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post #6931 of 18527
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Purbeast, when you had your AVR unplugged, I assume you also had the speaker wires and/or the RCA outs to your amp (if you have one) unplugged as well. You will notice that the Audyssey badge probably is not showing on your display, and yes, in fact the AVR did go back to stock settings and you lost your Audyssey all together.

Yes, I had all wires unplugged as I moved it over to it's new home. No wires were in the rear of it for quite some time, not even the power.

On top of that, once I did turn it on and tested out all 7 of my wire runs from the in walls, I only had my left speaker wires plugged into the AVR and was simply plugging that into different jacks in the walls (as well as having speakers plugged in at the speaker locations) to be sure that they were all connected.

So the AVR was on for quite a bit, after being totally unplugged for over a week, with only 1 set of speaker wires plugged into it.
post #6932 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Yes, I had all wires unplugged as I moved it over to it's new home. No wires were in the rear of it for quite some time, not even the power.

On top of that, once I did turn it on and tested out all 7 of my wire runs from the in walls, I only had my left speaker wires plugged into the AVR and was simply plugging that into different jacks in the walls (as well as having speakers plugged in at the speaker locations) to be sure that they were all connected.

So the AVR was on for quite a bit, after being totally unplugged for over a week, with only 1 set of speaker wires plugged into it.

It is not a good idea to bundle power cords with speaker wire although with adequate wire sheathing it might not create a problem. You should just hook everything up and re-run Audyssey. It is good practice and with slight variations in mic positions the results are almost never the same ... smile.gif
post #6933 of 18527
Well, I finally had the opportunity to listen to a set of JTR speakers. A fellow forum member welcomed me into his home yesterday for a lunch hour demo. He has the following in his room:
3 – T12’s, 2010 models, no updates
2 – Slanted 8’s
1 – BIGGGGG Oribit Shifter

First impressions were…. They look much bigger in person, yet I like the way they look. The speakers are well built and boy do they weigh a ton!!

The OS resembles something out of a commercial A/C installation and I can only imagine how fun it was lugging that thing up the steps to the bonus room.

We listened to several scenes of some blu-rays, all movies I hadn’t seen before, and they sounded amazing. Great dynamics and plenty of bass….

Since I wanted to hear something I would be familiar with, we put in “The Dark Knight” and listened to chapter 20 or 21, where they go under ground and get ambushed by the Joker…..This is where I could tell how special these speakers are how big of an improvement they are over my Klipsch setup.

He had the CD’s on the Left and Right speaker located at the top and didn’t have the speakers on a stand. It seems like that put them at the perfect listening position for at least the first row of seats….Oh well for my second row. HaHa

After yesterday, it is quite obvious why this thread is so active. These speakers were everything they were advertised to be. It was shocking to me how much better they sounded than my Klipsch RF-7II/RC-64II setup. I do realize that they could sound different in my room, but I can’t imagine they would sound worse. If anything, they could sound a bit better.

I am sold and will be owning some VERY soon… ;-D
post #6934 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Well, I finally had the opportunity to listen to a set of JTR speakers. A fellow forum member welcomed me into his home yesterday for a lunch hour demo. He has the following in his room:
3 – T12’s, 2010 models, no updates
2 – Slanted 8’s
1 – BIGGGGG Oribit Shifter

First impressions were…. They look much bigger in person, yet I like the way they look. The speakers are well built and boy do they weigh a ton!!

The OS resembles something out of a commercial A/C installation and I can only imagine how fun it was lugging that thing up the steps to the bonus room.

We listened to several scenes of some blu-rays, all movies I hadn’t seen before, and they sounded amazing. Great dynamics and plenty of bass….

Since I wanted to hear something I would be familiar with, we put in “The Dark Knight” and listened to chapter 20 or 21, where they go under ground and get ambushed by the Joker…..This is where I could tell how special these speakers are how big of an improvement they are over my Klipsch setup.

He had the CD’s on the Left and Right speaker located at the top and didn’t have the speakers on a stand. It seems like that put them at the perfect listening position for at least the first row of seats….Oh well for my second row. HaHa

After yesterday, it is quite obvious why this thread is so active. These speakers were everything they were advertised to be. It was shocking to me how much better they sounded than my Klipsch RF-7II/RC-64II setup. I do realize that they could sound different in my room, but I can’t imagine they would sound worse. If anything, they could sound a bit better.

I am sold and will be owning some VERY soon… ;-D

Glad to hear that!
My setup will be very similar (T8-LP, Slanted8, OS) once i upgraded mine LCR from Klipsch (and I don't even have what you had.. just a RC-62 and XF48). Jeff told me it will take about a month, so I am going to order soon.
post #6935 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Well, I finally had the opportunity to listen to a set of JTR speakers. A fellow forum member welcomed me into his home yesterday for a lunch hour demo. He has the following in his room:
3 – T12’s, 2010 models, no updates
2 – Slanted 8’s
1 – BIGGGGG Oribit Shifter

First impressions were…. They look much bigger in person, yet I like the way they look. The speakers are well built and boy do they weigh a ton!!

The OS resembles something out of a commercial A/C installation and I can only imagine how fun it was lugging that thing up the steps to the bonus room.

We listened to several scenes of some blu-rays, all movies I hadn’t seen before, and they sounded amazing. Great dynamics and plenty of bass….

Since I wanted to hear something I would be familiar with, we put in “The Dark Knight” and listened to chapter 20 or 21, where they go under ground and get ambushed by the Joker…..This is where I could tell how special these speakers are how big of an improvement they are over my Klipsch setup.

He had the CD’s on the Left and Right speaker located at the top and didn’t have the speakers on a stand. It seems like that put them at the perfect listening position for at least the first row of seats….Oh well for my second row. HaHa

After yesterday, it is quite obvious why this thread is so active. These speakers were everything they were advertised to be. It was shocking to me how much better they sounded than my Klipsch RF-7II/RC-64II setup. I do realize that they could sound different in my room, but I can’t imagine they would sound worse. If anything, they could sound a bit better.

I am sold and will be owning some VERY soon… ;-D

What were your impressions of those SLanted 8's as the surrounds? How far away from the listening position were they?

The reason I'm asking is because I have T12's as my front 3 and am not 100% set on surrounds yet. Would like to hear what you think about them as far as surrounds go

And yes, I blind-purchased my speakers and they were all that and then some! They exceeded my expectations. I was initially going to buy that exact Klipsch setup you have and demo'd a setup as well. I'm very glad I did not rush into the purchase and waited to do more research, and ended up with these smile.gif
post #6936 of 18527
Glad to hear you liked them coach. Are you going to go with the triple 12's?
post #6937 of 18527
Beast, the slant 8's are amazing speakers. IMO anything more than that for anything but an actual theater is overkill. I love overkill mind you and even I though they did just as good as the t8's I had for surrounds. Heck, I'd be they'd be good enough for 99% of people for mains!
post #6938 of 18527
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Beast, the slant 8's are amazing speakers. IMO anything more than that for anything but an actual theater is overkill. I love overkill mind you and even I though they did just as good as the t8's I had for surrounds. Heck, I'd be they'd be good enough for 99% of people for mains!

Well that is what I'm debating. I was originally going to get the T8's for my mains. But I saw a deal for T12's that was about the cost of T8's new, so I went for those instead, and I'm sure they are overkill lol.

So I'm kind of in the same boat now - looking for used T8's if I can find them for the same price as new Slanted 8's. My room is odd in that the surrounds are going to be offset a bit. The left one is going to be significantly further away from the listening area than the right one, and I'm just wondering how the Slanted 8's would hold up in that situation.

I'm sure T8's would be overkill for my area, but like you, I like overkill smile.gif
post #6939 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So I posted this same question in the 4311ci thread, but I also wanted to post it in this thread since they are JTR speakers that I'm running, and I know some of you have the same AVR as I do. I'm going to copy/paste it here.


Does anyone know, if you have the 4311 unplugged for a while if it will forget all of it's settings?

I had mine unplugged for over a week when I was doing my wiring and stuff, and cleaning up, and tonight I went to watch a movie with my wife and it sounded like crap. I then went to change the settings and notice that all of the channel level settings were not what I had them set to.

Well I then set them back to what I had them at (-6 for LCR and -2 for the subs) and it still sounded like crap.

After the movie I went and put in a movie (Saving Private Ryan) that I've demo'd on my setup like 5x and I know how it sounds, and again, it sounded like crap, even with those same settings.

So I'm wondering if it lost my Audyssey settings as well and simply is not calibrated. It sounded REALLY different than I'm used to, ESPECIALLY the subs. They did not pack a punch at ALL like it previously did before I unhooked everything to do in wall wiring. And I have dual caps so they are no slouch.

I am also wondering if my AWG on the wires I ran for the subs is thick enough or something. I ran 12awg for the subs and they are running about 55 feet total probably. They run about 5 feet from my amp to the wall jack, then from the wall jack in the walls to the other wall jack about 45ft, then from the wall jack to the caps about another 5 feet. They are running at 2ohms, and 12awg was recommended for 4ohm runs at that length. I'm really hoping that running the 12awg for 2ohm doesn't screw me over, because these are already in the walls and stuff.


So to be honest I am slightly worried by this. I figured I could hook all my stuff back up and it would all be gravy just like before. But I'm also wondering if I did not run wires thick enough for my caps. I know that 12awg was recommended for 50ft runs, but at 4ohm. These subs are wired at 2ohm so I hope that the wire I have in there is good enough for them, and to be honest, if it wasn't, I don't know what the result would be. Would it just be that they don't hit as hard? Total noob to all this ohm stuff.

It is late now and the wife is sleeping so I can't really re-calibrate it now so it will have to wait until tomorrow to run Audyssey. I just HOPE that the wires I ran are good enough and would be SSSSOOOO let down if they weren't. And I hope I'm just totally overreacting and being a noob about it, and that it is simply a recalibration with Audyssey that I have to do.

Just wanted to quote myself since I just ran Audyssey...

After running it, as well as making a few adjustments such as crossover for the LCR speakers, and making adjustments to the LCR and sub levels, I'm glad to say that I'm back in business!

It's just incredible how much of a difference Audyssey can make. It literally made my system go from sounding like a wimpy weak system to sounding better than a damn movie theater.
post #6940 of 18527
purbeast

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable
post #6941 of 18527
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

purbeast

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

Well I got 12awg @ 2ohm going about 55ft and it seems to working just fine heh. I swear too that page did not have 2ohm listing last time I saw it.

And the previous owner of the subs said he had 12awg with these same exact subs running a longer length than I am and he never had an issue.
post #6942 of 18527
Good timing. I need to start looking at inwall speaker wire for my 4 CHT subs which I have yet to order. I'd like to go with 10awg inwall wire and a think 100' is what will be needed. Any suggestions on best place to order this wire?
post #6943 of 18527
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Good timing. I need to start looking at inwall speaker wire for my 4 CHT subs which I have yet to order. I'd like to go with 10awg inwall wire and a think 100' is what will be needed. Any suggestions on best place to order this wire?

I got all my stuff at monoprice. I did have to get Speakon connectors from parts-express though.

Everything else was from monoprice - wires, banana plugs, wall plates, keystone jacks, etc.

Really happy with all of it.
post #6944 of 18527
Beast - you need to take a road trip to NYC to grab those t8s in the classifieds. They are cheap!!
post #6945 of 18527
cheapest speakon I've found has been at seismicaudio.com
it's a real nice quality cable for an inexpensive price

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/Speaker-Cables-s/25.htm
post #6946 of 18527
12ga is easy to find, no luck finding 10awg for inwall. I'll keep looking.
post #6947 of 18527
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

12ga is easy to find, no luck finding 10awg for inwall. I'll keep looking.

For about 15-20ft only, does it matter if I go with 12 or 10?
post #6948 of 18527
Go with 12, thats way to short to bother with 10 gauge.
post #6949 of 18527
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Beast - you need to take a road trip to NYC to grab those t8s in the classifieds. They are cheap!!

Yeah man I just don't have time to drive up there right now unfortunately. But damn it is a great price, even though they are the 2010 models. Wonder how much has changed in them.
post #6950 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Well, I finally had the opportunity to listen to a set of JTR speakers. A fellow forum member welcomed me into his home yesterday for a lunch hour demo. He has the following in his room:
3 – T12’s, 2010 models, no updates
2 – Slanted 8’s
1 – BIGGGGG Oribit Shifter

First impressions were…. They look much bigger in person, yet I like the way they look. The speakers are well built and boy do they weigh a ton!!

The OS resembles something out of a commercial A/C installation and I can only imagine how fun it was lugging that thing up the steps to the bonus room.

We listened to several scenes of some blu-rays, all movies I hadn’t seen before, and they sounded amazing. Great dynamics and plenty of bass….

Since I wanted to hear something I would be familiar with, we put in “The Dark Knight” and listened to chapter 20 or 21, where they go under ground and get ambushed by the Joker…..This is where I could tell how special these speakers are how big of an improvement they are over my Klipsch setup.

He had the CD’s on the Left and Right speaker located at the top and didn’t have the speakers on a stand. It seems like that put them at the perfect listening position for at least the first row of seats….Oh well for my second row. HaHa

After yesterday, it is quite obvious why this thread is so active. These speakers were everything they were advertised to be. It was shocking to me how much better they sounded than my Klipsch RF-7II/RC-64II setup. I do realize that they could sound different in my room, but I can’t imagine they would sound worse. If anything, they could sound a bit better.

I am sold and will be owning some VERY soon… ;-D

That's great coach, I'm happy the long drive for a demo was worthwhile. The compression driver and crossover in the T12's you heard have been upgraded and the newer models play a bit cleaner. That said, I doubt the differences could be heard in a DB test. Your fresh ears experience is very similar to mine when I first heard the T12's and I wasted no time in buying them. I have never regretted that decision. cool.gif

Note, I let you slide on the derogatory comments regarding my beautiful Orbit Shifter's... OK, well maybe they are a little homely but they can make beautiful music and blur your vision to the point where you can't see them anyway. Definitely meant to be heard, not seen tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Well that is what I'm debating. I was originally going to get the T8's for my mains. But I saw a deal for T12's that was about the cost of T8's new, so I went for those instead, and I'm sure they are overkill lol.

So I'm kind of in the same boat now - looking for used T8's if I can find them for the same price as new Slanted 8's. My room is odd in that the surrounds are going to be offset a bit. The left one is going to be significantly further away from the listening area than the right one, and I'm just wondering how the Slanted 8's would hold up in that situation.

I'm sure T8's would be overkill for my area, but like you, I like overkill smile.gif

My room is asymmetrical and the left surround is 12" from the Center LP as opposed to the right surround being 8'. When these speakers are level matched the distance delta is not noticeable.

I have had the Slanted 8's and the Triple 8's as surrounds and for multi-channel music the Triple 8's did sound like a better match to the Triple 12 and Noesis LCR's, If you do a lot of MC music the Triple 8-LP's are IMHO the best choice but for movie surround effects either the single or slanted 8's are also excellent,
Edited by RMK! - 1/23/13 at 8:41am
post #6951 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

What were your impressions of those SLanted 8's as the surrounds? How far away from the listening position were they?

The reason I'm asking is because I have T12's as my front 3 and am not 100% set on surrounds yet. Would like to hear what you think about them as far as surrounds go

And yes, I blind-purchased my speakers and they were all that and then some! They exceeded my expectations. I was initially going to buy that exact Klipsch setup you have and demo'd a setup as well. I'm very glad I did not rush into the purchase and waited to do more research, and ended up with these smile.gif


The Slanted 8’s did very well as surround speakers. I don’t know how I would compare them to what I currently have, Klipsch RS-52II’s and RB-61II’s, because he was only running 5.1 and I have 7.1. They were directly on the side of where we were sitting and only about 6 feet away at the most.

IMO, I feel like my current surrounds will do just fine for the time being. Eventually, I will upgrade to all JTR’s for surrounds because I like to have all the same speaker….but that is me.
post #6952 of 18527
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Glad to hear you liked them coach. Are you going to go with the triple 12's?

That still hasn't been decided yet. I am weighing a few options right now...it is all about the $$$ and Co-CFO in the house:rolleyes:..
post #6953 of 18527
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

That still hasn't been decided yet. I am weighing a few options right now...it is all about the $$$ and Co-CFO in the house:rolleyes:..

I am glad you liked the demo Coach...I had a feeling you would smile.gif
post #6954 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Yeah man I just don't have time to drive up there right now unfortunately. But damn it is a great price, even though they are the 2010 models. Wonder how much has changed in them.

For surround use I'm sure the 2010 version is far more than adequate. I know the compression drivers and crossover have been upgraded since.

Dude, for 400 a speaker it's worth paying a buddy 150 for so to take the day and go pick them up. smile.gif
post #6955 of 18527
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

For surround use I'm sure the 2010 version is far more than adequate. I know the compression drivers and crossover have been upgraded since.

Dude, for 400 a speaker it's worth paying a buddy 150 for so to take the day and go pick them up. smile.gif

I agree with this viewpoint. I would focus 80% of my attention/resources on the front 3 channels matching sonically and a high quality subwoofer. The surround speakers aren’t as important from a sonic match standpoint and whether you grab 09 vs 10 vs 11 versions of the speakers, I wouldn’t sweat it too much.
post #6956 of 18527
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

For surround use I'm sure the 2010 version is far more than adequate. I know the compression drivers and crossover have been upgraded since.

Dude, for 400 a speaker it's worth paying a buddy 150 for so to take the day and go pick them up. smile.gif

Well ... you want to make $150? lol.

Yea I mean I'd pay him to ship them he just does not want to do that either. But it would cost probably close to $150 in gas/tolls going to pick them up as well.
post #6957 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Just wanted to quote myself since I just ran Audyssey...

After running it, as well as making a few adjustments such as crossover for the LCR speakers, and making adjustments to the LCR and sub levels, I'm glad to say that I'm back in business!

It's just incredible how much of a difference Audyssey can make. It literally made my system go from sounding like a wimpy weak system to sounding better than a damn movie theater.

It is also incredible how exactly opposite of that Audyssey can do as well in some rooms! haha.
post #6958 of 18527
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Well ... you want to make $150? lol.

Yea I mean I'd pay him to ship them he just does not want to do that either. But it would cost probably close to $150 in gas/tolls going to pick them up as well.

Man, it would probably be March before I had time to make another day trip, haha. If I had the time or need, I probably would have bought them myself by now.

Glad to hear you got your system back up to spec. cool.gif
post #6959 of 18527
TBH if i wasent building my own speakers i would have purchased those T8s when they first poped up smile.gif
post #6960 of 18527
Hey guys, just found out about JTR speakers yesterday. I am building a dedicated home theater room, 23'L x 15'W x 9'H. AT screen 3' out from the back wall. My sub will be 4 of Gorrilla's 18" dual opposed design. I have one cabinet built smile.gif . I am liking what I have been reading about these speakers. I am currently running Ascend Acoustics 340's in my current room. Once the new house is done with the new room new speakers are a must. I was thinking Triple 12's or 8's for the front and slanted 8's for the surrounds. I live in West Michigan and would love to demo some of these speakers. Does anyone live in the area?
Aaron
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