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post #7711 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Yeah I think I'm going to give it a go. It may not be too pretty but it will be functional.

I went to HD and looked at the nicer wooden shelf bracket things, however the way that those mount to the wall won't work for me because they won't be on a stud.

I picked up 2 heavy duty L brackets that are metal and I plan to put that on the stud. Then I got 4 smaller L brackets that I will put on each side of the shelf and mount with drywall anchors. Then I have some left over plywood from when I built my speaker stands that I will make the shelf with.

I plan to paint all the L brackets black then maybe use duratex for the shelf, which will blend with the speakers. However it may look kind of ugly so I'm not 100% sure yet.
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Might want to consider painting the brackets and shelves the wall color as you do not want to draw attention to them ...

Good luck smile.gif

BTW, youtube has some very good to horrible instructional videos on how to do little home projects like this. Might want to check them out some time.
post #7712 of 18412
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Might want to consider painting the brackets and shelves the wall color as you do not want to draw attention to them...

I like that idea. Although the duratex looks great on your stands, it would probably really stand out on the wall. Clearly you have some woodworking skills as your stands look great. This should turn out well.
post #7713 of 18412
Jeff said he would be interested in making an LCR set of Noesis 410HT for me. Four 10" bass drivers tuned to 40hz and the monster CD from the N212. I won't be ready for it until the fall, so I'm going to try and audition the N212s before then. My next upgrade will be between this custom monster from Jeff, or something from Danley. I plan to take a road trip this summer to Atlanta to audition the Danley speakers and hopefully find someone with the N212s along the way to let me audition them. I'm very excited.
Edited by Dbuudo07 - 3/25/13 at 5:44am
post #7714 of 18412
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

Jeff said he would be interested in making an LCR set of Noesis 410HT for me. Four 10" bass drivers tuned to 40hz and the monster CD from the N212. I won't be ready for it until the fall, so I'm going to try and audition the N212s before then. My next upgrade will be between this custom monster from Jeff, or something from Danley. I plan to take a road trip this summer to Atlanta to audition the Danley speakers and hopefully find someone with the N212s along the way to let me audition them. I'm very excited.

Wow, that will be a beast of a speaker. That said, I hope you get to hear the N212 with a good sub system... simply amazing. cool.gif
post #7715 of 18412
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Wow, that will be a beast of a speaker. That said, I hope you get to hear the N212 with a good sub system... simply amazing. cool.gif

Definitely! I don't want to use these speakers down to 40hz, I just want the high pass roll off to be handled cleanly. I'll probably cross them over at 60hz or higher. I've noticed when I cross my 2010 T8HTs over at 70hz, certain moments can sound rough. Rare moments, but I still don't like it. Once my trip is fully planned, I'll ask around for who has the N212s and hopefully arrange a demo. I'm driving 14 hours from Toronto, Canada to Atlanta, so here's hoping someone in between has 'em.
post #7716 of 18412
So I ghetto rigged my basement for the time being to get the surrounds up and hear them before I get the stands ready. I brought down my JBL towers from upstairs that are 44" tall and put them on top of em. It's actually at a great height.

As I mentioned before there is definitely something wrong with one of the speakers. So I just did the Audyssey calibration with the surrounds hooked up, and wow there is DEFINITELY something wrong with the right surround Triple 8.

I've posted a video of the calibration, and I can tell from the video how it sounds different. But in person it definitely is REALLY noticeable. I brought my wife down and asked her to tell me which one sounded different and within a second she picked it out.

Anyways, here is the video. The 4th speaker is the right surround. Try and listen and tell me if you can hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--pCu1scUY

Anyways, I'm wondering what you guys suggest I do to diagnose the problem here. The main issue I noticed in the calibration is that there is no "punch" when those speakers make their sound during the calibration. It just sounds muffled, and to be honest, it sounds like the woofers aren't even hitting at all.

Is there any specific tunes you all suggest I listen to to try and pinpoint the problem with them? Should I just contact Jeff after I get the warranty transferred over to me, since it is still within the 5 year period and see what he says?

And the odd part is that I watched the opening scene to Saving Private Ryan after calibration, and I wouldn't even be able to tell you that there is something wrong with the speaker. Makes me wonder how damn good it will sound when it's flawless. Even how it is now, the surrounds sounded insane!

And on that note, what is the crossover recommended that are used for surrounds? Mine was set to 250hz after calibration and I couldn't hear barely anything out of them. I changed it to 120hz and then it sounded awesome. But I'm not sure if I should set it higher or lower than that. I have my center at 100hz and my fronts at 60hz.

I'm going to watch The Hobbit right now with my wife because we were holding out until I got the surrounds setup, so I'll see how it sounds during the whole movie.
post #7717 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So I ghetto rigged my basement for the time being to get the surrounds up and hear them before I get the stands ready. I brought down my JBL towers from upstairs that are 44" tall and put them on top of em. It's actually at a great height.

As I mentioned before there is definitely something wrong with one of the speakers. So I just did the Audyssey calibration with the surrounds hooked up, and wow there is DEFINITELY something wrong with the right surround Triple 8.

I've posted a video of the calibration, and I can tell from the video how it sounds different. But in person it definitely is REALLY noticeable. I brought my wife down and asked her to tell me which one sounded different and within a second she picked it out.

Anyways, here is the video. The 4th speaker is the right surround. Try and listen and tell me if you can hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--pCu1scUY

Anyways, I'm wondering what you guys suggest I do to diagnose the problem here. The main issue I noticed in the calibration is that there is no "punch" when those speakers make their sound during the calibration. It just sounds muffled, and to be honest, it sounds like the woofers aren't even hitting at all.

Is there any specific tunes you all suggest I listen to to try and pinpoint the problem with them? Should I just contact Jeff after I get the warranty transferred over to me, since it is still within the 5 year period and see what he says?

And the odd part is that I watched the opening scene to Saving Private Ryan after calibration, and I wouldn't even be able to tell you that there is something wrong with the speaker. Makes me wonder how damn good it will sound when it's flawless. Even how it is now, the surrounds sounded insane!

And on that note, what is the crossover recommended that are used for surrounds? Mine was set to 250hz after calibration and I couldn't hear barely anything out of them. I changed it to 120hz and then it sounded awesome. But I'm not sure if I should set it higher or lower than that. I have my center at 100hz and my fronts at 60hz.

I'm going to watch The Hobbit right now with my wife because we were holding out until I got the surrounds setup, so I'll see how it sounds during the whole movie.
My guess is that something got disconnected on the car ride. I would open them up and look for loose wires.
post #7718 of 18412
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

My guess is that something got disconnected on the car ride. I would open them up and look for loose wires.

Well they were sitting flat in a trunk and I put clothes around them and they were pretty snug in there. I'd be surprised if something came loose.

But is there something specific from the sound in the video or something I said that makes you think that?

And by "open them" you mean just taking the drivers off and looking around inside of them? I've just never done it before and don't wanna do something stupid heh. But I also don't want to void a warranty or anything.
post #7719 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So I ghetto rigged my basement for the time being to get the surrounds up and hear them before I get the stands ready. I brought down my JBL towers from upstairs that are 44" tall and put them on top of em. It's actually at a great height.

As I mentioned before there is definitely something wrong with one of the speakers. So I just did the Audyssey calibration with the surrounds hooked up, and wow there is DEFINITELY something wrong with the right surround Triple 8.

I've posted a video of the calibration, and I can tell from the video how it sounds different. But in person it definitely is REALLY noticeable. I brought my wife down and asked her to tell me which one sounded different and within a second she picked it out.

Anyways, here is the video. The 4th speaker is the right surround. Try and listen and tell me if you can hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--pCu1scUY

Anyways, I'm wondering what you guys suggest I do to diagnose the problem here. The main issue I noticed in the calibration is that there is no "punch" when those speakers make their sound during the calibration. It just sounds muffled, and to be honest, it sounds like the woofers aren't even hitting at all.

Is there any specific tunes you all suggest I listen to to try and pinpoint the problem with them? Should I just contact Jeff after I get the warranty transferred over to me, since it is still within the 5 year period and see what he says?

And the odd part is that I watched the opening scene to Saving Private Ryan after calibration, and I wouldn't even be able to tell you that there is something wrong with the speaker. Makes me wonder how damn good it will sound when it's flawless. Even how it is now, the surrounds sounded insane!

And on that note, what is the crossover recommended that are used for surrounds? Mine was set to 250hz after calibration and I couldn't hear barely anything out of them. I changed it to 120hz and then it sounded awesome. But I'm not sure if I should set it higher or lower than that. I have my center at 100hz and my fronts at 60hz.

I'm going to watch The Hobbit right now with my wife because we were holding out until I got the surrounds setup, so I'll see how it sounds during the whole movie.

That sucks but as Jedi said a wire connection is a possibility. Carefully remove all of the drivers and make sure they are connected. Then check the other ends of those wires that should be attached to terminals on the crossover board. Carefully remove some of the dampening material if you need to to get a better look.

If the wires are all connected then it is either a driver(s) or the crossover that has the issue. PM Jeff and have him listen to the youtube. From the sound I think you may be right in that it might be the woofer has the issue.

Question, did the previous owner upgrade the crossovers and CD's of these speakers?
Edited by RMK! - 3/25/13 at 6:05pm
post #7720 of 18412
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That sucks but as Jedi said a wire connection is a possibility. Carefully remove all of the drivers and make sure they are connected. Then check the other ends of those wires that should be attached to terminals on the crossover board. Carefully remove some of the dampening material if you need to to get a better look.

If the wires are all connected then it is either a driver(s) or the crossover that has the issue. PM Jeff and have him listen to the youtube. From the sound I think you may be right in that it might be the woofer has the issue.

Question, did the previous owner upgrade the crossovers and CD's of these speakers?

Hi i am the previous owner, i did not upgrade the cds and crossovers on the triple 8's, i did them for my quintuples though.

I pray it is a loose wire.
post #7721 of 18412
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

Hi i am the previous owner, i did not upgrade the cds and crossovers on the triple 8's, i did them for my quintuples though.

I pray it is a loose wire.

Thanks for the info. In thinking about this, Audyssey may have given a clue with the surround crossover setting at 250hz. My T8s were never set higher than 80hz by Audyssey and so that may be an indication of a woofer problem or a problem with the crossover. Swapping woofers withthe working T8 might tell the tale.

A PITA but ...
post #7722 of 18412
I got a chance to listen to a few of songs that I used to use back in college to test my meager systems. Namely they were Chariots of Fire by Vangelis, Always with Me, Always with You by Joe Satriani and Only Time by Enya. These are not the type of music I normally listen to, but man they sounded good on the 228's and S2. I these compression drivers are on par with anything I have ever listened to.
post #7723 of 18412
purbeast,

I am not sure if there is any warranty left on your T8s. Before I bought his quintuples I called Jeff to inquire about the warranty and he said that the warranty used to be 3 years and he recently changed it to 5.

Being said that, I also believe that it's loose wire (or even shorting speaker wire, have you checked that?). Worst case you may end up replacing a driver which isn't too expensive.

I am sure you will love them. If I did not have space constraints I would have bought them too along with the quintuples smile.gif
post #7724 of 18412
Well I watched The Hobbit tonight even though one of them isn't quite right, and to be honest, I would not have been able to tell you something is up with them. Watching my first movie in true 5.2 with all JTR gear was truly incredible. I did notice now that I have my surrounds that I did have to turn the main volume down a bit because some of the action scenes were starting to make my ears ring after the scene lol. But I changed it to a nice level and it was awesome.

Tomorrow I will mess around with possibly opening up the speakers. I've just never done it before and don't want to mess something up. Is it as easy as simply unscrewing the drivers and pulling them out, and they will have connectors that slip off? Or are they soldered to something inside?
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Originally Posted by logicators View Post

purbeast,

I am not sure if there is any warranty left on your T8s. Before I bought his quintuples I called Jeff to inquire about the warranty and he said that the warranty used to be 3 years and he recently changed it to 5.

Being said that, I also believe that it's loose wire (or even shorting speaker wire, have you checked that?). Worst case you may end up replacing a driver which isn't too expensive.

I am sure you will love them. If I did not have space constraints I would have bought them too along with the quintuples smile.gif

ufokillerz said he sent Jeff an email about it so we'll see what he says.

And I also just want to say that I'm 100% confident that he did not sell these knowing they had any issues or anything, so I just want to put that out there that I'm not trying to accuse ufokillerz of doing something like that, if it was coming off like that, but I didn't think it was. He's been a great seller and seems like a really nice guy, and had great communication the past 2 months (or more) that I've been talking to him about the speakers, and he sold them at one HELL of a price! As I mentioned I myself probably wouldn't have known there was anything wrong at all had I not heard the speaker by itself and compared it to the others. During the movie scenes I've already watched with them, they sound great.

I'm not too worried and am pretty confident that I will get them working 100% in the near future, even if it means getting some other parts.
post #7725 of 18412
+1. He is a great guy!
post #7726 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post


Tomorrow I will mess around with possibly opening up the speakers. I've just never done it before and don't want to mess something up. Is it as easy as simply unscrewing the drivers and pulling them out, and they will have connectors that slip off? Or are they soldered to something inside?
yes it is as easy as unscrewing the drivers and pulling them out. You will need the right size Allen wrench of course. They are slip on connectors. They are pretty sturdy, but it is of course, possible that one got disconnected. It is even possible that both of the woofers on that T8 are not getting any signal/power. Hopefully, that is all it is and you will not need a new driver. When you take them apart pay attention to where the wires are hooked up so you can get everything back together if any more wires get disconnected. The first time I did it, I wrote down all of the colors of the wires so I would not mix them up. If you do need a new driver, Jeff should be able to get it to you. He is building me a Triple 8 to 2010 specs so it will match my other 3.
post #7727 of 18412
Okay cool ufokillerz was telling me exactly what connectors are inside so tonight I'm going to take a crack at it and check out what is going on inside of them. Hopefully it is just something loose!
post #7728 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Okay cool ufokillerz was telling me exactly what connectors are inside so tonight I'm going to take a crack at it and check out what is going on inside of them. Hopefully it is just something loose!

Removing the speaker hex head screws is much easier if you have a power drill or screwdriver. Just don't over tighten them or apply a lot of down pressure when screwing them in or out as they use T-nuts and you don't want to dislodge the t-nut.
post #7729 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Okay cool ufokillerz was telling me exactly what connectors are inside so tonight I'm going to take a crack at it and check out what is going on inside of them. Hopefully it is just something loose!
Just wanted to confirm what everyone else has already said. It's easy to remove these and have a look. I got some T8s and they are the first speakers I have ever owned so I was really worried about opening them up and screwing something up. So don't worry about that, and hopefully it is just a loose wire in there
post #7730 of 18412
Cool thanks for the tips, will report back tonight with the findings. I have some hex bits so that will make it easier for sure.
post #7731 of 18412
I'm sorry to hear one of your Triple 8's isn't working properly. If you send it in I'll fix it for you.
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So I ghetto rigged my basement for the time being to get the surrounds up and hear them before I get the stands ready. I brought down my JBL towers from upstairs that are 44" tall and put them on top of em. It's actually at a great height.

As I mentioned before there is definitely something wrong with one of the speakers. So I just did the Audyssey calibration with the surrounds hooked up, and wow there is DEFINITELY something wrong with the right surround Triple 8.

I've posted a video of the calibration, and I can tell from the video how it sounds different. But in person it definitely is REALLY noticeable. I brought my wife down and asked her to tell me which one sounded different and within a second she picked it out.

Anyways, here is the video. The 4th speaker is the right surround. Try and listen and tell me if you can hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--pCu1scUY

Anyways, I'm wondering what you guys suggest I do to diagnose the problem here. The main issue I noticed in the calibration is that there is no "punch" when those speakers make their sound during the calibration. It just sounds muffled, and to be honest, it sounds like the woofers aren't even hitting at all.

Is there any specific tunes you all suggest I listen to to try and pinpoint the problem with them? Should I just contact Jeff after I get the warranty transferred over to me, since it is still within the 5 year period and see what he says?

And the odd part is that I watched the opening scene to Saving Private Ryan after calibration, and I wouldn't even be able to tell you that there is something wrong with the speaker. Makes me wonder how damn good it will sound when it's flawless. Even how it is now, the surrounds sounded insane!

And on that note, what is the crossover recommended that are used for surrounds? Mine was set to 250hz after calibration and I couldn't hear barely anything out of them. I changed it to 120hz and then it sounded awesome. But I'm not sure if I should set it higher or lower than that. I have my center at 100hz and my fronts at 60hz.

I'm going to watch The Hobbit right now with my wife because we were holding out until I got the surrounds setup, so I'll see how it sounds during the whole movie.
post #7732 of 18412
Hey Jeff, thanks for stopping by. I just dropped you a PM with a couple questions.
post #7733 of 18412
So I got some disappointing news.

Tonight I wanted to see if I could diagnose the problem.

The first thing I did was put my receiver in the "channel test mode" that just plays white noise so you can set the db level. When I put it on the T8 that is working fine, I put my ear right next to each of the 3 drivers. The coax one was pretty damn loud, and then the woofers i could definitely hear sound coming out of them.

So I then went to the T8 that is having issues and did the same thing. The coax was loud but did not seem as loud. I then put my ear next to both of the woofers and there is no sound coming from either of them at all. I don't know if the coax didn't seem as loud because the other 2 drivers in the speaker aren't making any noises, or if it simply isn't as loud because something is wrong.

I then unscrewed all of the drivers so I could look inside. I did not disconnect any wires from anything, but I pulled a little on all of them and they are all on there tight. On both the coax there 4 wires connected to it seem to be fine, and then on the woofers the 2 wires going to each seem to be fine as well. One thing I DID notice though, is that the piece you connect both of the wires to on the woofers seemed to be slightly loose. I'm not sure if that is normal or not but the whole piece that both wires connect could be jiggled a bit and it would turn slightly.

I took as good a look at the crossover as I could, but it was kind of hard with the angle and stuff. But from what I could tell, nothing stuck out at all.

I took some pics with my camera to actually inspect it a bit more and it was easier for me to take a look at it, but again, it all looked okay to me (although I am a noob).

Here is the gallery if anyone wants to take a look at the pics and see if anything sticks out.

http://imgur.com/5cnalfk,7qKT2mb,RdNSj9x,NIe8HYe,YtuHhEI,SF2zSR7,MabAuTw,vyD2mdY,Gw8c1cq

They are pretty hi-res and you can click on them to enlarge them. Since they are close up they be kind of awkward though.

So I'm gonna just contact Jeff and see how I can get it over to him so he can take a look at it, unless someone finds something obvious in the pics.
post #7734 of 18412
I can't tell you what is wrong, but I think Jeff's custom crossovers look top notch!

I'd work through Jeff, he'll get it fixed right for you! It's awesome to have a vendor come on here to help with a problem on the RARE occasion that something shows up!
post #7735 of 18412
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So I got some disappointing news.

Tonight I wanted to see if I could diagnose the problem.

The first thing I did was put my receiver in the "channel test mode" that just plays white noise so you can set the db level. When I put it on the T8 that is working fine, I put my ear right next to each of the 3 drivers. The coax one was pretty damn loud, and then the woofers i could definitely hear sound coming out of them.

So I then went to the T8 that is having issues and did the same thing. The coax was loud but did not seem as loud. I then put my ear next to both of the woofers and there is no sound coming from either of them at all. I don't know if the coax didn't seem as loud because the other 2 drivers in the speaker aren't making any noises, or if it simply isn't as loud because something is wrong.

I then unscrewed all of the drivers so I could look inside. I did not disconnect any wires from anything, but I pulled a little on all of them and they are all on there tight. On both the coax there 4 wires connected to it seem to be fine, and then on the woofers the 2 wires going to each seem to be fine as well. One thing I DID notice though, is that the piece you connect both of the wires to on the woofers seemed to be slightly loose. I'm not sure if that is normal or not but the whole piece that both wires connect could be jiggled a bit and it would turn slightly.

I took as good a look at the crossover as I could, but it was kind of hard with the angle and stuff. But from what I could tell, nothing stuck out at all.

I took some pics with my camera to actually inspect it a bit more and it was easier for me to take a look at it, but again, it all looked okay to me (although I am a noob).

Here is the gallery if anyone wants to take a look at the pics and see if anything sticks out.

http://imgur.com/5cnalfk,7qKT2mb,RdNSj9x,NIe8HYe,YtuHhEI,SF2zSR7,MabAuTw,vyD2mdY,Gw8c1cq

They are pretty hi-res and you can click on them to enlarge them. Since they are close up they be kind of awkward though.

So I'm gonna just contact Jeff and see how I can get it over to him so he can take a look at it, unless someone finds something obvious in the pics.
my crossovers are slightly different because they were made earlier that year, but It looks like the negatives for your woofers are plugged into the positive. Therefore no current is going to your woofers. Plug the black wires that are together into the terminal next to the one with the white and red wires from the coaxial like this, and I think your problem is solved. Sorry my picture sucks. I took it with my phone.



Edit: strike that. The crossovers are different enough that I can't be sure. It may be worth it to take apart your other speaker and make sure that the crossovers are wired the same.

Looking closer it looks like where the black wires are connected is electrically connected to the common negative so it is probably wired correctly.
Edited by Jedirun - 3/26/13 at 9:02pm
post #7736 of 18412
You can try to visually trace the from where the red wires from the woofers connect to see if there is a loose connection somewhere. It is probably something loose in the crossover, since it would be very unlikely for both woofers to fail at once.
post #7737 of 18412
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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

anybody else got the 228ht? I thought jeff ship the the first batch on the 15th of march.
I have mine and they are awesome. I haven't seen anyone else post that they have received theirs yet.
post #7738 of 18412
Yeah I'd love to read some more posts from guys who ordered the first batch of 228HT's. It helps keep me sane while I wait for mine.
post #7739 of 18412
Just checking in on my JTR brothers. I have never watched more movies in my life than I have since I bought the JTR speakers (to be fair I also have my first projector which I am enjoying a lot). That to me is the ultimate comment on how much one enjoys their system....do they use it as much as they can....for me the answer is yes . Glad to see all the new Noesis owners enjoying or soon to be enjoying their new toys smile.gif
post #7740 of 18412
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Just checking in on my JTR brothers. I have never watched more movies in my life than I have since I bought the JTR speakers (to be fair I also have my first projector which I am enjoying a lot). That to me is the ultimate comment on how much one enjoys their system....do they use it as much as they can....for me the answer is yes . Glad to see all the new Noesis owners enjoying or soon to be enjoying their new toys smile.gif

I struggle to force myself to watch movies with the Noesis. Even if I plan on watching a movie I'll turn on some music first and then I can't stop listening to music. I'll tell myself that I'll just watch a movie the next night - next night same thing, nothing but music.

These are music speakers first and foremost IMO although it would be interesting to hear if that's what Jeff was thinking when he designed them. I'm not saying they aren't great for movies (understatement), but I think it's easier to make a speaker that sounds great for movies than it is for music.

Frohlich, I am like you, I listen to these speakers as often as I can.
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