, but I could always use the money if I were to sell it, especially sine I haven't bought the TV yet. Any thoughts? Thanks.

BTW, I have t8's for my LCR and S8's for my front heights.
Try it without the amp for a month. If its not missed then its not needed. If you can tell a difference keep it.
This truly is a situation where you need to be the judge.
I like high power amps (1000wpc) or no amps at all.
Chris
post #6775 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

My room is 20x27 and I have that same receiver powering 3 T12's, and I can get my LCR speakers to levels that I can't tolerate very easily without even pushing the speakers or AVR. My LCR are all set at -6.0db on my AVR, and around a volume of 2db it is nearly unbearable to listen to.

I don't have any surrounds hooked up right now though, so it is only powering 3 speakers. And this is without an amp.

I think you are correct however ... tongue.gif

That Art of Flight Bluray and the Deadmau 5 Alaska scene is like crack (not that I've tried crack wink.gif). Every time I play it for someone I end up pushing the MV up to +10 or more and just let that clean soul penetrating sound wash over me. Then, backing down to +2 or reference seems like a normal comfortable volume eek.gif.

But if I can be serious for a moment, I'm not sure that any AVR could provide the power necessary to do that ... Humm, maybe that's not such a bad thing ... smile.gif
post #6776 of 18527
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I think you are correct however ... tongue.gif

That Art of Flight Bluray and the Deadmau 5 Alaska scene is like crack (not that I've tried crack wink.gif). Every time I play it for someone I end up pushing the MV up to +10 or more and just let that clean soul penetrating sound wash over me. Then, backing down to +2 or reference seems like a normal comfortable volume eek.gif.

But if I can be serious for a moment, I'm not sure that any AVR could provide the power necessary to do that ... Humm, maybe that's not such a bad thing ... smile.gif

Holy!!!!!! At -8 it sounds clean but like the walls are about to fall down at my house on Art of Flight. +10....YIKES!!!! My favorite demo blu ray for sure but those levels are insane for my inferior, and apparantly quite feminine, ear drums smile.gif
post #6777 of 18527
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Have a question for you guys regarding amps. I have a smaller room, 11 ft wide footer the first 8 ft, then opens up to 14 ft. it's about 28 ft long and 7 ft high. After reading the latest GTG thread where only the 4311CI (my current receiver) was used, I'm starting to question whether or not I actually need an amp or is it just a waste of money. I currently have a parasound a52, but I could always use the money if I were to sell it, especially sine I haven't bought the TV yet. Any thoughts? Thanks.

BTW, I have t8's for my LCR and S8's for my front heights.

That is about the same size as my room, and I listen at about 12 feet so it is easy to calculate how much wattage I technically need. Those pushing 1000 watts like headroom, and a lot of it. The T8's are good on the receiver unless you are running as RMK suggested at +10dB and in multi-channel stereo. remember it only takes 4 watts to get those T8's to reference at 3 feet. About 64 to get to reference at your seat at 12ft away.
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Holy!!!!!! At -8 it sounds clean but like the walls are about to fall down at my house on Art of Flight. +10....YIKES!!!! My favorite demo blu ray for sure but those levels are insane for my inferior, and apparantly quite feminine, ear drums smile.gif

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That is about the same size as my room, and I listen at about 12 feet so it is easy to calculate how much wattage I technically need. Those pushing 1000 watts like headroom, and a lot of it. The T8's are good on the receiver unless you are running as RMK suggested at +10dB and in multi-channel stereo. remember it only takes 4 watts to get those T8's to reference at 3 feet. About 64 to get to reference at your seat at 12ft away.

Did I suggest +10 eek.giftongue.gif

I am coming off as some kind of SLP junkie (perhaps deservedly so tongue.gif) but my "normal" movie listening is -10 to -12 (I think Dolby True HD is a little hotter) and with most recorded music it is more like -18. It is only occasionally that I venture into the SLP stratosphere.

I've got to make a point to get to the audiologist this year for a checkup. smile.gif
post #6779 of 18527
After reading these past several posts, I wonder if JTR has a sponsorship deal with MiracleEar or another hearing aid company...

I have heard that demo on some Cat 12's and it was quite the experience..eek.gif.
post #6780 of 18527
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I think you are correct however ... tongue.gif

That Art of Flight Bluray and the Deadmau 5 Alaska scene is like crack (not that I've tried crack wink.gif). Every time I play it for someone I end up pushing the MV up to +10 or more and just let that clean soul penetrating sound wash over me. Then, backing down to +2 or reference seems like a normal comfortable volume eek.gif.

But if I can be serious for a moment, I'm not sure that any AVR could provide the power necessary to do that ... Humm, maybe that's not such a bad thing ... smile.gif

The last time I had the KC group over we (and by that i mean me biggrin.gif) got a little out of control with the volume control. We ran a few scenes to +12 with the subs running hot (dual submersives and a dual opposed Dayton 18" DIY monster running at the same time).

The Noesis had no problems at those levels being powered by a receiver.

Same kind of thing at the Iowa gtg, we watched open range and the art of flight at 10 over reference for short periods, and that is a huge room, and there was no hint of distortion at all.

It's like there is no limit with these speakers, that's what I'm searching for with subs too. Before people think I'm insane and will go deaf, I usually listen to music at 80-85 db's and movies at 12 under most of the time. I want the headroom for those rare times that I want to let loose.
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