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post #7111 of 18557
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Got my speaker stands all finished up. Here are some pics.





These are 2 door stoppers that I got from HD today that are pretty heavy duty. They had a shiny silver around the edge of em and since I have a bunch of Duratex left over, I put 2 textured coats on them. I put them under the center channel speaker before I painted them and you could see the silver bright so I just painted them.


And here is the finished product after they are all in place and hooked up.







Still need to run Audyssey though, which I'll be doing tonight at some point.
That really worked out well. Happy listening.
post #7112 of 18557
Purbeast, great looking set-up and fantastic job with the stands. Well done!!!
post #7113 of 18557
Stands look great purbeast! smile.gif

Now that you've built the tool collection, ready to construct something else now? biggrin.gif
Edited by Gorilla83 - 2/3/13 at 6:11am
post #7114 of 18557
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Cool I will give it a go tomorrow at some point, possibly tonight, so that the sound isn't quite so focused in the central area.

I have the stands that I ordered from Jeff directly and I can say you did do a great job, they look the same. For speaker positioning you can also try out greater toe in so that each speaker is facing the opposite side outer seats.
post #7115 of 18557
I did a lot of playing around with toe-in, I always have with any pair of speakers I've ever owned. For the first time I have settled on toeing in further that just pointing the speakers right at me. I'm pointing the Noesis so that each one is aimed a little over a foot to the left or right of me, so the right speaker would be hitting my head directly if I moved my head a little over a foot to the left.

The biggest benefit is a wider sweet spot. When I move my head back and forth the vocals are still anchored in the middle for 2 channel music. When I had the speakers aimed right at me if I moved my head much it affected the sweet spot much more.
post #7116 of 18557
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I did a lot of playing around with toe-in, I always have with any pair of speakers I've ever owned. For the first time I have settled on toeing in further that just pointing the speakers right at me. I'm pointing the Noesis so that each one is aimed a little over a foot to the left or right of me, so the right speaker would be hitting my head directly if I moved my head a little over a foot to the left.

The biggest benefit is a wider sweet spot. When I move my head back and forth the vocals are still anchored in the middle for 2 channel music. When I had the speakers aimed right at me if I moved my head much it affected the sweet spot much more.

I think this might be OK for your setup but you have Noesis. I have found with T12's that slight toe-in is best. Even with Noesis, having the mains behind an AT screen and using increased toe-in may have a negative effect. For overall HT sound with a wide (ish) front row, I prefer less toe-in.
Horses for courses I guess.smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 2/3/13 at 8:36am
post #7117 of 18557
I would agree with RMK!. The toeing in works great for 2 channel but with multichannel systems they need to be in an arc(best possible approach) going across the stage. I know most can't do this but with movies you have many speakers and many seats to cover. I have turned into a measurements freak so I just make sure everything is measuring at every seat the way I want it and that usually sounds best to me. I basically setup speakers, listened, and found out what I liked. I then measured to see why I liked then and just make sure everything I listen to has that same response to begin with. Of course I tried different responses but I have settled on a certiam one and stick to it. Turns out I am like the majority of people, house curve on the low end and slightly rolled off at the top. -6 dBs at 20khz or so.

BTW guys, all your setups look great!
post #7118 of 18557
I also don't toe-in a ton. Mine would be about pointed at the seat next to me. In my case, it's what sounds best.
post #7119 of 18557
So, who else is hosting a superbowl bash? I've already "called" in sick tomorrow. Good times await. smile.gif
post #7120 of 18557
I'm hosting -- wife is furiously dusting everything - i'm like just relax - people don't care they are coming for the projector and audio experience, family and food. A little dust isn't going to turn them away. cool.gif


The side affect is of course that the house is as clean as it's been in a LONG time!
post #7121 of 18557
I feel a little bit bad but we bailed on going to a party. It was in the works for about 2+ weeks but just couldn't go...They have the self proclaimed "worlds smallest and oldest TV" so from the get go I didn't want to go. We usually host every party and go overboard but just needed a break from hosting this one. Not to mention we are significantly out numbered in the kid dept. If we would have hosted today it would have been 8 adults and 14 kids with the oldest being 13 and youngest being 3. Those numbers do not add up to a pleasurable viewing experience. I feel like a dick but oh well....

Seriously with an 80" in the family room and 135" in the HT why would i want to go elsewhere???
post #7122 of 18557
We are hosting our first SB party in the new house. The T12's will make their debut tonight, even though they haven't been calibrated yet.
Edited by COACH2369 - 2/4/13 at 2:38am
post #7123 of 18557
Hah yea we're having people over for the superbowl as well. Been cleaning all morning but got hooked on the caps/penguins game in my basement, then flipped through channels and got stuck watching Iron Man for a bit on FX.

But basement is spotless right now!
post #7124 of 18557
I feel a little let down. I've got all this expensive gear and the sound quality of the superbowl - including the halftime show tonight was pathetic. Last year's black eyed peas seemed to be mic'ced way better. This was anemic.

game was at least good!
post #7125 of 18557
yeah. it was pretty weak. the game was really good though so there's that.
post #7126 of 18557
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Ok, I have gone about reading more about amps... Apparently, the ICE-Power designs may not be the best in sound quality as they sacrifice sound quality for efficiencies as opposed to class A/B... but A/B are not as efficient and may run hot and are heavier..

Anyways, just for comparison's sake, the emotiva sounds like a great competitor and may actually sound better:

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/reference-series/products/xpr5

It'll drive clean 600 watts into 5 channels as opposed to the same priced D-Sonic that gives only 250 watts into 3 channels.

with about the same price tag of $1600... although the emotiva is a bit more heavier...

This would be great for my 5.1 JTR setup...

I can use my Onkyo 3010/3009 (note sure which to get yet) as my pre/pro, and then use the Emotiva to drive my LCR (noesis), and surrounds (S8). SInce cash is getting out of hand, I might add 4 SHO-10s for front heights and center surrounds to be driven by my onkyo...

Emotiva is crap eek.gif
post #7127 of 18557
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I feel a little let down. I've got all this expensive gear and the sound quality of the superbowl - including the halftime show tonight was pathetic. Last year's black eyed peas seemed to be mic'ced way better. This was anemic.

game was at least good!

CBS has always had crappy sound. The Sunday night NBC game always looks and sounds much better. Way better use of surrounds on NBC and better bass too.
post #7128 of 18557
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I think this might be OK for your setup but you have Noesis. I have found with T12's that slight toe-in is best. Even with Noesis, having the mains behind an AT screen and using increased toe-in may have a negative effect. For overall HT sound with a wide (ish) front row, I prefer less toe-in.
Horses for courses I guess.smile.gif

With a controlled directivity speaker like the Noesis, a lot of toe-in should just help the front sound stage. Here is a good explanation of why: http://www.pispeakers.com/Pi_Speakers_Info.pdf[/URL
Toe-in using a woven AT screen should not have much negative affect. At least not enough that I would give up on using toe-in. I have had my mains toed-in, outside my AT screen and behind my AT screen. I could not tell a difference.
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post #7129 of 18557
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I was talking about the Triple 12's Mike and know the theory regarding toe-in and controlled directivity speakers. A good read none the less smile.gif:

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post #7130 of 18557
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I feel a little let down. I've got all this expensive gear and the sound quality of the superbowl - including the halftime show tonight was pathetic. Last year's black eyed peas seemed to be mic'ced way better. This was anemic.

game was at least good!

Haha, I was toldright before Beyonce came on by all the ladies present that I "needed to turn it up for halftime" We were already at -10 at that point so I cranked it to +2 and let them have a blast watching. It didn't feel like a normal +2 experience as I felt the levels were much lower than say, a BD disc at +2, but it was still loud, and they loved it.
post #7131 of 18557
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I was talking about the Triple 12's Mike and know the theory regarding toe-in and controlled directivity speakers. A good read none the less smile.gif:

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i just got that this am as well. Weird!!
post #7132 of 18557
I'm considering upgrading from T8's to Noesis, but my smaller room dimensions and speaker placement limitations (due to a fireplace in the corner) have me concerned that the horn patterns aren't going to cover the seats on either end. Is there any type of calculator or online application where you can plug in room dimensions and speaker locations to see the coverage patterns, or is it easier to just break out the ruler and protractor and do it by hand?

Also, how do the S2's compare to the Submersive HP's? I know someone said that 1 S2's total output is equal to 2 Sub HP's, but how does the sound quality compare? If crossing over at 70-80Hz, will the 2 18's do as well as the HP's 2 15's?
post #7133 of 18557
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Originally Posted by Skillet View Post

I'm considering upgrading from T8's to Noesis, but my smaller room dimensions and speaker placement limitations (due to a fireplace in the corner) have me concerned that the horn patterns aren't going to cover the seats on either end. Is there any type of calculator or online application where you can plug in room dimensions and speaker locations to see the coverage patterns, or is it easier to just break out the ruler and protractor and do it by hand?

This is the Noesis dispersion pattern from Jeff, no protractor needed ... smile.gif

post #7134 of 18557
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i just got that this am as well. Weird!!

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post #7135 of 18557
Jeff just posted pics of a prototype Noesis 228HT, featuring the same cabinet and 8" woofers as the T8HT and the same 1" compression driver and horn from the Noesis 2AX. Looks nice and features horn loading down to 1khz. Maybe some one could save the pictures from Facebook and post them here. I'm at a press screening right now.
post #7136 of 18557
sweet, i was curious if he was gonna make an 8in version. wonder if he brings them to the g2g in april be interesting to hear them with everything else that is penciled to show up
post #7137 of 18557
WOW! haha I've had a few pm's with Jeff and I asked him a couple times if he had plans to make a smaller version of the Noesis HT speakers closer to the size of the Triple 8ht's but I never heard back from him. I guess my wish has come true! Looks like I've found my new LCR speakers for my theater room!!! biggrin.gif I wonder if there would be a pre-order discount? Or does Jeff even do that anymore?
post #7138 of 18557
he ran one for the Noesis
post #7139 of 18557
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

he ran one for the Noesis

And that's what I get for taking a break from this site. Damn, I could have been a Noesis owner by now!
post #7140 of 18557
Man I started reading this thread from the first page and I'm about up to page 102 now, this has been a lot of reading on JTR speakers!..lol
But it's good because it makes me more confident about going with JTR over Ascend Acoustics Sierra towers and matching center in my theater room.
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