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post #6811 of 8265
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I too am getting an Orbit Shifter... do you have problems identifying the bass location by putting it directly behind you? What frequency did you cross? Did you think 1 OS was enough?
I do have some locality issue, as I am crossing at 80. This is in fact one of my concerns with T8-LP go down to 78, but I want to try 70. I talked to Jeff and he said since I plan to mount it, I will have more mid bass so it should be ok.
Yes, one is enough, but the seat to seat variation is more than a few dB (my wife did not care much so I optimize for my seat only:)). I almost want to get another smaller one like an S1, but not sure S1 can keep up...
post #6812 of 8265
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

It would be awesome if you could stack another OS on top of that one with the port at head height when seated on the couch. Then add a lab gruppen 14k amp for all the sats including your new neosis front stage. eek.gif Actually the T8lp's would be a great addition. I used to run that speaker for center channel and it will pound out extreme detail clarity and spl to compliment your OS.
LOL!
Btw guys, I need to ask what speaker cable I need for the T8-lp. I saw some from bluejean cable, is 12 AWG good enough? (Or they have 10 AWG)
Mono price also had 12 and 14 AWG... And much cheaper. What should I get?
post #6813 of 8265
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I do have some locality issue, as I am crossing at 80. This is in fact one of my concerns with T8-LP go down to 78, but I want to try 70. I talked to Jeff and he said since I plan to mount it, I will have more mid bass so it should be ok.
Yes, one is enough, but the seat to seat variation is more than a few dB (my wife did not care much so I optimize for my seat only:)). I almost want to get another smaller one like an S1, but not sure S1 can keep up...

Thanks, I'll definitely try putting it behind me and crossing at 70 (I am getting the Noesis). If it's too distracting, then i'll hide it behind the AT screen... I also have a couple of HSU ULS 15s.. maybe I'll put those behind me instead... I dread to 'drag' the 200 lbs gorilla around the room... probably get a back injury...
post #6814 of 8265
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

LOL!
Btw guys, I need to ask what speaker cable I need for the T8-lp. I saw some from bluejean cable, is 12 AWG good enough? (Or they have 10 AWG)
Mono price also had 12 and 14 AWG... And much cheaper. What should I get?

I use a lot of Monoprice cables,etc... and have nothing but good things to say about their products and service. I would just get a 12awg from monoprice and use the savings in other parts of your system.
post #6815 of 8265
^^^ A good suggestion. Just make sure if you are running in-wall anywhere that the wire is CL-2 rated
post #6816 of 8265
I have bought a majority of my wires/cables through Blue Jeans Cable and the rest are Monoprice...

IMO, both companies are excellent sources for all your A/V cable needs...
post #6817 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I use a lot of Monoprice cables,etc... and have nothing but good things to say about their products and service. I would just get a 12awg from monoprice and use the savings in other parts of your system.
Thx guys! Monoprice will certainly save a bunch. I am intrigued by the welding of plugs by bluejeans, but I guess it might not matter too much?
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

^^^ A good suggestion. Just make sure if you are running in-wall anywhere that the wire is CL-2 rated

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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I have bought a majority of my wires/cables through Blue Jeans Cable and the rest are Monoprice...

IMO, both companies are excellent sources for all your A/V cable needs...
post #6818 of 8265
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Thx guys! Monoprice will certainly save a bunch. I am intrigued by the welding of plugs by bluejeans, but I guess it might not matter too much?

fyi monoprice has some 12awg pro speaker cable tucked away, the stuff is very well built!
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10244

terminated with speakon but can easily be taken off
post #6819 of 8265
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

fyi monoprice has some 12awg pro speaker cable tucked away, the stuff is very well built!
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10244

terminated with speakon but can easily be taken off

Thanks! You are talking about the PID 8770, correct?
I chat with the tech support, but they said that the speakon connector cannot be taken off... so, i am confused. So, I assume you had tried and taken those off?
post #6820 of 8265
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Thanks! You are talking about the PID 8770, correct?
I chat with the tech support, but they said that the speakon connector cannot be taken off... so, i am confused. So, I assume you had tried and taken those off?

Pretty sure it is just standard speaker wire with the connections on the end. Take a pair of scissors and snip..snip and you have standard speaker wire left smile.gif
post #6821 of 8265
I apologize if this has already be discussed somewhere in this thread, but has anyone talked about/compared the Catalysts vs Noesis? I realize there probably hasn't been a head to head comparison done since the Noesis is so new, but can anyone who has heard both post their thoughts? I've been leaning towards the Catalysts for awhile, but now with the introduction of the Noesis that are significantly less expensive, I'm very interested to hear opinions on how they compare. Thanks.
post #6822 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I apologize if this has already be discussed somewhere in this thread, but has anyone talked about/compared the Catalysts vs Noesis? I realize there probably hasn't been a head to head comparison done since the Noesis is so new, but can anyone who has heard both post their thoughts? I've been leaning towards the Catalysts for awhile, but now with the introduction of the Noesis that are significantly less expensive, I'm very interested to hear opinions on how they compare. Thanks.

Their is a thread started with a discussion on both brands...that might help you some.

I would think direct comparisons are going to be hard to find. It seems like a few folks on here have heard both, but I believe only 6 or 7 pairs of the Noesis speakers have been shipped. At least that is what Jeff told me the other day when I was lookng for somebody close to me with them...

RMK seems to be one that has heard both and he owns the Noesis speakers...... I have heard an excellent setup consisting of the Cat12's and will be getitng a demo of the T12's tomorrow...
post #6823 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I apologize if this has already be discussed somewhere in this thread, but has anyone talked about/compared the Catalysts vs Noesis? I realize there probably hasn't been a head to head comparison done since the Noesis is so new, but can anyone who has heard both post their thoughts? I've been leaning towards the Catalysts for awhile, but now with the introduction of the Noesis that are significantly less expensive, I'm very interested to hear opinions on how they compare. Thanks.

Archaea has heard both, although at different times and he has heard the Noesis a ton more. We've talked quite a bit about the comparison between the two. I'll let him comment on it, I don't want to speak for him.

.... so I guess this post was worthless.... tongue.gif
post #6824 of 8265
I've heard both but again at different times. The Cats are awesome! but so are the Noesis! lol. I do have to say, i though the Cats and the Noesis were very similar in the mid-bass department, they both need subs.
post #6825 of 8265
Hmmm, $4,400 for a couple Noesis or upgrade my Q8s and T8 with crossovers and a new Panasonic 65"VT50 Plasma? What to do.
post #6826 of 8265
I tend to judge high end speakers on the "chill' or "goosebump" principle. You can probably stop a chill from happening, but you can't initiate one by will. If a speaker makes me get chills in an audition I know it's a fantastic match with my ear and likes!

Yet --- Speakers are very subjective. What I like, what revs my engine, may not do anything for you. That's never been more evident than at the blind meet in Des Moines recently. I felt the JTR speaker were an absolute clean sweep over the Salk speakers in the A/B blind meet. 50% of the time I had chills with the Noesis and I never got a single chill at any time during the Salk audition at that meet. I absolutely thought the VAST majority of the attendees would say the same --- that they loved the first speaker audition --- when the results were revealed and we began discussing our favorites. it was such a hands down clear victory in my mind, but I learned that 6 of 11 people had voted the Noesis as their favorite and 5 of 11 had voted the Salk as their favorite on the music section. (and 7 of 9 for JTR on movies vs. 2 of 9 for Salk on movies) So take anything one person recommends with a grain of salt. Best thing to do is audition these speakers yourself and find out what pleases your ear!

I personally LOVE a live audio sound. I strongly dislike harsh treble (typical of horn tweeters or cheap tweeters), and I love feeling like I'm in an auditorium listening to live music on stage. The Noesis do well towards my subjective preferences more than any speaker I've ever heard. My top three speakers are the LS6, the Seaton Catalyst 12C and the JTR Noesis. Based on 'chill' or 'goosebump' principle it's a strong victory for the Noesis for me, but I'd be hard pressed to tell you absolutely one is better than the other, even for my own tastes, until I a/b/c'ed them back to back blind --- simply because I've experienced chills with each of these speakers, but being that the auditions were on different days, different rooms, and such - it's hard to gauge mood, energy levels, attention etc based on different days of auditions.


I heard the Catalyst 12s at the Wisconsin high end speaker meet. They were my favorite speaker there. I got chills many times and they were fantastic. In particular I remember female vocals being spectacular. Here is my writeup:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1324185/se-wi-tower-speaker-gtg/980_20#post_21911730

Though, not the focus of the other meets - I have heard the JTR Noesis at several meets; Omaha, Pennsylvania, Des Moines, and KC. I've had the Noesis in my own room for about a week. They are likely my favorite speaker I've ever heard, and if I had the coin I'd spring for them right now. I probably had chills for 20 minutes of 40 minutes at the Des Moines blind meet when auditioning these speakers (50% of a the audition leading to chilling, uncontrollable smiles, neck hair raising, pee stream finishing chills/involuntary shake is a first at any of the many audio meets I'd attended) and I had no verification/confirmation which speaker was which until after the blind testing concluded. I just KNEW I personally loved everything about them. On that experience and my several other VERY positive experiences I really admire the Noesis. Here is that writeup:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3460_20#post_22789496
post #6827 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Kathy View Post

Hmmm, $4,400 for a couple Noesis or upgrade my Q8s and T8 with crossovers and a new Panasonic 65"VT50 Plasma? What to do.
Hey Kathy, good to see you on the forum again. If you get the Noesis I might have to come over for an audition. smile.gif
post #6828 of 8265
"Pee stream finishing chills/involuntary shake"

That is so funny man, I know people say "I laughed out loud" a lot, but I really did. Awesome, that belongs in your signature. biggrin.gif

Hey, since that guy sold out from under you, there is no choice but to get the Noesis! wink.gif
post #6829 of 8265
No longer will people post that they are looking for speakers that image well, have a huge soundstage, or punchy bass - instead it will be "I want pee stream finishing chills!!!"
post #6830 of 8265
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

"Pee stream finishing chills/involuntary shake"

That is so funny man, I know people say "I laughed out loud" a lot, but I really did. Awesome, that belongs in your signature. biggrin.gif

Hey, since that guy sold out from under you, there is no choice but to get the Noesis! wink.gif

Lol here too!!!
post #6831 of 8265
Repeat 3x

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

OK, I feel better now...
post #6832 of 8265
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Repeat 3x

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

OK, I feel better now...

Haha, seanile I tried saying stuff like that too but I didn't believe me! biggrin.gif
post #6833 of 8265
I'm pretty tied up now in upgrades to other parts of my system thanks to Gorilla83. I knew I should have declined his invite to come over. Damn, his DIY subs and the punch of his system is incredible. 6 months ago if you would have told me I would be heading towards 8 18" drivers, a Denon 4311 and another Crest CC4000 amp I would have thought you were insane. Yet here I am 4 18" drivers into this and want more. This entire website is bad for me.
post #6834 of 8265
I know what you mean, I have 8 18" drivers that are supposed to be delivered tomorrow.
post #6835 of 8265
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Lol here too!!!

too funny, maybe the new promo will be a set of neosis speakers and some free diapers to wear while auditioning. This forum is the best!!
post #6836 of 8265
While I am waiting for the neosis, this weekend I am going to make sure the false wall is completely ready for the new installation. I have already built it about 1 1/2 in deeper to accomadate the vented version but I have to still finish some of the acoustic material installation. I will take pictures and you will laugh when you see my def tech BP2's (surrounds) being used as front L&R. They look so tiny in the cutouts I have for the vented Neosis. Believe me I am noty haveing the same experience as RMKK did when he moved the S8's up front! These things cry like a baby. It's like taking a clapped out mx bike from 1972 and coming up a little short on a modern SX triple. mad.gif WHEN YOU SEE THE SETUP YOU MIGHT LAUGH SO HARD YOU NEED A DIAPER!
post #6837 of 8265
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

While I am waiting for the neosis, this weekend I am going to make sure the false wall is completely ready for the new installation. I have already built it about 1 1/2 in deeper to accomadate the vented version but I have to still finish some of the acoustic material installation. I will take pictures and you will laugh when you see my def tech BP2's (surrounds) being used as front L&R. They look so tiny in the cutouts I have for the vented Neosis. Believe me I am noty haveing the same experience as RMKK did when he moved the S8's up front! These things cry like a baby. It's like taking a clapped out mx bike from 1972 and coming up a little short on a modern SX triple. mad.gif WHEN YOU SEE THE SETUP YOU MIGHT LAUGH SO HARD YOU NEED A DIAPER!

Actually I used T8-LP's as mains and a Slanted 8 as center. It did sound remarkably good and some of my HT regulars didn't even notice the difference at normal listening volumes ,,, but I did wink.gif.

What's the hold up on your Noesis? BMS drivers or your switching from sealed to vented?
post #6838 of 8265
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Actually I used T8-LP's as mains and a Slanted 8 as center. It did sound remarkably good and some of my HT regulars didn't even notice the difference at normal listening volumes ,,, but I did wink.gif.

What's the hold up on your Noesis? BMS drivers or your switching from sealed to vented?

Thanks for the clarification on the t8 vs s8 in the front LR.

I think the longest lead time for my order was the drivers (3wks) I think Jeff said two weeks on the cabinet so he probably has that already. So one more week for the driver, then another week to build. I think I will have them before the end of the month, starting to get a little anxious.
post #6839 of 8265
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Thanks for the clarification on the t8 vs s8 in the front LR.

I think the longest lead time for my order was the drivers (3wks) I think Jeff said two weeks on the cabinet so he probably has that already. So one more week for the driver, then another week to build. I think I will have them before the end of the month, starting to get a little anxious.

Thats cool and I think you made a good call on the vented vs sealed. The small difference in mid-bass just might be worth the larger size. Turns out that for some of us, you can't have too much of a good thing ... biggrin.gif
post #6840 of 8265
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Thats cool and I think you made a good call on the vented vs sealed. The small difference in mid-bass just might be worth the larger size. Turns out that for some of us, you can't have too much of a good thing ... biggrin.gif

I must admit I am curious to see if the vented makes much difference in my room. I really listen to alot of music and that is where i like a lot of midbass so we'll see. I think I have a consistent enough measuring set up and procedure to make an in room comparison of that part (60-150hz) of the FR between my sealed vs the new vented Neosis. We'll see, I mostly just did it out of curiousity and see if I could lower the xo to the subs 5-10 hz. I have one sub near field it does help reduce localization even going from 80 down to 75 or 70hz. Should be fun. Yours and Carps experience with the Neosis is what go me interested to begin with. I did get a quick demo when i was at Jeff's shop of the Sealed Neosis. It was very smooth yet detaled in the mid and upper region, can't wait to get it home and try them out with famiiar material.
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