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post #7411 of 18525
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

How about the T8 HT-LPs - will they work well on stands for surrounds in a 14' X 14' room?
Yes the coaxials have 90 degree coverage, so they will work great. This is what RMK uses. I will be using vented T8's as surrounds in my theater.
post #7412 of 18525
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Had a good time as always demoing my system today. 3 hours sure goes by fast! Very impressed by the scenes we watched from the animated movie called "9". I had never heard it before, so many little detailed subtle sounds going on, great surround, great bass. I have to watch this whole movie. Scenes from this movie should be on a demo disk.

Also a great pipe organ demo from - what was it called Steven? August something... we played the organ scene at reference with the sub 10 hot and it was really cool. The disk seems to be recorded at a low volume so not as crazy loud as it sounds.

Made it to +8 or +9 for a few seconds on Art of Flight, never gets old.

Also got to hear some really cool tunes with BB King, Eric Clapton, and Ray Charles singing in a live setting. How's that for some culture for a metal head!! No metal was played, I resisted - Jonathan would be proud.

I think Steven was disappointed in the bass, he's got dual SVS Ultras on a suspended wood floor. Damn concrete....

I doubt the Submersive HP volume was increasingly linearly with your mains at +10. biggrin.gif

I've got concrete too and when this guy comes over to my place later this week for his demo maybe I'll have him bring his PB13's to compare directly. Done that before --- didn't work out to well for the PB13s
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post #7413 of 18525
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I doubt the Submersive HP volume was increasingly linearly with your mains at +10. biggrin.gif

I've got concrete too and when this guy comes over to my place later this week for his demo maybe I'll have him bring his PB13's to compare directly. Done that before --- didn't work out to well for the PB13s
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I bet it was on that organ scene, it was a dvd and seemed to be recorded at a very low volume. Reference sounded more like -10.

Yeah, I heard dual Ultras in your room and liked them for movies not music. However even for movies I felt like a single Submersive had more output all the way down as low as the Ultras would go and the single Captivator out paced them even more from 20hz and up. Not a real close fight either way. However, suspended wood floor trumps all of the above IMO!!
post #7414 of 18525
Ever since you guys had me turn the subs facing each other I've been in LFE Heaven with the dual S2's. Bass is intense! And yes it takes a lot of sub to overcome concrete. :-)
post #7415 of 18525
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Ever since you guys had me turn the subs facing each other I've been in LFE Heaven with the dual S2's. Bass is intense! And yes it takes a lot of sub to overcome concrete. :-)

Ha, and also made you crank them up way more than you usually do!! biggrin.gif

Cool, glad to hear it. Love that room, by far the largest HT room I've been in.
post #7416 of 18525
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Ever since you guys had me turn the subs facing each other I've been in LFE Heaven with the dual S2's. Bass is intense! And yes it takes a lot of sub to overcome concrete. :-)

Ok, now you have peaked my curiosity. I have dual S2 as well. What is having them face each other suppose to do??
post #7417 of 18525
Nothing magical it just is the best placement for my subs in my room and at my MLP.
post #7418 of 18525
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

Nothing magical it just is the best placement for my subs in my room and at my MLP.

Gotcha. I thought maybe there was some super secret JTR voo doo magic Sub configuration smile.gif
post #7419 of 18525
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

How about the T8 HT-LPs - will they work well on stands for surrounds in a 14' X 14' room?

You should really come and listen for yourself. PM me if interested. smile.gif
post #7420 of 18525
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Horns in a small room can work.

How about this in a 2100 cubic foot room



These measure 70x33x38!

One word ... claustrophobic tongue.gifwink.gif
post #7421 of 18525
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

One word ... claustrophobic tongue.gifwink.gif

I would add two words...Swiffer Duster. cool.gif
post #7422 of 18525
JTR Moment,

My daughter is learning one of the songs from Pirates of the Caribbean on the violin so I downloaded the album and cranked it for the kids. I felt like I was sitting in the orchestra pit. The bass from the S2 was particularly impressive. I never think of orchestra music as shaking the house, particularly with my concrete floor.

Carp,

I have been meaning to ask. Regarding the music listening that you do on the Noesis, are you strictly a stereo guy for 2 channel music or do you ever use one of the processed multichannel settings like Prologic II Music to bring in your center channel?
post #7423 of 18525
I'm assuming there are some differences between 888's and 888-LP's due to smaller cabinet of the LP in a 14x21 room using as LCR?
post #7424 of 18525
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

I'm assuming there are some differences between 888's and 888-LP's due to smaller cabinet of the LP in a 14x21 room using as LCR?

Other than the -3db point of 70hz vs 78 for the LP not a lot of difference. Apparently the vented versions of the T12's and Noesis 212 have a bit more mid bass but I didn't notice much if any difference (I've had both T8's). There is a certain cleanliness to the sound of the sealed Triple 8's that I like and that was one of the the deciding factors in my Noesis 212 LP purchase. Add in their boundary tolerance I would probably go all sealed if I had a do over.
Edited by RMK! - 2/26/13 at 1:57pm
post #7425 of 18525
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

JTR Moment,

My daughter is learning one of the songs from Pirates of the Caribbean on the violin so I downloaded the album and cranked it for the kids. I felt like I was sitting in the orchestra pit. The bass from the S2 was particularly impressive. I never think of orchestra music as shaking the house, particularly with my concrete floor.

Carp,

I have been meaning to ask. Regarding the music listening that you do on the Noesis, are you strictly a stereo guy for 2 channel music or do you ever use one of the processed multichannel settings like Prologic II Music to bring in your center channel?

With every other set of speakers I have owned (Cerwin Vega, Axiom, Magnepan, Elemental Designs Cinema 12's) I have mostly used pro logic 2 music or the dts neo surround. Sometimes with the Maggies I went stereo but even with those (and I did have the Magnepan on wall surrounds and a horizontal Maggie center) I usually used surround.

With the Noesis for the first time I'm almost all 2 channel stereo. Every now and then I'll use pl2x but when I do I've changed the dimension setting to +3 which means the volume to the surrounds is way down, most everything comes from the center and left/right mains.

It does sound really good with the center going, but there is something really cool about running it in 2 channel and having it seem like the center is still on since the imaging is so good.

What I should try sometime is putting the center vertical and see what pl2x music sounds like and also movies/tv. I'm kind of afraid to try it because I don't want to like it so much that I'll be forced to go with a false wall right away and I don't want to mess with that for awhile.
post #7426 of 18525
Eh Carp,

Just hang your screen from the ceiling for a while until you can get the whole false wall built. Mine has been this way for a year now, haha.
post #7427 of 18525
The key to making multi channel music sound better than 2 channel is 7 speakers with even capability. Strong fronts with weak surrounds will almost certainly end with 2 channel being the preference. I never listen to anything but complete surround. My SS & RS are just as important as the fronts in maintaining a seamless system. It probably also has alot to do with the fact that I don't stray away from Rock music either. I am in the process of putting together some surrounds that will truly hold their own with my T12's. As of this moment I consider my surrounds as a weak spot and music is where they show their flaws. A person listens to 2 channel music but one experiences multichannel music especially on a complete JTR system.
Rob has a complete 9.2 JTR system. I wander what he thinks about 2channel vs Multi? To me it seams a waste to have 9 great speakers and only use 2 of them.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 2/26/13 at 9:06am
post #7428 of 18525
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

With every other set of speakers I have owned (Cerwin Vega, Axiom, Magnepan, Elemental Designs Cinema 12's) I have mostly used pro logic 2 music or the dts neo surround. Sometimes with the Maggies I went stereo but even with those (and I did have the Magnepan on wall surrounds and a horizontal Maggie center) I usually used surround.

With the Noesis for the first time I'm almost all 2 channel stereo. Every now and then I'll use pl2x but when I do I've changed the dimension setting to +3 which means the volume to the surrounds is way down, most everything comes from the center and left/right mains.

It does sound really good with the center going, but there is something really cool about running it in 2 channel and having it seem like the center is still on since the imaging is so good.

What I should try sometime is putting the center vertical and see what pl2x music sounds like and also movies/tv. I'm kind of afraid to try it because I don't want to like it so much that I'll be forced to go with a false wall right away and I don't want to mess with that for awhile.
Once you do decide to go that way, you will never look back. Putting the speakers behind a screen was one of the best upgrades I have made to my system.
post #7429 of 18525
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

The key to making multi channel music sound better than 2 channel is 7 speakers with even capability. Strong fronts with weak surrounds will almost certainly end with 2 channel being the preference. I never listen to anything but complete surround. My SS & RS are just as important as the fronts in maintaining a seamless system. It probably also has alot to do with the fact that I don't stray away from Rock music either. I am in the process of putting together some surrounds that will truly hold their own with my T12's. As of this moment I consider my surrounds as a weak spot and music is where they show their flaws. A person listens to 2 channel music but one experiences multichannel music especially on a complete JTR system.
Rob has a complete 9.2 JTR system. I wander what he thinks about 2channel vs Multi? To me it seams a waste to have 9 great speakers and only use 2 of them.
Chris

Not always. My biggest focus is soundstage. I want to close my eyes and be able to pinpoint where each and every instrument is in front of me, just like a real concert. I was watching Dream Theater last night and the 5.1 DTS track was great enough to really lock in that stage image, while adding nice ambient surround, but when it comes down to just plain ole music listening, I will never do anything other than 2 channel.

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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

Once you do decide to go that way, you will never look back. Putting the speakers behind a screen was one of the best upgrades I have made to my system.

+1 far and away the best move I have made, other than that additional space lost, but that was no matter to me anyways biggrin.gif
post #7430 of 18525
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

The key to making multi channel music sound better than 2 channel is 7 speakers with even capability. Strong fronts with weak surrounds will almost certainly end with 2 channel being the preference. I never listen to anything but complete surround. My SS & RS are just as important as the fronts in maintaining a seamless system. It probably also has alot to do with the fact that I don't stray away from Rock music either. I am in the process of putting together some surrounds that will truly hold their own with my T12's. As of this moment I consider my surrounds as a weak spot and music is where they show their flaws. A person listens to 2 channel music but one experiences multichannel music especially on a complete JTR system.
Rob has a complete 9.2 JTR system. I wander what he thinks about 2channel vs Multi? To me it seams a waste to have 9 great speakers and only use 2 of them.
Chris
I am looking forward to getting another 4 JTR's in a few weeks so I will have 7 with similar capabilities. I will have to try out some Dolby and DTS surround music options as well as just listening to the Noesis stereo imaging.
Edited by Jedirun - 2/26/13 at 10:00am
post #7431 of 18525
Jedi
You are going to love it. When watching concert BRs you become part of the audience. It completes the JTR experience.wink.gif
Chris
post #7432 of 18525
OK I was set on buying 3 Noesis 228HT's for LCR in dedicated room but just read that they are vented (I'm taking this to mean a port on back?)...wondering if this will be an issue for my front wall and room: I do not have a perforated screen so was going to place the L/R outside the screen with center below screen but behind a false front wall. The L/R were going to be in corners with maybe 4-5 inches behind.

What problems will this cause, and should I instead get sealed 888's?
post #7433 of 18525
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

OK I was set on buying 3 Noesis 228HT's for LCR in dedicated room but just read that they are vented (I'm taking this to mean a port on back?)...wondering if this will be an issue for my front wall and room: I do not have a perforated screen so was going to place the L/R outside the screen with center below screen but behind a false front wall. The L/R were going to be in corners with maybe 4-5 inches behind.

What problems will this cause, and should I instead get sealed 888's?


All vented JTRs are front vented
post #7434 of 18525
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

All vented JTRs are front vented



Cool, then I'm good to go!
post #7435 of 18525
Mark, the ports or vents are the 3 slots you see on each side. Cool look IMO.

post #7436 of 18525
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Eh Carp,

Just hang your screen from the ceiling for a while until you can get the whole false wall built. Mine has been this way for a year now, haha.

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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

Once you do decide to go that way, you will never look back. Putting the speakers behind a screen was one of the best upgrades I have made to my system.

Ha, you guys are killing me! smile.gif

Would you say the vertical center makes that big of a difference or are there other improvements besides that?
post #7437 of 18525
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Originally Posted by carp View Post


Ha, you guys are killing me! smile.gif

Would you say the vertical center makes that big of a difference or are there other improvements besides that?

For 2 channel ... no tongue.gif

Having the dialog emanate from behind the screen rather than below it is a significant improvement. As Jedi said, once you go AT there's no going back smile.gif.
post #7438 of 18525
Hi all,

I am in the process of upgrading my L/C/R for my new apartment. I currently have Swan Diva 6.1 for L/R, C3 for center, and 4.1 for surrounds. My new room will only be 14'8" x 13'8"x 9'. Right side of the living room opens up to the kitchen. My main focus is 90% movies, TV, console/PC gaming and 10% music (mostly highly compressed MP3s). I've also decided to go with a projector and screen setup and selling my beloved Pioneer Kuro plasma.

I do like my Swans but I have the upgrade fever. After reading a majority of the Speakers forum, I am narrowing down my decisions to either the new JTR Noesis 228HT for L/C/R (thank you all for the great info/reviews) or the Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon as L/C/R. I know you can use place the three Sierra Horizons horizontally in L/C/R. Can the 228HTs be placed horizontally across the front, say 36 inches off the floor either on stands or on subwoofers with isolations pad (thanks, Carp!) for the left and rights? I'd toe in the left and right to point toward the the center the couch.

If you have other JTR speaker choices for L/C/R, I'd love to hear them or if you feel either the JTR/Ascend setup is not optimal for my room, I'm open to other suggestions.

Thanks for your help!
post #7439 of 18525
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

The key to making multi channel music sound better than 2 channel is 7 speakers with even capability. Strong fronts with weak surrounds will almost certainly end with 2 channel being the preference. I never listen to anything but complete surround. My SS & RS are just as important as the fronts in maintaining a seamless system. It probably also has alot to do with the fact that I don't stray away from Rock music either. I am in the process of putting together some surrounds that will truly hold their own with my T12's. As of this moment I consider my surrounds as a weak spot and music is where they show their flaws. A person listens to 2 channel music but one experiences multichannel music especially on a complete JTR system.
Rob has a complete 9.2 JTR system. I wander what he thinks about 2channel vs Multi? To me it seams a waste to have 9 great speakers and only use 2 of them.
Chris

It was really amazing to me how good multichannel music could sound once I got the 9.2 JTR setup in place. Even when I had my Revels, the LCR"s were nice for music but the Revel in-walls and on-walls were weak in comparison to the LCR's and so I didn't play much MC music.

Having the LCR's and surrounds as close to the same voice as possible is what makes MC music great. The surround backs and heights are nice for movies and they can add a bit to MC music but the 5 main speakers do most of the heavy lifting. The T8-LP's are great side surround speakers and are just as complimentary to the Noesis as they were to the Triple 12's.

So to answer your question Chris, when I listen to music, it is almost always multichannel and usually 5.1. It's like 5th row center at a live concert. cool.gif
post #7440 of 18525
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Originally Posted by carp View Post


Ha, you guys are killing me! smile.gif

Would you say the vertical center makes that big of a difference or are there other improvements besides that?
We have to get you back for talking us into upgrading our otherwise perfectly good systems with your enthusiasm over the Noesis. wink.gif

Seriously though, I know with many speakers, it makes a big difference to run the center vertical, versus horizontal. I don't think that would make as big a difference with your Noesis with the low crossover to the woofers from the compression drivers. The two big improvements are getting all three speakers on the same level and at ear level as well as having the sound come right from the screen, rather than from around it.
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