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post #6811 of 18374
I've heard both but again at different times. The Cats are awesome! but so are the Noesis! lol. I do have to say, i though the Cats and the Noesis were very similar in the mid-bass department, they both need subs.
post #6812 of 18374
Hmmm, $4,400 for a couple Noesis or upgrade my Q8s and T8 with crossovers and a new Panasonic 65"VT50 Plasma? What to do.
post #6813 of 18374
I tend to judge high end speakers on the "chill' or "goosebump" principle. You can probably stop a chill from happening, but you can't initiate one by will. If a speaker makes me get chills in an audition I know it's a fantastic match with my ear and likes!

Yet --- Speakers are very subjective. What I like, what revs my engine, may not do anything for you. That's never been more evident than at the blind meet in Des Moines recently. I felt the JTR speaker were an absolute clean sweep over the Salk speakers in the A/B blind meet. 50% of the time I had chills with the Noesis and I never got a single chill at any time during the Salk audition at that meet. I absolutely thought the VAST majority of the attendees would say the same --- that they loved the first speaker audition --- when the results were revealed and we began discussing our favorites. it was such a hands down clear victory in my mind, but I learned that 6 of 11 people had voted the Noesis as their favorite and 5 of 11 had voted the Salk as their favorite on the music section. (and 7 of 9 for JTR on movies vs. 2 of 9 for Salk on movies) So take anything one person recommends with a grain of salt. Best thing to do is audition these speakers yourself and find out what pleases your ear!

I personally LOVE a live audio sound. I strongly dislike harsh treble (typical of horn tweeters or cheap tweeters), and I love feeling like I'm in an auditorium listening to live music on stage. The Noesis do well towards my subjective preferences more than any speaker I've ever heard. My top three speakers are the LS6, the Seaton Catalyst 12C and the JTR Noesis. Based on 'chill' or 'goosebump' principle it's a strong victory for the Noesis for me, but I'd be hard pressed to tell you absolutely one is better than the other, even for my own tastes, until I a/b/c'ed them back to back blind --- simply because I've experienced chills with each of these speakers, but being that the auditions were on different days, different rooms, and such - it's hard to gauge mood, energy levels, attention etc based on different days of auditions.


I heard the Catalyst 12s at the Wisconsin high end speaker meet. They were my favorite speaker there. I got chills many times and they were fantastic. In particular I remember female vocals being spectacular. Here is my writeup:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1324185/se-wi-tower-speaker-gtg/980_20#post_21911730

Though, not the focus of the other meets - I have heard the JTR Noesis at several meets; Omaha, Pennsylvania, Des Moines, and KC. I've had the Noesis in my own room for about a week. They are likely my favorite speaker I've ever heard, and if I had the coin I'd spring for them right now. I probably had chills for 20 minutes of 40 minutes at the Des Moines blind meet when auditioning these speakers (50% of a the audition leading to chilling, uncontrollable smiles, neck hair raising, pee stream finishing chills/involuntary shake is a first at any of the many audio meets I'd attended) and I had no verification/confirmation which speaker was which until after the blind testing concluded. I just KNEW I personally loved everything about them. On that experience and my several other VERY positive experiences I really admire the Noesis. Here is that writeup:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/871474/ia-meet/3460_20#post_22789496
post #6814 of 18374
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Originally Posted by Kathy View Post

Hmmm, $4,400 for a couple Noesis or upgrade my Q8s and T8 with crossovers and a new Panasonic 65"VT50 Plasma? What to do.
Hey Kathy, good to see you on the forum again. If you get the Noesis I might have to come over for an audition. smile.gif
post #6815 of 18374
"Pee stream finishing chills/involuntary shake"

That is so funny man, I know people say "I laughed out loud" a lot, but I really did. Awesome, that belongs in your signature. biggrin.gif

Hey, since that guy sold out from under you, there is no choice but to get the Noesis! wink.gif
post #6816 of 18374
No longer will people post that they are looking for speakers that image well, have a huge soundstage, or punchy bass - instead it will be "I want pee stream finishing chills!!!"
post #6817 of 18374
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

"Pee stream finishing chills/involuntary shake"

That is so funny man, I know people say "I laughed out loud" a lot, but I really did. Awesome, that belongs in your signature. biggrin.gif

Hey, since that guy sold out from under you, there is no choice but to get the Noesis! wink.gif

Lol here too!!!
post #6818 of 18374
Repeat 3x

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

OK, I feel better now...
post #6819 of 18374
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Repeat 3x

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

I am not tempted to buy Neosis

OK, I feel better now...

Haha, seanile I tried saying stuff like that too but I didn't believe me! biggrin.gif
post #6820 of 18374
I'm pretty tied up now in upgrades to other parts of my system thanks to Gorilla83. I knew I should have declined his invite to come over. Damn, his DIY subs and the punch of his system is incredible. 6 months ago if you would have told me I would be heading towards 8 18" drivers, a Denon 4311 and another Crest CC4000 amp I would have thought you were insane. Yet here I am 4 18" drivers into this and want more. This entire website is bad for me.
post #6821 of 18374
I know what you mean, I have 8 18" drivers that are supposed to be delivered tomorrow.
post #6822 of 18374
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Lol here too!!!

too funny, maybe the new promo will be a set of neosis speakers and some free diapers to wear while auditioning. This forum is the best!!
post #6823 of 18374
While I am waiting for the neosis, this weekend I am going to make sure the false wall is completely ready for the new installation. I have already built it about 1 1/2 in deeper to accomadate the vented version but I have to still finish some of the acoustic material installation. I will take pictures and you will laugh when you see my def tech BP2's (surrounds) being used as front L&R. They look so tiny in the cutouts I have for the vented Neosis. Believe me I am noty haveing the same experience as RMKK did when he moved the S8's up front! These things cry like a baby. It's like taking a clapped out mx bike from 1972 and coming up a little short on a modern SX triple. mad.gif WHEN YOU SEE THE SETUP YOU MIGHT LAUGH SO HARD YOU NEED A DIAPER!
post #6824 of 18374
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

While I am waiting for the neosis, this weekend I am going to make sure the false wall is completely ready for the new installation. I have already built it about 1 1/2 in deeper to accomadate the vented version but I have to still finish some of the acoustic material installation. I will take pictures and you will laugh when you see my def tech BP2's (surrounds) being used as front L&R. They look so tiny in the cutouts I have for the vented Neosis. Believe me I am noty haveing the same experience as RMKK did when he moved the S8's up front! These things cry like a baby. It's like taking a clapped out mx bike from 1972 and coming up a little short on a modern SX triple. mad.gif WHEN YOU SEE THE SETUP YOU MIGHT LAUGH SO HARD YOU NEED A DIAPER!

Actually I used T8-LP's as mains and a Slanted 8 as center. It did sound remarkably good and some of my HT regulars didn't even notice the difference at normal listening volumes ,,, but I did wink.gif.

What's the hold up on your Noesis? BMS drivers or your switching from sealed to vented?
post #6825 of 18374
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Actually I used T8-LP's as mains and a Slanted 8 as center. It did sound remarkably good and some of my HT regulars didn't even notice the difference at normal listening volumes ,,, but I did wink.gif.

What's the hold up on your Noesis? BMS drivers or your switching from sealed to vented?

Thanks for the clarification on the t8 vs s8 in the front LR.

I think the longest lead time for my order was the drivers (3wks) I think Jeff said two weeks on the cabinet so he probably has that already. So one more week for the driver, then another week to build. I think I will have them before the end of the month, starting to get a little anxious.
post #6826 of 18374
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Thanks for the clarification on the t8 vs s8 in the front LR.

I think the longest lead time for my order was the drivers (3wks) I think Jeff said two weeks on the cabinet so he probably has that already. So one more week for the driver, then another week to build. I think I will have them before the end of the month, starting to get a little anxious.

Thats cool and I think you made a good call on the vented vs sealed. The small difference in mid-bass just might be worth the larger size. Turns out that for some of us, you can't have too much of a good thing ... biggrin.gif
post #6827 of 18374
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Thats cool and I think you made a good call on the vented vs sealed. The small difference in mid-bass just might be worth the larger size. Turns out that for some of us, you can't have too much of a good thing ... biggrin.gif

I must admit I am curious to see if the vented makes much difference in my room. I really listen to alot of music and that is where i like a lot of midbass so we'll see. I think I have a consistent enough measuring set up and procedure to make an in room comparison of that part (60-150hz) of the FR between my sealed vs the new vented Neosis. We'll see, I mostly just did it out of curiousity and see if I could lower the xo to the subs 5-10 hz. I have one sub near field it does help reduce localization even going from 80 down to 75 or 70hz. Should be fun. Yours and Carps experience with the Neosis is what go me interested to begin with. I did get a quick demo when i was at Jeff's shop of the Sealed Neosis. It was very smooth yet detaled in the mid and upper region, can't wait to get it home and try them out with famiiar material.
post #6828 of 18374
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I know what you mean, I have 8 18" drivers that are supposed to be delivered tomorrow.
Eight 18 in subs!!!! Your going to need to update your earthquake insurance,are you building a IB system or are they going to be in sub enclosures?
post #6829 of 18374
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

Eight 18 in subs!!!! Your going to need to update your earthquake insurance,are you building a IB system or are they going to be in sub enclosures?

I'm going to go with 8 separate boxes for maximum flexibility with placement. IB is not an option for my room.

post #6830 of 18374
Wow,I know where to go if I need a kidney stone busted!!! Im sure its going to be great.
post #6831 of 18374
It really seems like there are a lot of us upgrading speakers and subs lately. Got my 2 CHT 18.2 subs a week ago and love them. Looking to add 4 more 18.1's as soon as my Caps sell. That'll give me the JTR Triple 12LF for LCR, B&W DM603s rears and a total of 8 18" drivers for subs. After adding the additional 4 subs I really think the upgrading will be done.
post #6832 of 18374
OH MY.... That is some serious bass...
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post #6833 of 18374
I just talked to Jeff and my second S2 will ship next Friday (he was waiting on drivers from BMS). Still pales in comparison to what I am seeing from Carp eek.gifeek.gifsmile.gif
post #6834 of 18374
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I just talked to Jeff and my second S2 will ship next Friday (he was waiting on drivers from BMS). Still pales in comparison to what I am seeing from Carp eek.gifeek.gifsmile.gif

Maybe, maybe not ... for some bass is an addiction, the more they have, the more they need.
I think some folks here need an intervention ... wink.gif
post #6835 of 18374
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I just talked to Jeff and my second S2 will ship next Friday (he was waiting on drivers from BMS). Still pales in comparison to what I am seeing from Carp eek.gifeek.gifsmile.gif

I am doing the same too biggrin.gif haha

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Maybe, maybe not ... for some bass is an addiction, the more they have, the more they need.
I think some folks here need an intervention ... wink.gif

Oh stop it....First step is to admit you have a problem, which I don't lol
post #6836 of 18374
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Maybe, maybe not ... for some bass is an addiction, the more they have, the more they need.
I think some folks here need an intervention ... wink.gif

50% of the reason I was getting a second S2 was the fill the visual hole in my set-up (as you can see from the picture below). The other 50% was because I can smile.gif

One S2 has plenty of bass for my listening habbits. Part of it was to smooth out the frequency response. Problem of course is now I need a Marantz AV8801 with xt32...my current Marantz AV7005 only has XT. It never ends smile.gif


post #6837 of 18374
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I am doing the same too biggrin.gif haha

I know you are..I saw your subwoofer porn...remember tongue.gif
post #6838 of 18374
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I just talked to Jeff and my second S2 will ship next Friday (he was waiting on drivers from BMS). Still pales in comparison to what I am seeing from Carp eek.gifeek.gifsmile.gif

Actually, we will have similar output. We tested a dual opposed 18" dayton sub (the dayton drivers are tested to be almost exactly like mine) and the output was just a touch more than my Submersive. 2 Submersives have the same output as 1 Cap Sealed 2. So, it would take 4 of my drivers to have a bit more output than 1 of your S2's.

So, 8 SI drivers equals a bit more than 2 Cap S2's.

The reason why I went this route was the price. I paid 1400 dollars shipped for all 8 drivers. If I could have afforded it I would have just bought 2 more Submersives and had quads, instead I'm selling the Submersives to fund this project. I already sold one, and if I like what I hear with the first couple SI subs I'll sell the other Submersive.
post #6839 of 18374
After reading and looking at the subs you guys have my 2 svs subs with duel 12 in drivers seams like babies,but my room is only 11.5 x 23 x 8 ft
post #6840 of 18374
The upgrades are never done it seems.



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