Official JTR speaker thread - Page 230

Originally Posted by Frohlich 

I have a Noesis question. To current owners, I know they get get great reviews. I am honestly 99% HT and gaming. I do listening to music but not all that critically or for long durations. So if the Noesis is a nice step up from the T12s for music...is the jump nearly as big for movies? It is been my experience from past speakers I have owned, that for two channel music, the speaker differences were pretty significant but for HT comparisons, those same speakers sounded a lot closer to each other. Do you agree that is the case with the Noesis?

Originally Posted by Frohlich 

Sounds like we could do an all JTR golf outing

Originally Posted by MKtheater 

2 SI drivers have more output than a single LMS 5400 which should have more output than a cap sealed driver. So yeah, your 8 subs would have more output than dual Cap2's. How much is guessing but I will say maybe 2-3 dBs at 10hz.

Originally Posted by lbrown105 

this is the same question I had although I do listen to a lot of music too, I was still curious if the difference would be more noticeable in music or movies. I had the T12lp LCR and am moving to the vented Neosis 212. I should be able to give you my opinion in about 2-3 weeks time.

Originally Posted by SeaNile 

In all fairness, I do play golf but just started last July. I've got about 10 rounds under my belt and I am terrible at this point. Joined my local CC and hope to get out there a few times a week once spring comes. Being is sales has it's perks! Also will take a few lessons once the weather warms up a bit.

I'm strongly considering a 7-10 day trip to London/Dublin/Paris to see Roger Waters perform The Wall a few more times but if I do not do that a golf/stereo trip sounds like fun. If you guys ever make it out the the Philadelphia area we could hit my country club and then go and hang out on the boat.

Originally Posted by KevinH 

I own the Academy of Golf Dynamics....a Golf Magazine Top 25 golf school.....if y'all want to work on your games too! lmao

Originally Posted by SeaNile 

In all fairness, I do play golf but just started last July. I've got about 10 rounds under my belt and I am terrible at this point. Joined my local CC and hope to get out there a few times a week once spring comes. Being is sales has it's perks! Also will take a few lessons once the weather warms up a bit.

I'm strongly considering a 7-10 day trip to London/Dublin/Paris to see Roger Waters perform The Wall a few more times but if I do not do that a golf/stereo trip sounds like fun. If you guys ever make it out the the Philadelphia area we could hit my country club and then go and hang out on the boat.

Originally Posted by RMK! 

If I'm Roger Waters, I'd be startin to get a little nervous about you SeaNIle ...

Originally Posted by beastaudio 

Wait, you OWN the school? I am definitely in need of some work. Lost all my power. I could hit the ball further when I was 12 than I can now, and I am only 30, so my strength has started deteriorating yet. Think it might be a "casting" issue.
Might be headed up that way for a g2g south of Philly in April I wish my local CC wasn't so darn expensive or I would already be a member.

For a trip, Myrtle Beach has eleventy billion courses on the SC coast and the beach is beautiful to boot, for those looking just for golf, as there are no JTR speakers in Myrtle Beach that I am aware of...

Originally Posted by Gorilla83 

Beast - John (Seanile) lives 5 minutes from me. He will be there as well.

Originally Posted by lbrown105 


How would that 8 sub set up compare to 1 OS in the 20-80hz range. I know Jeff said it would take 2 Cap S2's to equal 1 OS in that freq range.

Originally Posted by lukeamdman

RMK was gracious enough to give a demo of his system tonight. I was in the Sacramento area for work and sent him a PM.
There were two things I wanted to hear, and both happen to be JTR products… The Triple12, and the OS. It just so happens, he recently sold the T12s and has bran new Neosis for LCR. Even better!
First off, his theater room is awesome. Aesthetically pleasing, spacious, great acoustics after what he’s done to it, and the AT screen is just beautiful. My theater room, called “the dungeon”, or “the scary room” by my wife, looks even worse now, and that shouldn’t be possible. Thanks a lot, Rob…
Anyway, on to my impressions, and I think Jeff did a fantastic job with the Neosis. I’ve been dabbling in the DIY world, most recently working on building crossovers, and for the 12s in the Neosis to blend in as well and they do with the CD, Jeff is really doing a quality job with that crossover. Just amazing. I don’t want to guess as to how many hours he put into R&D for the crossover for this speaker! Highs were crisp and clean, not harsh, and the mids blended seamlessly and were very detailed. At several points in the demo Rob exceeded +5db in the main volume, and Neosis didn’t even blink. Never sounded strained or distorted ever.
As for the bass, I feel I’ve heard the best of what’s out there, and I wasn’t expecting to being impressed by two 18s, regardless of their configuration. I was definitely wrong! For starters, the obit shifters are HUGE. Pictures don’t paint the whole picture here. Second, having never heard a horn loaded sub before, they do have a “unique” sound to them, and I’m saying that in a completely positive way. Great punch, great detail, and great sub 20hz response and tactile feel. I know for a fact that at certain points in the demo the orbit shifters exceeded 125db, and they did so effortlessly. Considering I have quad LMS 5400s and 16kw worth of power feeding them, I didn’t expect two 18s and half the power to accomplish what they did. I may have to build four “gjallarhorn” enclosures for my 5400s now
Thanks for the demo, Rob!

And, this post in the DIY Section:
Quote:
A trip over to RMK’s place a couple days ago got the wheels turning. Long story short, two JTR Orbit Shifters, which combined is two 18” drivers and 8kw of power, gave my quad 18’s and 16kw of power a run for their money! To be more specific, I feel his setup had greater output above 30hz, and mine had greater output from the mid 20’s on down.

The efficiency of the horn design definitely impressed me, so I started to look around. It didn’t take me long to find the GJALLARGORN on Ricci’s data-bass.com. From his measurements, just one gjallarhorn will outperform all four of my sealed 5400s from 16-40hz-ish, and obviously with far less power.

The plan is two build two of these, and re-use two of the 5400s from one of my sealed cabinets. That means I’ll still have two other sealed 5400s powered by a LG clone, which can help cover the top 60-80hz portion where the gjallarhorn may need some help. The only investment for me is the cost of the wood.

Ricci already emailed me the detailed plans, so all I have to do is find 4x8 sheets of quality Baltic birch and I’ll get started:)

Point of this being that hearing the OS's prompted this fellow to want to build a couple of Horn based subs using two of his super drivers that are currently installed in a sealed cabinet he built. I admire his abilities and understand Luke's priorities. For some of us, just buying something that performs at the level of the OS's is the best course. In any case, this just provides a bit more information for someone looking for a sub like the OS. cool.gif





I don't mind at all.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't watching for the clip lights on the OS...

Just when I thought those 4kw amps would for sure be out of juice, you'd turn them up even more! And guess what, clip lights never blinked, not once.

The next day after I got home I played the Daedmau5 track in that DVD, the "Ghost 'N' stuff" Nero remix, until I saw clip lights on the LG amps. I admit, the orbit shifters had more output, and they were in a larger room than mine.

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Are you saying your audio memory is better than mine?

The guy that bought my Triple 12's is willing to bring them back for an AB test. He is having surgery next Friday and will be down for a few weeks but we were thinking late Feb, early March would work.

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Humm, JTR open house this summer and a couple of days of G in the greater Madison area? Must be some nice courses in the area.

Or go to Austin (maybe not middle of summer ). Some great courses there.

Originally Posted by carp 

Using my fuzzy math, my 8 drivers have a little more output than 2 Cap 2 sealed subs. 2 Cap 2 Sealed subs have the same output as an Orbit Shifter above 20hz according to Jeff.


So, the 8 drivers would have just a little more ouptut than a single Orbit Shifter - BUT - that would only be the case if I co-located them all, like 2 stacks of 4 in the same corner, or 4 dual opposed in the same corner. I don't think I'm going to configure them that way....

Now, under 20 hz the 8 drivers will have the advantage, just like the Cap 2 sealed has the advantage vs the Orbit Shifter. Basically, I'm getting a bit more output than dual Cap 2's, or 4 Submersives for way less money. Will the sound quality be there? That remains to be seen, but if they sound like the Dayton drivers (and early reports say they do) then I'm golden.

Originally Posted by SeaNile 

The upgrades are never done it seems.

Originally Posted by COACH2369 

Going back and forth between the T8'S/T12's or the Noesis has been quite exhausting for sure. I have a T12 demo tomorrow, which should either help tremendously or increase the challenge of picking which model to go with...

Maybe I won't like the sound at all and stick with my Klipsch speakers...

Originally Posted by Jedirun 

This and Frolich's room make me sad that all of my stuff is hidden behind the screen. Oh well, if it wasn't my wife wouldn't let it in the house.

Originally Posted by COACH2369 

I am on Frolich's team then. LOL.

Us Cincy guys need to stick together.

Hey Frohlich, do you belong to Kenwood CC by chance?

Originally Posted by KevinH 

My game is pretty rusty lol. My biz partner was an All-American at UT though...he was a senior when Justin Leonard was a frosh.....he can golf his ball!

Originally Posted by SeaNile 

In all fairness, I do play golf but just started last July. I've got about 10 rounds under my belt and I am terrible at this point. Joined my local CC and hope to get out there a few times a week once spring comes. Being is sales has it's perks! Also will take a few lessons once the weather warms up a bit.

I'm strongly considering a 7-10 day trip to London/Dublin/Paris to see Roger Waters perform The Wall a few more times but if I do not do that a golf/stereo trip sounds like fun. If you guys ever make it out the the Philadelphia area we could hit my country club and then go and hang out on the boat.

Originally Posted by SeaNile 

It's all about balancing the WAF and the WTF factors. I'd love to start over, have an AT screen and build a huge wall of speakers behind the screen. Not seeing anything would rate high on the WAF but starting over and buying more stuff would also rate high on the WTF scale. Generally speaking things that are high on the WTF scale are more challenging to "get approval" on for those that need approval in the WAF category. Still learning this crap after almost 10 years of marriage.

Originally Posted by Frohlich 

I am guessing your being modest. I am sure you would clean up with us hacks. I tend to float around a 7 handicap but some days I look like a 2 and some days I look like a 20....a maddening but endearing game.

Originally Posted by Frohlich 

I do not but I have played it many times. I also have played Camargo several times. It's good to knowz people I play mostly with a group of guys that likes to rotate courses every weekend. Since you know the area, we play Legendary, Shaker Run, Lassing, Blue Ash, Stonelick, etc.. all the time and then rotate in some CC and other rounds and my summer is shot