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post #7201 of 18542
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Well I finally finished reading threw all 241 pages of this thread. Took a little longer then I thought but having two little ones doesn't always give you a lot of time to yourself to do some serious reading. Anyways it was great reading about JTR speakers getting better every year, Jeff really seems to have a passion to make some of the best speakers in the industry. It was also cool to read about everyone's upgrades over the years. And man RMK aka Rob really loves his JTR products! Lol

I'm glad I read everything and am now totally sold on going with JTR speakers over the Ascend Sierra towers and matching centre that I had talked about in a few of my posts. I'm really looking forward to hearing more about the new 228HTs. And I think for my room they'll work best. I'm almost embarrassed to say but i'll be upgrading from an older pair of JBL Northridge E80 towers and a EC35 centre channel. I've spend the last year building and slowly upgrading my theater room. Last year I went with 2 pairs of Axiom QS8 surrounds, I know they won't keep up with the 228HTs but they'll have to do for now. I also went with a JVC RS45 projector and 112" Grandview fixed frame screen. And just this past December I upgraded to dual PSA XS30 subs.

I thought I would be all done after I get my new LCR speakers but now I'm going to build a front stage in my room and put up a false wall with acoustical transparent panels along with a acoustical transparent screen to hide everything. But now I'm also thinking about getting rid of the XS30s and go with an Orbit shifter because it would all be hidden behind the wall and screen.

Why not go for the S2? It would be sealed just like your XS30s?
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OK looking for help for newbie with JTRs... this thread is overwhelmingly long! Even searches turn up too much and non specific. Started reading from beginning and looked at few end posts and looks like the products are changing rapidly.

I have a dedicated home theater room 14x21, looking to replace speakers with JTR. Triple 8HT across front but after that confused:

What are your thoughts on sides and rears in a 7.1 (thinner triple8's, or will slanted work?
Will slanted work for rear ceiling
Do the thinner 8H - LT's sound as good as the full size

Also what is the story on the horn speakers everyone is recently talking about, don't see them on the JTR website
post #7203 of 18542
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

OK looking for help for newbie with JTRs... this thread is overwhelmingly long! Even searches turn up too much and non specific. Started reading from beginning and looked at few end posts and looks like the products are changing rapidly.

I have a dedicated home theater room 14x21, looking to replace speakers with JTR. Triple 8HT across front but after that confused:

What are your thoughts on sides and rears in a 7.1 (thinner triple8's, or will slanted work?
Will slanted work for rear ceiling
Do the thinner 8H - LT's sound as good as the full size

Also what is the story on the horn speakers everyone is recently talking about, don't see them on the JTR website

For surrounds you could use the single 8, triple 8 or the new 228HT (coming soon). The 228HT has a horn like the Noesis but it is not the identical driver. The Noesis are listed under the "residential" section of the web site. The 228HT is not listed there yet but you can find pictures of it in the JTR forum on JTR website.

BTW, welcome fellow Ohioan. I am in Cincinnati smile.gif
post #7204 of 18542
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

OK looking for help for newbie with JTRs... this thread is overwhelmingly long! Even searches turn up too much and non specific. Started reading from beginning and looked at few end posts and looks like the products are changing rapidly.

I have a dedicated home theater room 14x21, looking to replace speakers with JTR. Triple 8HT across front but after that confused:

What are your thoughts on sides and rears in a 7.1 (thinner triple8's, or will slanted work?
Will slanted work for rear ceiling
Do the thinner 8H - LT's sound as good as the full size

Also what is the story on the horn speakers everyone is recently talking about, don't see them on the JTR website

Welcome Mark,

I guess this Thread has become a bit unwieldy and getting OT is an all too common occurrence (mea cupla tongue.gif ). That said, many have asked the same questions you have and so cutting to the chase, the Triple 8's make great HT speakers and using them as LCR's behind an AT screen is ideal.Unless you room is very large (over 4000^3) I would use either Single or Slanted 8's as surrounds. I'm using the T8-LP's as side surrounds and they are excellent for MC music but for HT use the singles would do just as well IMHO.

The new horn models (info is on the JTR Forum page) do offer better performance but that comes at a price. The best way to tell if they are for you is to hear them. If that isn't possible then reading owners subjective opinions is all you have. I can't imagine anyone being unhappy with JTR products for HT use but then, I'm biased (as is virtually every person who actively posts on the Forum).

Good luck and good listening ... smile.gif
post #7205 of 18542
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Welcome Mark,

The best way to tell if they are for you is to hear them. If that isn't possible then reading owners subjective opinions is all you have. I can't imagine anyone being unhappy with JTR products for HT use but then, I'm biased (as is virtually every person who actively posts on the Forum).

Good luck and good listening ... smile.gif

Great answer and one that I couldn't agree with more. I was able to travel to Oconomowoc (cool little town, btw) and hear the T8's for myself. That sold me. If you cant go to the source, see if there is anyone near you who can demo them. BTW, I love my T8-LP's.
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Thanks guys for cutting to the chase, since I'm 99% home theater in my room I think these will work great!
post #7207 of 18542
I got some answers from Jeff, despite his crazy schedule. Really appreciated, Jeff!

I asked Jeff the difference between T8-LP and 228HT, and here is what he got:

The advantage of the Noesis 228HT is in non treated rooms or rooms that are highly reflective because of the narrower coverage pattern. For wide rooms, sides and surrounds the Triple 8HT is still the way to go because of the wider dispersion.
There isn't any plans to build a Noesis 228HT-lp because narrow coverage won't work well as sides or surrounds and the Noesis need roughly 20 degrees of toe in, toward the listener for left and right so a wall mounted "lp" would only work well as a center channel.

The benefit of the coaxial is uniform sound and better power response (off axis) however horns have smoother on axis response and generally a wider range of coverage patterns available.
post #7208 of 18542
Well my room is 14ft across the front wall and then 20ft in length but the last 8ft of the room where my seating is its only 11ft wide so I think these 228HT's would be the ticket I'm looking for. I would really love to get the 212HT-LP's but they would probably be total over kill!...lol I really don't know what to do, should I just say screw and get the 212HT-lps? I'm 6 months away from probably them anyways unless there was some really good pricing on the pre-order for the 228HT.

And then of course I say to myself that if I'm willing to go with the size of the 212HT-LP maybe I should just get the Triple 12HT-LP, because I'm only using the set up for 100%movies. So would I even notice the difference betweem the Noesis and T12s. So confusing!..lol
And I'm pretty sure I'll have to buy these without hearing them because I don't recall anyone from Vancouver Canada having a set!..lol
Edited by jbrown15 - 2/13/13 at 3:58pm
post #7209 of 18542
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I got some answers from Jeff, despite his crazy schedule. Really appreciated, Jeff!

I asked Jeff the difference between T8-LP and 228HT, and here is what he got:

The advantage of the Noesis 228HT is in non treated rooms or rooms that are highly reflective because of the narrower coverage pattern. For wide rooms, sides and surrounds the Triple 8HT is still the way to go because of the wider dispersion.
There isn't any plans to build a Noesis 228HT-lp because narrow coverage won't work well as sides or surrounds and the Noesis need roughly 20 degrees of toe in, toward the listener for left and right so a wall mounted "lp" would only work well as a center channel.

The benefit of the coaxial is uniform sound and better power response (off axis) however horns have smoother on axis response and generally a wider range of coverage patterns available.
Thank you. More reasons for me to stick with the T8's.
post #7210 of 18542
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Why not go for the S2? It would be sealed just like your XS30s?

Hmmm I hadn't really thought too much about the S2, I guess I should consider that too. I liked the output of the Orbit for 25hz and up as I watch a lot of movies and most movies have more mid bass and I really like that kick in the chest mid bass slam. It was one of the reasons I went with the XS30 over something like the Rythmik FV15HP.
post #7211 of 18542
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Hmmm I hadn't really thought too much about the S2, I guess I should consider that too. I liked the output of the Orbit for 25hz and up as I watch a lot of movies and most movies have more mid bass and I really like that kick in the chest mid bass slam. It was one of the reasons I went with the XS30 over something like the Rythmik FV15HP.

If that's the case get the Orbit Shifter hands down. I've heard them both, and they are both amazing but the OS will punch you in the chest harder if you want to get really nuts with it. 2 of them affected my breathing at crazy volumes, it's hard to describe the feeling but I liked it. smile.gif
post #7212 of 18542
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

If that's the case get the Orbit Shifter hands down. I've heard them both, and they are both amazing but the OS will punch you in the chest harder if you want to get really nuts with it. 2 of them affected my breathing at crazy volumes, it's hard to describe the feeling but I liked it. smile.gif

I don't like getting punched...eek.gif
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Haha, yeah we've joked about how we should hire people to shake the couch or punch me in the chest at the right moments to get some crazy tactile "feel". biggrin.gif What a fun job that would be.
post #7214 of 18542
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

If that's the case get the Orbit Shifter hands down. I've heard them both, and they are both amazing but the OS will punch you in the chest harder if you want to get really nuts with it. 2 of them affected my breathing at crazy volumes, it's hard to describe the feeling but I liked it. smile.gif

My rooms not that big either so I'm sure it would still have good output all the way down to 10hz wouldn't it?
post #7215 of 18542
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

My rooms not that big either so I'm sure it would still have good output all the way down to 10hz wouldn't it?

I've heard OS on 2 separate occasions. The first I heard duals at Archaea's place and jedimastergrant brought his single OS over to my place once. I didn't measure the response in my room, but it sure as hell didn't feel like the OS was lacking down low. I felt like it went every bit as low as the Submersives with a lot more headroom above 20hz.

You've probably seen this before, but the way Jeff compares it is the OS has the output of dual co-located Cap 2 sealed above 20 hz and the opposite is true below 20hz.
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

My rooms not that big either so I'm sure it would still have good output all the way down to 10hz wouldn't it?
My room is about 20x18 and also have a big opening to the living room. 1 OS still able to hit below 10Hz and with my knee curve (+6dB) it feels really good smile.gif
post #7217 of 18542
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

My room is about 20x18 and also have a big opening to the living room. 1 OS still able to hit below 10Hz and with my knee curve (+6dB) it feels really good smile.gif

So at 10hz what kind of db do you think its putting out in your room?
post #7218 of 18542
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

So at 10hz what kind of db do you think its putting out in your room?

Purple one is after Audyssey. I do have dynamic EQ ON so that practically add about 6-8dB to the low end.
so, I see about 83dB when I reference to about 75dB. I do have my OS facing the wall (about 2-3 ft away) so that would add a few.. I actually try to move it closer, but then it gets really crazy so i need to pull it out to not localize it.

audyssey-comparison.jpg 73k .jpg file
post #7219 of 18542
I have to say I had a "JTR moment" last night. Bought Skyfall and had my brother in law over for movie night. On the subway crash scene my S2 subwoofers were howling. My brother looks over at me and literally says "holy crap!!!" and I just smiled. No signs they hit there limit either ...just clean...loud...deep....accurate bass. Have to admit it was up there in scenes that cause tactile moments and feels like the house might come down. eek.gifsmile.gif
Edited by Frohlich - 2/14/13 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I have to say I had a "JTR moment" last night. Bought Skyfall and had my brother in law over for movie night. On the subway crash scene my S2 subwoofers were howling. My brother looks over at me and literally says "holy crap!!!" and I just smiled. No signs they hit there limit either ...just clean...loud...deep....accurate bass. Have to admit it was up there in scenes that cause tactile moments and feels like the house might come down. eek.gifsmile.gif

Those are great moments cool.gif and I am really looking forward to Skyfall. I sold my PJ and have a new one on the way (turns out it's the same PJ you have) so it may have to wait a week or so... :-(
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Just FYI...anyone still looking for Triple 8s........just changed my listing to lowered price with shipping +3% if paypal. These are 2010 T8s with the new xover and compression driver.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449859/3-jtr-triple-8s-price-drop-and-will-ship
post #7222 of 18542
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I have to say I had a "JTR moment" last night. Bought Skyfall and had my brother in law over for movie night. On the subway crash scene my S2 subwoofers were howling. My brother looks over at me and literally says "holy crap!!!" and I just smiled. No signs they hit there limit either ...just clean...loud...deep....accurate bass. Have to admit it was up there in scenes that cause tactile moments and feels like the house might come down. eek.gifsmile.gif

I also had some JTR moments this morning as I installed Noesis front stage last night and worked with REW today a little. They sound fantastic. i didn't have much work to do because the bass region has already been worked extensively. Just played with the crossover freq and slopes for the mains a little. I ended up with the same settings as the T12lp. Even at the same setting(80hz, 12bd/octave) the overall response for the vented is better below the xo point. I also include some full range comparisons. The big improvement is in the clarity of sound. The biggest improvement I am noticing right away is the sounstage for music in the rear of the room (approx 20-25ft back) is much improved. It seems like the horns pattern control send more energy directly back to the rear of the room without interacting with the room.

Noesis loaded and ready to go, and some graphs. mic is not too accurate above 10k. The dark purple and brown is T12 lp, the red/pruple and green is Noesis. Both are the left and right speaker positions run at the same level with mic in the exact same position..
Noesis with subs running too

rear of the room is the biggest improvement I have noticed in the first hour of listening

Oh yeah new improved look of the sound panel too. Priniting turned out great, think I will do all of them in the back of the room with more movies poster coverings.
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Awesome!! Looks great, I hope to have my center vertical some day too. Be careful, you might get addicted to listening to music.
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IBrown
Man that is Nice. That computer set-up is sweet looking. Take your time and get fully aquainted with the new equipment then when ready please tell me what the overall improvements are over your T12's.
You have a Very Nice room.
Chris
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Awesome!! Looks great, I hope to have my center vertical some day too. Be careful, you might get addicted to listening to music.
Thanks, I thought you hard core heavy metal guys would laugh more at my hair band poster;) I like metal too probably not to the extent as some around here though. In the first several hours it been almost exclusively music. Try out a movie or two tonight. Music is so good on these things at all volumes.
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

IBrown
Man that is Nice. That computer set-up is sweet looking. Take your time and get fully aquainted with the new equipment then when ready please tell me what the overall improvements are over your T12's.
You have a Very Nice room.
Chris
thanks Chris, I will post more after a week with them. That way I should have a lot of movie and music experience with them.
post #7227 of 18542
lbrown105, can't rememer if I read somewhere the dimensions of your room. Could you tell me what they are?
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Thanks, I thought you hard core heavy metal guys would laugh more at my hair band poster;) I like metal too probably not to the extent as some around here though. In the first several hours it been almost exclusively music. Try out a movie or two tonight. Music is so good on these things at all volumes.

Haha, no, no, to each his own. I like music with the cookie monster on vocals for god's sake. smile.gif Hey, some hair band music is great too. My favorite band in the early/mid 80's was Ratt! I had yet to be exposed to Metallica, Slayer, etc.
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

lbrown105, can't rememer if I read somewhere the dimensions of your room. Could you tell me what they are?
Its 33 long and 13.5 wide except where the OS is up front, there it is about 16 wide. Drop ceiling comes down to just over 7ft. Appox 3300 cu ft
post #7230 of 18542
I am liking these house curves I see getting posted around here!!!
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