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post #6781 of 18368
I love the music and especially the concert dvd's really loud. I'm still trying to duplicate that concert feel of a well balanced sound, not too bright and not muddy but rather a nice smooth sound across all frequencies.

Any system can get loud but that is usually associated with fatigue. I want that clean sound that you hear with your ears but feel with your body.
post #6782 of 18368
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

The last time I had the KC group over we (and by that i mean me biggrin.gif) got a little out of control with the volume control. We ran a few scenes to +12 with the subs running hot (dual submersives and a dual opposed Dayton 18" DIY monster running at the same time).

The Noesis had no problems at those levels being powered by a receiver.

Same kind of thing at the Iowa gtg, we watched open range and the art of flight at 10 over reference for short periods, and that is a huge room, and there was no hint of distortion at all.

It's like there is no limit with these speakers, that's what I'm searching for with subs too. Before people think I'm insane and will go deaf, I usually listen to music at 80-85 db's and movies at 12 under most of the time. I want the headroom for those rare times that I want to let loose.

Good to know, anyone want to buy some perfectly good W4S amps? wink.gif

Re the high SPL, it may be a over used and lousy analogy but having the these speakers is like owning a great handling very fast car. Every once in a while you just have to let er rip. Overdoing it leads to hearling loss and moving violations ... tongue.gif
post #6783 of 18368
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Good to know, anyone want to buy some perfectly good W4S amps? wink.gif

Re the high SPL, it may be a over used and lousy analogy but having the these speakers is like owning a great handling very fast car. Every once in a while you just have to let er rip. Overdoing it leads to hearling loss and moving violations ... tongue.gif
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Time for another upgrade?wink.gif
post #6784 of 18368
Saw this concert 14x and it was amazing. Loudest. clearest sound I have ever heard. This is my inspiration for my HT system. This show in Raleigh was significantly louder than the other venues. Although just a quick recording with my iPhone, notice everything shaking from the volume and the bass. AWESOME!

post #6785 of 18368
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Have a question for you guys regarding amps. I have a smaller room, 11 ft wide footer the first 8 ft, then opens up to 14 ft. it's about 28 ft long and 7 ft high. After reading the latest GTG thread where only the 4311CI (my current receiver) was used, I'm starting to question whether or not I actually need an amp or is it just a waste of money. I currently have a parasound a52, but I could always use the money if I were to sell it, especially sine I haven't bought the TV yet. Any thoughts? Thanks.

BTW, I have t8's for my LCR and S8's for my front heights.

Hi. my room is a bit smaller than you (about 23x12), but it opened up to the living room... I am leaning towards the T8-LP, as then I can hang those on the wall and make the family room looks nicer. Having said that, if this is not going to be the performance I need, then I could go with a T12-LP and make it is a stand.. So, how is the T8 LCR treat you? Any urge to feel like you need T12 or Neosis??
post #6786 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Hi. my room is a bit smaller than you (about 23x12), but it opened up to the living room... I am leaning towards the T8-LP, as then I can hang those on the wall and make the family room looks nicer. Having said that, if this is not going to be the performance I need, then I could go with a T12-LP and make it is a stand.. So, how is the T8 LCR treat you? Any urge to feel like you need T12 or Neosis??

The room that I was talking about isn't finished yet. I do, however, have t8-lp's in my current living room. They are totally out of place right now and the whole setup just looks awful (obviously I'm single). I hooked them up to make sure they worked since they were used, but I just couldn't take them down, I liked them so much. I have no doubt that they will fit perfectly in my room. I haven't heard the Neosis, so I can't comment on them since they are a different beast, but I can't imagine that I would need the T12's, the T8's sound so good to me now. I wish that I could help you a bit more but my basement looks like it will be a while yet, so I can't say for sure if the T8-LP's are enough, but I think that they will be perfect. Once I have everything set up, I'll be sure to post back.

P.S. Thanks everyone for the help. I think that I'm going wait to sell and see how it sounds after everything is set up, unless some unforeseen expense jumps up. Obviously, any more feedback is greatly appreciated.
post #6787 of 18368
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

The room that I was talking about isn't finished yet. I do, however, have t8-lp's in my current living room. They are totally out of place right now and the whole setup just looks awful (obviously I'm single). I hooked them up to make sure they worked since they were used, but I just couldn't take them down, I liked them so much. I have no doubt that they will fit perfectly in my room. I haven't heard the Neosis, so I can't comment on them since they are a different beast, but I can't imagine that I would need the T12's, the T8's sound so good to me now. I wish that I could help you a bit more but my basement looks like it will be a while yet, so I can't say for sure if the T8-LP's are enough, but I think that they will be perfect. Once I have everything set up, I'll be sure to post back.

P.S. Thanks everyone for the help. I think that I'm going wait to sell and see how it sounds after everything is set up, unless some unforeseen expense jumps up. Obviously, any more feedback is greatly appreciated.

I see. thanks for your input though! Good luck to your new room. I have no other room in my house (maybe another 10+ years when my kids moved out smile.gif), so I need to stick with my living room...Having a Neosis there does not pass WAF...
post #6788 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I see. thanks for your input though! Good luck to your new room. I have no other room in my house (maybe another 10+ years when my kids moved out smile.gif), so I need to stick with my living room...Having a Neosis there does not pass WAF...

Thanks, I'll need the luck. This is what happens when you have a retaliative doing the work for you. It's a lot cheaper, but when another job comes up, that takes priority understandably. I just didn't think that it would take this long. I can see the Neosis not passing the WAF. Frankly, the T8-LP's are big and heavy as well. Try to see them in person before you buy. That being said, I have them set up in my living room in a less than ideal position and they sound fantastic. I highly recommend them!
post #6789 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Hi. my room is a bit smaller than you (about 23x12), but it opened up to the living room... I am leaning towards the T8-LP, as then I can hang those on the wall and make the family room looks nicer. Having said that, if this is not going to be the performance I need, then I could go with a T12-LP and make it is a stand.. So, how is the T8 LCR treat you? Any urge to feel like you need T12 or Neosis??

My room is not quite as big as yours, 15x14. I have vented T8s. The only thing that makes me want to upgrade is reading the rave reviews about the Noesis. From a sound quality and output standpoint, I am still blown away by the T8's. When used with my S2, i get the wall of sound feeling you get at an IMAX with absolutely no distortion. Remember, that people use these to fill gymnasiums with sound. Unless you have a huge room, the T8-LP will be all you ever need to make it sound better than a movie theater. Not having experienced the T12's or Noesis, I can't be sure how much better they are, but I can say you will be very satisfied with the T8-LP's. I believe the output is similar between the vented and LP versions. Since the T8's will work for you size wise, I would buy them and not worry about how much better the 12's or Noesis might be.

There has been talk on this forum about the T8's and music, and you could come away with the impression that the T8's are somehow sub par with respect to music. We need to remember that these are amazing speakers for music and any negative comments are only in comparison to other JTR products and other very high end speakers. I love these speakers for music. They never fail to put a smile on my face.
post #6790 of 18368
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Have a question for you guys regarding amps. I have a smaller room, 11 ft wide footer the first 8 ft, then opens up to 14 ft. it's about 28 ft long and 7 ft high. After reading the latest GTG thread where only the 4311CI (my current receiver) was used, I'm starting to question whether or not I actually need an amp or is it just a waste of money. I currently have a parasound a52, but I could always use the money if I were to sell it, especially sine I haven't bought the TV yet. Any thoughts? Thanks.

BTW, I have t8's for my LCR and S8's for my front heights.

The 4311 will have plenty of power to drive the Noesis. As you and Carp pointed out during the Iowa GTG, during the entire "play-time" we were watching Open Range & the Art of Flight at ear bleeding levels (+5 to +10) with the 4311 driving them. Archaea has a YouTube video where he shows driving to reference with a little 20 watt amp as well.
post #6791 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I see. thanks for your input though! Good luck to your new room. I have no other room in my house (maybe another 10+ years when my kids moved out smile.gif), so I need to stick with my living room...Having a Neosis there does not pass WAF...

Don't you own an Orbit Shifter?
post #6792 of 18368
Yes,
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Don't you own an Orbit Shifter?
Yes, I do own an OS. I put it behind my couch and act as a table (my wife put a table runner and some decoration/flowers on top smile.gif, so it sort of work out that way. Other than that, whenever people coming over, she will quiz them on what it is and say I am crazy smile.gif Although whenever I play a movie (Flight on Phoenix), they are all amazed...I also have 4 Slanted8 as surround, so I am just lacking the LCR.
OK, I am sold again on T8-LP smile.gif I think you guys should stop talking about Neosis for a few days so I can make my decision. smile.gif
BTW, I should have the tweeter at my ear level, is this correct? I assume then I will need to ask Jeff to put it at the bottom. Right?
post #6793 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Yes,
Yes, I do own an OS. I put it behind my couch and act as a table (my wife put a table runner and some decoration/flowers on top smile.gif, so it sort of work out that way. Other than that, whenever people coming over, she will quiz them on what it is and say I am crazy smile.gif Although whenever I play a movie (Flight on Phoenix), they are all amazed...I also have 4 Slanted8 as surround, so I am just lacking the LCR.
OK, I am sold again on T8-LP smile.gif I think you guys should stop talking about Neosis for a few days so I can make my decision. smile.gif
BTW, I should have the tweeter at my ear level, is this correct? I assume then I will need to ask Jeff to put it at the bottom. Right?

Yes, you want the tweeter at ear level. At least with the 2010 version it was pretty easy to switch coaxial driver from the middle to the end of the speaker, you can ask him to put it there or switch it yourself, if you ever change your room configuration you can switch it back.
post #6794 of 18368
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Originally Posted by gillfcb View Post

I am now on a mission to see if either the JTR or Chase Home Theater speakers are the best solution for my setup. I keep reading how equally matched L/R/C is important. If so, then the JTR12HTs are out because my center channel opening is only 25 5/8" w x 9 5/8" h x 17" d. I do not want to set a center channel on a stand, nor do I have a place to put it vertically.1.gif
With that dimension, the only one that will fit is T8-lp... In fact it fit almost perfectly (25 4/8 w x 9 5/8 h x 7 1/2)!!
post #6795 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Yes,
Yes, I do own an OS. I put it behind my couch and act as a table (my wife put a table runner and some decoration/flowers on top smile.gif, so it sort of work out that way. Other than that, whenever people coming over, she will quiz them on what it is and say I am crazy smile.gif Although whenever I play a movie (Flight on Phoenix), they are all amazed...I also have 4 Slanted8 as surround, so I am just lacking the LCR.
OK, I am sold again on T8-LP smile.gif I think you guys should stop talking about Neosis for a few days so I can make my decision. smile.gif
BTW, I should have the tweeter at my ear level, is this correct? I assume then I will need to ask Jeff to put it at the bottom. Right?

I too am getting an Orbit Shifter... do you have problems identifying the bass location by putting it directly behind you? What frequency did you cross? Did you think 1 OS was enough?
post #6796 of 18368
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

The 4311 will have plenty of power to drive the Noesis. As you and Carp pointed out during the Iowa GTG, during the entire "play-time" we were watching Open Range & the Art of Flight at ear bleeding levels (+5 to +10) with the 4311 driving them. Archaea has a YouTube video where he shows driving to reference with a little 20 watt amp as well.

Thanks. It looks more and more like I'll go amp-less and save some money.
post #6797 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Yes,
Yes, I do own an OS. I put it behind my couch and act as a table (my wife put a table runner and some decoration/flowers on top smile.gif, so it sort of work out that way. Other than that, whenever people coming over, she will quiz them on what it is and say I am crazy smile.gif Although whenever I play a movie (Flight on Phoenix), they are all amazed...I also have 4 Slanted8 as surround, so I am just lacking the LCR.
OK, I am sold again on T8-LP smile.gif I think you guys should stop talking about Neosis for a few days so I can make my decision. smile.gif
BTW, I should have the tweeter at my ear level, is this correct? I assume then I will need to ask Jeff to put it at the bottom. Right?

It would be awesome if you could stack another OS on top of that one with the port at head height when seated on the couch. Then add a lab gruppen 14k amp for all the sats including your new neosis front stage. eek.gif Actually the T8lp's would be a great addition. I used to run that speaker for center channel and it will pound out extreme detail clarity and spl to compliment your OS.
post #6798 of 18368
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I too am getting an Orbit Shifter... do you have problems identifying the bass location by putting it directly behind you? What frequency did you cross? Did you think 1 OS was enough?
I do have some locality issue, as I am crossing at 80. This is in fact one of my concerns with T8-LP go down to 78, but I want to try 70. I talked to Jeff and he said since I plan to mount it, I will have more mid bass so it should be ok.
Yes, one is enough, but the seat to seat variation is more than a few dB (my wife did not care much so I optimize for my seat only:)). I almost want to get another smaller one like an S1, but not sure S1 can keep up...
post #6799 of 18368
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

It would be awesome if you could stack another OS on top of that one with the port at head height when seated on the couch. Then add a lab gruppen 14k amp for all the sats including your new neosis front stage. eek.gif Actually the T8lp's would be a great addition. I used to run that speaker for center channel and it will pound out extreme detail clarity and spl to compliment your OS.
LOL!
Btw guys, I need to ask what speaker cable I need for the T8-lp. I saw some from bluejean cable, is 12 AWG good enough? (Or they have 10 AWG)
Mono price also had 12 and 14 AWG... And much cheaper. What should I get?
post #6800 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I do have some locality issue, as I am crossing at 80. This is in fact one of my concerns with T8-LP go down to 78, but I want to try 70. I talked to Jeff and he said since I plan to mount it, I will have more mid bass so it should be ok.
Yes, one is enough, but the seat to seat variation is more than a few dB (my wife did not care much so I optimize for my seat only:)). I almost want to get another smaller one like an S1, but not sure S1 can keep up...

Thanks, I'll definitely try putting it behind me and crossing at 70 (I am getting the Noesis). If it's too distracting, then i'll hide it behind the AT screen... I also have a couple of HSU ULS 15s.. maybe I'll put those behind me instead... I dread to 'drag' the 200 lbs gorilla around the room... probably get a back injury...
post #6801 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

LOL!
Btw guys, I need to ask what speaker cable I need for the T8-lp. I saw some from bluejean cable, is 12 AWG good enough? (Or they have 10 AWG)
Mono price also had 12 and 14 AWG... And much cheaper. What should I get?

I use a lot of Monoprice cables,etc... and have nothing but good things to say about their products and service. I would just get a 12awg from monoprice and use the savings in other parts of your system.
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^^^ A good suggestion. Just make sure if you are running in-wall anywhere that the wire is CL-2 rated
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I have bought a majority of my wires/cables through Blue Jeans Cable and the rest are Monoprice...

IMO, both companies are excellent sources for all your A/V cable needs...
post #6804 of 18368
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I use a lot of Monoprice cables,etc... and have nothing but good things to say about their products and service. I would just get a 12awg from monoprice and use the savings in other parts of your system.
Thx guys! Monoprice will certainly save a bunch. I am intrigued by the welding of plugs by bluejeans, but I guess it might not matter too much?
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

^^^ A good suggestion. Just make sure if you are running in-wall anywhere that the wire is CL-2 rated

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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I have bought a majority of my wires/cables through Blue Jeans Cable and the rest are Monoprice...

IMO, both companies are excellent sources for all your A/V cable needs...
post #6805 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Thx guys! Monoprice will certainly save a bunch. I am intrigued by the welding of plugs by bluejeans, but I guess it might not matter too much?

fyi monoprice has some 12awg pro speaker cable tucked away, the stuff is very well built!
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10244

terminated with speakon but can easily be taken off
post #6806 of 18368
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

fyi monoprice has some 12awg pro speaker cable tucked away, the stuff is very well built!
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10244

terminated with speakon but can easily be taken off

Thanks! You are talking about the PID 8770, correct?
I chat with the tech support, but they said that the speakon connector cannot be taken off... so, i am confused. So, I assume you had tried and taken those off?
post #6807 of 18368
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Thanks! You are talking about the PID 8770, correct?
I chat with the tech support, but they said that the speakon connector cannot be taken off... so, i am confused. So, I assume you had tried and taken those off?

Pretty sure it is just standard speaker wire with the connections on the end. Take a pair of scissors and snip..snip and you have standard speaker wire left smile.gif
post #6808 of 18368
I apologize if this has already be discussed somewhere in this thread, but has anyone talked about/compared the Catalysts vs Noesis? I realize there probably hasn't been a head to head comparison done since the Noesis is so new, but can anyone who has heard both post their thoughts? I've been leaning towards the Catalysts for awhile, but now with the introduction of the Noesis that are significantly less expensive, I'm very interested to hear opinions on how they compare. Thanks.
post #6809 of 18368
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I apologize if this has already be discussed somewhere in this thread, but has anyone talked about/compared the Catalysts vs Noesis? I realize there probably hasn't been a head to head comparison done since the Noesis is so new, but can anyone who has heard both post their thoughts? I've been leaning towards the Catalysts for awhile, but now with the introduction of the Noesis that are significantly less expensive, I'm very interested to hear opinions on how they compare. Thanks.

Their is a thread started with a discussion on both brands...that might help you some.

I would think direct comparisons are going to be hard to find. It seems like a few folks on here have heard both, but I believe only 6 or 7 pairs of the Noesis speakers have been shipped. At least that is what Jeff told me the other day when I was lookng for somebody close to me with them...

RMK seems to be one that has heard both and he owns the Noesis speakers...... I have heard an excellent setup consisting of the Cat12's and will be getitng a demo of the T12's tomorrow...
post #6810 of 18368
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I apologize if this has already be discussed somewhere in this thread, but has anyone talked about/compared the Catalysts vs Noesis? I realize there probably hasn't been a head to head comparison done since the Noesis is so new, but can anyone who has heard both post their thoughts? I've been leaning towards the Catalysts for awhile, but now with the introduction of the Noesis that are significantly less expensive, I'm very interested to hear opinions on how they compare. Thanks.

Archaea has heard both, although at different times and he has heard the Noesis a ton more. We've talked quite a bit about the comparison between the two. I'll let him comment on it, I don't want to speak for him.

.... so I guess this post was worthless.... tongue.gif
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