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post #7501 of 18543
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That's to bad because with a 5.1 setup the "surrounds" are on the sidewall. It is the surround backs that are on a back wall. I would not put surrounds on the back wall but if you must, then the back wall corners and 45° the speakers aiming at the center LP would work. If you do this then T8's would give you more potent surround effects. I'd get the T8LP's as they are more boundary tolerant (that's what I have wink.gif).

In my 5.2 setup my surrounds are going to be on the side walls behind the sitting area just a bit. But I planned on angling them towards the seating area.
post #7502 of 18543
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

In my 5.2 setup my surrounds are going to be on the side walls behind the sitting area just a bit. But I planned on angling them towards the seating area.

It was a terminology disconnect, you said you were only using "rear surrounds" and to me that implies surround backs which are behind the listener normally on the back wall.

Carry on...smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 3/2/13 at 12:07pm
post #7503 of 18543
I am considering buying a pair of used T8s HT to use for surrounds, ear height from MLP is 35" how high of a stand would I need to get them properly positioned?
post #7504 of 18543
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

I am considering buying a pair of used T8s HT to use for surrounds, ear height from MLP is 35" how high of a stand would I need to get them properly positioned?
I think that the typical recommendation is 1-2 feet above ear height, so since it is 13" to the center of a T8 when standing upright, 34"-46" stands.
post #7505 of 18543
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

I am considering buying a pair of used T8s HT to use for surrounds, ear height from MLP is 35" how high of a stand would I need to get them properly positioned?

The JTR's allow you to position the CD/Coaxial in either the center or the upper/lower position. For my Triple-8LP's side surrounds I had Jeff position the CD so that it would be on top (you can also easily move them yourself). In my setup it is 68" to the center of the CD from the floor and that makes it approx 20" above seated head height (front row) and approx 1' above rear row seated head height. This has worked out very well.

My Slanted 8's surround back and height speakers are approx 96" off of the floor and that works well for all seats.
post #7506 of 18543
So I got my XLR cable in the mail yesterday morning, I plugged it up but didn't have time to mess with it. This morning I turned everything on and I didn't think I was getting any sound from the sub. I was in my kitchen and I heard some bass and thought ok cool here it goes. Went back and checked and it was the T8s I had heard. Did some reading on the denon forum and found out how to change the settings. Got the sub working and I ran like a little girl to get my Incredible Hulk blu ray. Put it in and put it on the fighting scene. OMG!!!!! Love it. Can't wait till my center arrives and hopefully soon I can get get my surrounds but I am definitely happy with my purchase so far. We were gonna go to the movies tonight but have decided to stay home and just watch a bunch of scenes with great bass!!!! I can't stop smiling. biggrin.gif

Thanks to everyone on this forum for all the help.
post #7507 of 18543
That's very cool JC,

I find that going to the movies is a very occasional situation for me. It is usually when traveling and there is a good theater (IMAX) showing something I want to see/hear. It helps me appreciate exactly what I have created and how much more enjoyable the movie at home experience is ... cool.gif

BTW, get that Art of Flight bluray as soon as you can... and crank it up! eek.gif
post #7508 of 18543
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That's very cool JC,

I find that going to the movies is a very occasional situation for me. It is usually when traveling and there is a good theater (IMAX) showing something I want to see/hear. It helps me appreciate exactly what I have created and how much more enjoyable the movie at home experience is ... cool.gif

BTW, get that Art of Flight bluray as soon as you can... and crank it up! eek.gif
Yea my girl said "this is better than being in the theatre." I saw that movie listed in the 5 star bass thread so ill definitely be checking it out soon. biggrin.gif
post #7509 of 18543
Finally got around to watching Skyfall last night. That movie is a great example of what makes owning a Theater at Home such great fun. From the classic opening Bond song/chase sequence to the beautiful cinematography and terrific DTS soundtrack, this movie is all about mindless entertainment and is a must own for any serious HT person.

With a big screen and big sound this is as good as it gets ... cool.gif
post #7510 of 18543
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Finally got around to watching Skyfall last night. That movie is a great example of what makes owning a Theater at Home such great fun. From the classic opening Bond song/chase sequence to the beautiful cinematography and terrific DTS soundtrack, this movie is all about mindless entertainment and is a must own for any serious HT person.

With a big screen and big sound this is as good as it gets ... cool.gif

Ditto!
post #7511 of 18543
+1. The subway crash has some intense bass!
post #7512 of 18543
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Finally got around to watching Skyfall last night. That movie is a great example of what makes owning a Theater at Home such great fun. From the classic opening Bond song/chase sequence to the beautiful cinematography and terrific DTS soundtrack, this movie is all about mindless entertainment and is a must own for any serious HT person.

With a big screen and big sound this is as good as it gets ... cool.gif

Cool, I am looking forward to this one. I bought this as well as the other two Daniel Craig Bond movies a couple of weeks ago. We watched Casino Royale already. The picture quality and sound was fantastic. The plan was to watch Quantum of Solace this weekend and Skyfall the next, but I may intersperse some kids movies for a couple of weeks before watching Skyfall until the 228's show up so I can enjoy this movie with a whole surround system.
post #7513 of 18543
Speaking of movies that sounded great, I watched Sinister this weekend on my system and man it has a great sound track as well. First horror movie I've been somewhat scared by and freaked out by at parts in a long long time. The atmosphere is great in general during the whole movie.

I can only imagine how much better it woulda been if I had my surround speakers as well. This was only with the front 3 and 2 subs.
post #7514 of 18543
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Speaking of movies that sounded great, I watched Sinister this weekend on my system and man it has a great sound track as well. First horror movie I've been somewhat scared by and freaked out by at parts in a long long time. The atmosphere is great in general during the whole movie.

I can only imagine how much better it woulda been if I had my surround speakers as well. This was only with the front 3 and 2 subs.

Lots of folks panned it but I'll give it a try! Can't say no to a good mix!
post #7515 of 18543
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I just wanted to share my somewhat crude implementation of a Slanted 8 mounting solution for the height channel speakers. I used some OSB I had scraps of and built a triangular shaped bracket that is screwed into the ceiling, and the Slanted 8 is hanging off of that bracket. They actually look pretty cool from the front, as they appear to be floating in the air.


In case anyone is wondering, those are 2011 Triple 12HT-LP's in the L, C, R, Wides and Surround locations. I have some close-up pictures of the T12 drivers if anyone is interested in seeing them. Perhaps they have been posted here before already.


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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Hah definitely not going to do a 7.2 setup, so that is out of the question! Only will have the rear surrounds.

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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


I didn't catch the only 5.2 instead of 7.2. The Slanted 8's have a different CD (Neo mag) vs the T8's so they are alot more capable then you might think. If you are mounting on the rear wall I would do the Slanted 8's and not think twice. If for some reason down the road you want more, as we all do, then add the T8's on the side to make a 7.2. system.
Once again do not let the small size fool you. There are almost never used Slanted 8's 4 sale for a reason.
Chris

Another vote for Slanted 8's; In used them for heights and rear surrounds in an 11.4 setup. The Slanted 8's have 4 "keyhole" slots on the back to facilitate mounting. While not pretty, my DIY height channel brackets for the Slanted 8's can be made to look better. For me, they disappear in my "batcave". I hung the rear surround Slanted 8's directly on the wall.

I hope this helps.

Mark
post #7516 of 18543
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post



Another vote for Slanted 8's; In used them for heights and rear surrounds in an 11.4 setup. The Slanted 8's have 4 "keyhole" slots on the back to facilitate mounting. While not pretty, my DIY height channel brackets for the Slanted 8's can be made to look better. For me, they disappear in my "batcave". I hung the rear surround Slanted 8's directly on the wall.

I hope this helps.

Mark

That is a really good idea Mark and I wish I had seen this before I drilled holes in my Slanted 8 Heights for the speaker mounts. Also, your solution makes disconnecting them much easier.

BTW, and just in case anyone was wondering, my mounting holes for the heights were not drilled through the cabinet wall, just into it. smile.gif
post #7517 of 18543
Anyone know how much of a difference the Slanted 8's from 2009 or 2010 would be compared to the newer models? And just once again, these will be used as the rears/surrounds in my 5.2 setup. There are a couple pairs of older models but I'm wondering if paying extra for newer models would make any real difference for the surrounds.
post #7518 of 18543
At some point around 2009 or 2010, Jeff updated the S8's. The frequency response went from 100 Hz-18 kHz to 80 Hz-20 kHz or something like that. I do not know the exact point that the change was made or how much difference there would be in actual performance as surrounds.
post #7519 of 18543
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Anyone know how much of a difference the Slanted 8's from 2009 or 2010 would be compared to the newer models? And just once again, these will be used as the rears/surrounds in my 5.2 setup. There are a couple pairs of older models but I'm wondering if paying extra for newer models would make any real difference for the surrounds.

I am still using my 2010 Slanted 8s as surround backs/heights and there are no issues. I even used one of them as the center channel with the Triple8 LP's as mains while i was waiting for the Noesis 212's and I was amazed how good the Slanted 8 sounded for the all important CC duty. Dialog clarity was really good. The only issue was (and this should be obvious) that they would not play as loud as the T12's. Again, at my normal movie watching volume (approx -7 to -10db ref) the combo presented a very good front soundstage so for surround duty they will be and are excellent. wink.gif
post #7520 of 18543
Just had a great demo on the noesis228 at archaea's place which ended on a perfect scene popping all the breakers in his basement! Nothing like getting extremely crazy with sub gain, transducer gain, and +8.5 db on the main volume on art of flight! Carp would have been proud of you Jonathan!
post #7521 of 18543
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Originally Posted by Scrappydue View Post

Just had a great demo on the noesis228 at archaea's place which ended on a perfect scene popping all the breakers in his basement! Nothing like getting extremely crazy with sub gain, transducer gain, and +8.5 db on the main volume on art of flight! Carp would have been proud of you Jonathan!
So now that you are one of a handful of people to have heard both versions of the Noesis, can you give us more detail about what you thought of them, both comparisons between the 2 and what you thought of the speakers in general?
post #7522 of 18543
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Originally Posted by Scrappydue View Post

Just had a great demo on the noesis228 at archaea's place which ended on a perfect scene popping all the breakers in his basement! Nothing like getting extremely crazy with sub gain, transducer gain, and +8.5 db on the main volume on art of flight! Carp would have been proud of you Jonathan!

Good lord Jonathan, I thought only the Orbit Shifter was capable of tripping your 20 amp lines!! Crap, should I have run 2 30 amp lines down here instead of 20?!?!?!

At any rate, sounds like you guys had a good time while I was slaving away on sub building duty.
post #7523 of 18543
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

So now that you are one of a handful of people to have heard both versions of the Noesis, can you give us more detail about what you thought of them, both comparisons between the 2 and what you thought of the speakers in general?

If he says he liked the little guys better I say it's irrelevant since he didn't hear them in the same room. If he likes the big boys better, then so let it be written so let it be done - case closed. tongue.gifwink.gifsmile.gif
post #7524 of 18543
I will give a comparison in my opinion when I go back once Jonathan gets his center and I spend a little more time there. Wasn't there for very long tonight since I brought a friend with me.
post #7525 of 18543
ha...nice carp. you make me laugh.




Yeah we blew two 20 amp breakers tonight. First time since the orbit shfiters in my room.

Both popped at the same time. One that projector, sump, and crown xls-5000 is on, one that the rest of my gear is on. tongue.gif

There was quite a bit of draw. An INuke DSP3000 on the transducers, a crown xls202 on the 228HT, onkyo TX-NR1007 receiver, mic2200, and PS3.

And then the Crown XLS-5000 and 2200VA UPS mated to projector and sump pump on the other.

Both circuits tripped at 8.5dB above reference on art of flight. I had to try to keep up with you carp. wink.gif
post #7526 of 18543
Scrappydue, you know what's funny. You guys liked the transducers I understood, the next visitor, who made it over about 5 minutes after you left, by the name of Tony - avsforum handle cowboys - disliked the transucers and asked me to turn them off shortly after turning them on. We didn't get quite as crazy for his demo session because it was getting late.

My wife told me after you guys left that the girls were crying at two points during the demo session because we were so loud down there and the floor was moving upstairs so much. (4 and 1 years old). Ha. I mean - whoops!

Edit:

When I went upstairs at one point during cowboys visit - my 4 year old Daughter said daddy daddy daddy, the floor is moving, are you done yet?



I need a concrete underground bunker/lair. wink.gif
Edited by Archaea - 3/5/13 at 7:33am
post #7527 of 18543
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Originally Posted by Scrappydue View Post

I will give a comparison in my opinion when I go back once Jonathan gets his center and I spend a little more time there. Wasn't there for very long tonight since I brought a friend with me.
Don't leave us hanging too long. wink.gif My 228's won't ship for at least another 2 weeks. I need to live vicariously through other listeners in the meantime.
post #7528 of 18543
I think cowboys might have been more impressed with the 228ht than the caps? That's just backwards to me! smile.gif
post #7529 of 18543
Does Cowboys have a suspended wood floor and a sub? That could be why.

Or, are you saying he liked both but liked the 228's better?
post #7530 of 18543
Yes both of the guys have suspended wooden floors that demoed. I relayed the difference between suspended wooden floors and basement slab can not be underestimated. wink.gif
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