Official JTR speaker thread - Page 243

Originally Posted by carp 

Guys, are my horns turned right? Here is a picture of one of my mains if you look close you can see the oval is taller than it is wide - is that right? Jeff turned on of them 45 degrees for my center channel and I wonder if he made a mistake. I'd ask him but I know he's crazy busy and I figured I'd get an answer here first.

Originally Posted by carp 

Off topic (of course) how many of you guys are gamers? I know Jonathan is at least somewhat. I had never hooked one up to the system before last night. Some friends came over with an x box 360 and kinect was the coolest thing ever. The only non kinect game we played was halo 4 and I have to say I was disappointed with the bass and overall audio. I thought it would be like movie bass. All the games looked awesome though - somehow I threw the javelin over 120 meters...yeah that's not humanly possible but oh well it was fun! I'm going to have to get one. 200 bucks? Is that really right? How can I not...

Back on topic, yeah it will be very interesting. I have a feeling the lower crossover of the big Noesis will be noticeable (big boy is 400hz isn't little brother around 1khz?) I could be wrong though and am looking forward to finding out.

Also I want to set it up so that Jonathan compares them blind. Not sure how I'm going to do that, I think I left all my cloth at David's. Still, if we have the speakers side by side I wonder if you'd be able to tell which is playing even if you can see them.

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Humm, good question Carp. My Noesis are behind the screen and have the grill covers on so it's not easy to check but it does appear in most Noesis photos that the 60 degree is vertical. I thought it was supposed to be 60H/40V. Maybe it's an optical illusion or, I got it wrong.

Oh and BTW, that would be 90 degrees, not 45 ... Hopefully you aren't a math/science teacher

Originally Posted by carp 

Cool thanks ill remember that.

Originally Posted by carp 

And sorry to Jeff, I just started wondering from what I was reading in Chopshop's uber build thread it made me think that the dispersion should be more horizonal than vertical. I should have remembered that I don't know much about this....

Originally Posted by jbrown15 

Has Jeff released the pre-order pricing yet? I sent him a pm on the JTR forum but hadn't heard back from him. I know he's really busy and calling is always the best bet to talk to him but I've just been way to busy and I'm on the west coast so I never tried calling past 4pm pacific time.

Originally Posted by rpconrad 

Pricing for 228HT is up on Website

MSRP $1799, Internet Direct $1199, Pre-Order sale $999

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Half the price of the 212 ... Wow, that's some pretty aggressive pricing. Now I'm even more interested in Carps and Archaea's compare.

Originally Posted by rpconrad 

Also interesting is the 2TX (with rhe 212HT horn I believe)

MSRP $2199 Internet Direct $1799, Pre-Order sale $1499 (Feb 15th - March 15th)

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Well I guess narrower horizontal dispersion is a goal but like you I understood it the other way. Mine are orientated like yours so I guess that is correct. Like you, much of the real science of this eludes me ...

Originally Posted by RMK! 

Quoting myself ...

If you look at this photo closely it is the horn throat itself that creates the 60°H/40°V dispersion pattern. The oval horn entrance being opposite that is interesting

Originally Posted by rpconrad 

Also interesting is the 2TX (with rhe 212HT horn I believe)

MSRP $2199 Internet Direct $1799, Pre-Order sale $1499 (Feb 15th - March 15th)

Originally Posted by mjaudio 

It is the 3TX that uses the same horn as the 212HT. I wish it had the same $700 compression driver that the 212HT uses for only $1,499, I would be scrambling for my CC right now

Originally Posted by carp 

For me I though there was an obvious and distinct difference between the big Noesis and little for music. The highs were sweeter and smoother, the overall sound was way more addictive, I wanted to turn it up more, soundstage was bigger etc. On my song clips it was so clear to me which I preferred, well on the other guys clips too. With the big Noesis I didn't want each clip to end it sounded so sweet, with the little Noesis it still sounded damn good but didn't draw me in as much. Some songs had a little bit of a harsh edge with the little Noesis that wasn't there with the big guys.

BUT!!!!

I REALLY liked the little Noesis. It is the 2nd best speaker I've heard in my room, I thought it was easily better than my old eD Cinema 12's and I liked it better than the 888's and the DIY SEOS Tempest. When I heard the 888's I had no thoughts whatsoever of wanting to buy them. With these little Noesis I would have been curious and may have pulled the trigger. Of course with the big boys I knew immediately I was in trouble and had to find a way to make it happen even though it was an obscene amount of money.

I love the big Noesis so much because of my preference for music. I listen to music all the time, I always have been that way and I know I always will. For me the big Noesis is a no-brainer because I get an incredible movie speaker that has the sweetest music sound I've ever heard. If however, I just watched movies I would buy the little Noesis instead, unless I had a bigger room.

Now, of the movie clips we watched the only one where I really noticed a difference was the Iron Man 2 ACDC song, and come to think of it none of the other clips had music playing. Still, and I don't know why this is, but my preference towards the big Noesis is much greater when hearing just the actual song (no movie) than when I heard Shoot to Thrill (from Iron Man) in an actual movie. Weird, but that's how it works for me.













Before the big Noesis came along I thought I was more of a sub guy than speaker guy. Hearing it for the first time changed all that, even though I had heard quite a few different speakers by then. Would the same have happened if I heard these smaller Noesis without hearing the big ones? I'm not sure, be they would have come closer than anything else I've heard.

Originally Posted by carp 

For me I though there was an obvious and distinct difference between the big Noesis and little for music. The highs were sweeter and smoother, the overall sound was way more addictive, I wanted to turn it up more, soundstage was bigger etc. On my song clips it was so clear to me which I preferred, well on the other guys clips too. With the big Noesis I didn't want each clip to end it sounded so sweet, with the little Noesis it still sounded damn good but didn't draw me in as much. Some songs had a little bit of a harsh edge with the little Noesis that wasn't there with the big guys.

BUT!!!!

I REALLY liked the little Noesis. It is the 2nd best speaker I've heard in my room, I thought it was easily better than my old eD Cinema 12's and I liked it better than the 888's and the DIY SEOS Tempest. When I heard the 888's I had no thoughts whatsoever of wanting to buy them. With these little Noesis I would have been curious and may have pulled the trigger. Of course with the big boys I knew immediately I was in trouble and had to find a way to make it happen even though it was an obscene amount of money.

I love the big Noesis so much because of my preference for music. I listen to music all the time, I always have been that way and I know I always will. For me the big Noesis is a no-brainer because I get an incredible movie speaker that has the sweetest music sound I've ever heard. If however, I just watched movies I would buy the little Noesis instead, unless I had a bigger room.

Now, of the movie clips we watched the only one where I really noticed a difference was the Iron Man 2 ACDC song, and come to think of it none of the other clips had music playing. Still, and I don't know why this is, but my preference towards the big Noesis is much greater when hearing just the actual song (no movie) than when I heard Shoot to Thrill (from Iron Man) in an actual movie. Weird, but that's how it works for me.













Before the big Noesis came along I thought I was more of a sub guy than speaker guy. Hearing it for the first time changed all that, even though I had heard quite a few different speakers by then. Would the same have happened if I heard these smaller Noesis without hearing the big ones? I'm not sure, be they would have come closer than anything else I've heard.

Originally Posted by rpconrad 

From the JTR Facebook page

Noesis 2TX coming soon. Same cabinet, woofers and horn as 3TX however a 2-way design using a 1" compression driver, 1khz crossover point (like the 2AX) and 5lbs less

Same horn as 3TX with different CD I believe

Originally Posted by fight4yu 

I got some answers from Jeff, despite his crazy schedule. Really appreciated, Jeff!

I asked Jeff the difference between T8-LP and 228HT, and here is what he got:

The advantage of the Noesis 228HT is in non treated rooms or rooms that are highly reflective because of the narrower coverage pattern. For wide rooms, sides and surrounds the Triple 8HT is still the way to go because of the wider dispersion.
There isn't any plans to build a Noesis 228HT-lp because narrow coverage won't work well as sides or surrounds and the Noesis need roughly 20 degrees of toe in, toward the listener for left and right so a wall mounted "lp" would only work well as a center channel.

The benefit of the coaxial is uniform sound and better power response (off axis) however horns have smoother on axis response and generally a wider range of coverage patterns available.

Originally Posted by hogues 

I'm at a total loss when it comes to room acoustics. I have a (soon to be) finished basement with drywall/insulation/concrete walls and either a concrete or tile floor with an area rug. The room is about 425-450 sq feet and will be untreated. Am I correct in thinking that the 228Ht would be better for my space that my current t8-LP's? I'm wondering if it's worth the trip up to Wisconsin to hear them. Thanks for the help!

Originally Posted by carp 

Here is a horrible thought that I can't get out of my head. How awesome would the 228's be as surrounds in here!! They would destroy my eD's and then some. Can't do it can't do it can't do it.....

Originally Posted by Jedirun 

So who knows.

Originally Posted by Jedirun 

I believe the smaller dispersion pattern of the 228's would be an improvement over the T8's in an untreated room. However the LP's are more tolerant of being placed near walls with respect to mid bass. So who knows.

Originally Posted by Jedirun 

I think Jeff said that the 228's are not as good as surrounds as T8's where the 90 degree coverage is needed.