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post #8401 of 18361
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post #8402 of 18361
PeterK
Go to the JTRspeakers.com website and click on the forum. Then click on Announcements and news. At the top is the thread custom finishes.
That's about the best pictures available.
Chris
post #8403 of 18361
Thanks Chris!

I was seriously considering the Catalyst 8Cs but at $9000 shipped in the finish I wanted for 3 I held off. A full 7 speaker setup got pricey fast!
As I don't really need amped speakers, these JTRs become interesting. Will have to get some pricing from Jeff.
post #8404 of 18361
I just received three of the Noesis speakers... They are a great looking and sounding speaker..
post #8405 of 18361
So what are the speakers shown that have 5 drivers in a floor stander? Something custom?
Are they 8" or 12" drivers?
post #8406 of 18361
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

So what are the speakers shown that have 5 drivers in a floor stander? Something custom?
Are they 8" or 12" drivers?

Quintuple 8's. They are custom order only and do not appear in the "Residential" speaker list.The new Noesis 228's in a custom finish might work for you.
post #8407 of 18361
That is what I am thinking too. smile.gif
post #8408 of 18361
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

That is what I am thinking too. smile.gif

Jeffs Veneer pricing is very fair in the audio industry, i found it a bit too cheap to believe actually! 2months + until my custom Noesis 212HTS that are veneered. WAF is a must nowadays hah.
post #8409 of 18361
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

Jeffs Veneer pricing is very fair in the audio industry, i found it a bit too cheap to believe actually! 2months + until my custom Noesis 212HTS that are veneered. WAF is a must nowadays hah.
I went AT screen route to achieve WAF for the LCR and sub, I am wrapping my T8 surrounds in white speaker grill cloth to match my acoustic panels. A little ghetto, I know, but if it passes the test, it will be worth it.
post #8410 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

I went AT screen route to achieve WAF for the LCR and sub, I am wrapping my T8 surrounds in white speaker grill cloth to match my acoustic panels. A little ghetto, I know, but if it passes the test, it will be worth it.

what ever works, as long as the wife is happy, i have a large living room, hard to do a AT screen, too bright for AT screen most of the time here too, i have like windows galore.

if this veneer works out, it is very possible for 6 Single8's or slanted 8's to be in my budget come christmas.
post #8411 of 18361
I hate to admit this, but I have had a very limited time with my new Noesis speakers..

We spent last weekend integrating the new subs into the system as well and that was more work than I was expecting.

I am going to spend some more time tonight watching some familar material and will be able to give a better review then.

What I will say is that I feel like the Noesis aren't a drastic jump from my T12's (mine didn't have any updates done to them) but they did impress with me with the how dynamic they sounded. This was especially true in heavy dialog scenes of a few scenes I watched. It was enough to make me smile and realize I have a pretty darn good system now. The new subs are amazing too but are for another thread..

More to come...
post #8412 of 18361
Eh, c'mon bro! You can lump the sub stuff in here, people need to see the light!!!!
post #8413 of 18361
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I hate to admit this, but I have had a very limited time with my new Noesis speakers..

We spent last weekend integrating the new subs into the system as well and that was more work than I was expecting.

I am going to spend some more time tonight watching some familar material and will be able to give a better review then.

What I will say is that I feel like the Noesis aren't a drastic jump from my T12's (mine didn't have any updates done to them) but they did impress with me with the how dynamic they sounded. This was especially true in heavy dialog scenes of a few scenes I watched. It was enough to make me smile and realize I have a pretty darn good system now. The new subs are amazing too but are for another thread..

More to come...

Lots of us that came from the T12's to the Noesis feel the same way. You'll notice things here and there that the Noesis do better but it's not like a night and day difference. Just goes to show how good the T12's actual are!
post #8414 of 18361
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Lots of us that came from the T12's to the Noesis feel the same way. You'll notice things here and there that the Noesis do better but it's not like a night and day difference. Just goes to show how good the T12's actual are!

+1
post #8415 of 18361
Do you guys think there is a significant difference between the 888's and triple 12's? I've never heard the 12's but I've heard the 8's multiple times and to me there is a very noticeable difference between the 888's and the 212's. Now, that's for music. For movies the differences are much smaller IMO. If I were doing movies only I could not have justified the Noesis. Speaking of that, I'm not trying to justify my purchase. I can't tell you how many hours I have on these baby's listening to music - I'm way past knowing I made the right decision. smile.gif I guess I am a bit bummed that you guys may not be hearing the same thing I am when it comes to music (and I guess it could be the style of music I listen to as well that draws out the differences - who knows).

Awww screw it, what this probably really means is I need to hear the triple 12's sometime. It's one of the very few JTR products that I haven't heard.
post #8416 of 18361
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Do you guys think there is a significant difference between the 888's and triple 12's? I've never heard the 12's but I've heard the 8's multiple times and to me there is a very noticeable difference between the 888's and the 212's. Now, that's for music. For movies the differences are much smaller IMO. If I were doing movies only I could not have justified the Noesis. Speaking of that, I'm not trying to justify my purchase. I can't tell you how many hours I have on these baby's listening to music - I'm way past knowing I made the right decision. smile.gif I guess I am a bit bummed that you guys may not be hearing the same thing I am when it comes to music (and I guess it could be the style of music I listen to as well that draws out the differences - who knows).

Awww screw it, what this probably really means is I need to hear the triple 12's sometime. It's one of the very few JTR products that I haven't heard.
Carp, I am with you, I came from the 2012T12lp and for me movies showed much less difference but for music the highs and mids just sound more pleasing to my ears. I am not even sure it is a matter of music vs dialog or blu ray vs CD's. What I mean is blu ray music always sounded great with the T12's but the Noesis seems to make a wider variety of sources sound better, the highs just seem higher yet smoother IMO. I do know the horns measure better in my room with less treatments though. Both are fantastic, if mostly movies I would recommend the T12 if budget difference between the two is a concern at all.
post #8417 of 18361
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Carp, I am with you, I came from the 2012T12lp and for me movies showed much less difference but for music the highs and mids just sound more pleasing to my ears. I am not even sure it is a matter of music vs dialog or blu ray vs CD's. What I mean is blu ray music always sounded great with the T12's but the Noesis seems to make a wider variety of sources sound better, the highs just seem higher yet smoother IMO. I do know the horns measure better in my room with less treatments though. Both are fantastic, if mostly movies I would recommend the T12 if budget difference between the two is a concern at all.

What is indisputable is the superiority (lower distortion hence better clarity) of the upgraded compression driver in the Noesis. I agree that with a great HD soundtracks the differences are less noticeable but with average source material (CD's) the low distortion Compression Driver makes a difference. I think Carps listening habits are different than many of us HT nutz and so he gets more benefit from the Noesis advantage.
post #8418 of 18361
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Do you guys think there is a significant difference between the 888's and triple 12's? I've never heard the 12's but I've heard the 8's multiple times and to me there is a very noticeable difference between the 888's and the 212's. Now, that's for music. For movies the differences are much smaller IMO. If I were doing movies only I could not have justified the Noesis. Speaking of that, I'm not trying to justify my purchase. I can't tell you how many hours I have on these baby's listening to music - I'm way past knowing I made the right decision. smile.gif I guess I am a bit bummed that you guys may not be hearing the same thing I am when it comes to music (and I guess it could be the style of music I listen to as well that draws out the differences - who knows).

Awww screw it, what this probably really means is I need to hear the triple 12's sometime. It's one of the very few JTR products that I haven't heard.
Is there a difference between the T8 and T12? In a big room YES. You can relate to the differences between the 228 & 212.
Going from the T12 to the 212? Yes a performance increase with more detail but still subtle as the T12 can do so much and the are identical in every way except cd/horn.
The night and day performance difference comes when going from another brand to JTR ( ED Cinema 12s to the Noesis 212). I went from Mythos ST to the T12 and it was a light bulb moment for me. I do not expect that type of performance gain going from T12 to the Noesis but more like making a great speaker (T12) even better (Noesis212).
I think some of your confusion is thinking the T8s and T12s are the same. A lot of people seem to think that since they have heard the T8 then they automatically know how the T12 will perform.
If you ever read about an individual not liking or just being negative toward JTR products it usually comes from them listening to the T8 or an older model JTR speaker. I rarely read about someone that has owned or listened to a 2012 T12 and is not impressed. Now if the T12 is being played full range then that's a different situation altogether.
I posted 8-9 months ago that people complaining about JTR speakers not being good for music and have come to realize it usually isn't the speaker but the person.
JTR speakers infuriate some people and those individuals will never give the proper credit to Jeff for his accomplishments with this type of design.
My T12s do great with music but I will admit that contradictive comments (usually made by individuals who haven't even heard them) used to cause me confusion but When listening to my system there is no confusion just clear distortion free sound reproduction with overwhelming dynamics and spl.
That's my take on owning the T12s for the past 20 months vs the negative comments I read on other threads.
Anyone who owns the Noesis 212 has an outstanding speaker that would be hard to outperform at twice the price.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 6/20/13 at 10:38am
post #8419 of 18361
can't wait for the noesis 212s to get here
i had jtr 888s originally, then quintuples, then went to yorkville u215s/u15, and i find myself right back at JTR's doorsteps. still about 2 months or so before i will hear anything from jeff. Jeff makes quality things regardless of which one, quality parts in crossovers that you would normally find in speakers many times the cost.
post #8420 of 18361
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


My T12s do great with music but I will admit that contradictive comments (usually made by individuals who haven't even heard them) used to cause me confusion but When listening to my system there is no confusion just clear distortion free sound reproduction with overwhelming dynamics and spl.
That's my take on owning the T12s for the past 20 months vs the negative cooments I read on other threads.
Anyone who owns the Noesis 212 has an outstanding speaker that would be hard to outperform at twice the price.
Chris

To break it down: If I had purchased "traditional" speakers, at 2-5 times the price of JTR speakers, and then subsequently learned the JTR speakers can wipe the floor with those more expensive speakers, I would be mad. Fortunately, I purchased my last set of "traditional" speakers in 2001, and when I was ready for a new set, Internet Direct was the only option I was considering. I found out about JTR, found this thread, read through it, and decided on a blind buy (no demo). I am not that picky, but there are many JTR owners who are, so I figured if it was good enough for them...

Mark
post #8421 of 18361
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

can't wait for the noesis 212s to get here
i had jtr 888s originally, then quintuples, then went to yorkville u215s/u15, and i find myself right back at JTR's doorsteps. still about 2 months or so before i will hear anything from jeff. Jeff makes quality things regardless of which one, quality parts in crossovers that you would normally find in speakers many times the cost.

Hi ufokillerz. You've had/got some terrific speakers! Will you still have the Yorkville U215's when your new Noesis 212's arrive? I'd love to hear your impressions on how these two beasts compare head-to-head. Premium coax CD -v- Unity horn; 12's -v- 15's... awesome!

[Sorry if you've mentioned this already: Are your Noesis a custom build? A veneer? Is that why they're taking ~2 months?]
post #8422 of 18361
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Originally Posted by GIEGAR View Post

Hi ufokillerz. You've had/got some terrific speakers! Will you still have the Yorkville U215's when your new Noesis 212's arrive? I'd love to hear your impressions on how these two beasts compare head-to-head. Premium coax CD -v- Unity horn; 12's -v- 15's... awesome!

[Sorry if you've mentioned this already: Are your Noesis a custom build? A veneer? Is that why they're taking ~2 months?]

i might or might not have the Yorkvilles then, but a lot of people at a northeast get together got to hear the yorkvilles, and noesis amongst others.

They are custom height, i'm guessing they will be custom depth or width too when done, horns mounted up top, and veneered, hopefully Jeff can locate the binding posts closer to the bottom for me as well.
post #8423 of 18361
Hi all,

I'm new to this AVS thread, but am looking for some helpful insight from JTR owners.

Okay, I recently overhauled my home theatre of roughly 10 years.
When it came time to choose speakers I orginally looked at Axioms, Pure Acoustics, Aperion and Kefs.
I actually settled on the Kefs and ordered in a 5.1 setup in their new Q series.
I invited a close friend (who was a die-hard JTR guy) over to check out my new setup.
He ripped my new Kefs Q-Series apart in his critiquing and offered me to demo his older JTRs.
Drove over to his house and fetched the insanely heavy speakers and hooked them up in place of the Kefs.
We demo'd the opening to "Prometheus" and I was sold.
He had already upgraded to the Triple 12's and offered to sell me his Triple 8's (mains), his Quintuple 8 (center) and a pair of Slanted 8's (surrounds). These speakers are 2010 iirc.

They were a bit older but had hardly any hours on them because my friend is a basket case and is constantly upgrading his gear. However he sold them to me for a fair price and I quickly boxed up and sent the Kefs back.

Now for the questions to the forum:

My Home Cinema room is 15x20.
I'm using a Yamaha RXV-773WA AVR in a 5.1 layout.
We are using (don't laugh) a Polk 550PSW for LFE.

The rest of my gear is in my signature :-)

These speakers are deafening anywhere near reference levels. As loud as some of these blasted IMAX theatres in our area, but without all of the distortion, just plain LOUD!
My Yamaha doesn't even get hot the least bit and seems to have no issues driving these behemoth sounding speakers.

Forum folk post alot about using external amplifiers to power their home cinema speakers. Is there a method to their madness or are they drunk off the decibles?

From what I've learned with JTRs, they are highly efficient speakers to start with. Would I actually hear an improvement by going with external amps in my setup?

Also, the Noesis speakers are now out, would I hear a noticable difference in a upgrade?

Also, I would truly like to upgrade my Polk and take my setup all JTR. The Captivator is insanely expensive and I was wondering where I could find one used? I've never see JTRs listed for sale anywhere on any websites other from JTR's main webpage?

Any answers to my questions would be greatly appreciated.
post #8424 of 18361
^^ Thanks for the reply ufokillerz. Be sure to post some pics when you get 'em. I'll have a read through that NE G2G thread again.
post #8425 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Shauri026 View Post

Hi all,

I'm new to this AVS thread, but am looking for some helpful insight from JTR owners.

Okay, I recently overhauled my home theatre of roughly 10 years.
When it came time to choose speakers I orginally looked at Axioms, Pure Acoustics, Aperion and Kefs.
I actually settled on the Kefs and ordered in a 5.1 setup in their new Q series.
I invited a close friend (who was a die-hard JTR guy) over to check out my new setup.
He ripped my new Kefs Q-Series apart in his critiquing and offered me to demo his older JTRs.
Drove over to his house and fetched the insanely heavy speakers and hooked them up in place of the Kefs.
We demo'd the opening to "Prometheus" and I was sold.
He had already upgraded to the Triple 12's and offered to sell me his Triple 8's (mains), his Quintuple 8 (center) and a pair of Slanted 8's (surrounds). These speakers are 2010 iirc.

They were a bit older but had hardly any hours on them because my friend is a basket case and is constantly upgrading his gear. However he sold them to me for a fair price and I quickly boxed up and sent the Kefs back.

Now for the questions to the forum:

My Home Cinema room is 15x20.
I'm using a Yamaha RXV-773WA AVR in a 5.1 layout.
We are using (don't laugh) a Polk 550PSW for LFE.

The rest of my gear is in my signature :-)

These speakers are deafening anywhere near reference levels. As loud as some of these blasted IMAX theatres in our area, but without all of the distortion, just plain LOUD!
My Yamaha doesn't even get hot the least bit and seems to have no issues driving these behemoth sounding speakers.

Forum folk post alot about using external amplifiers to power their home cinema speakers. Is there a method to their madness or are they drunk off the decibles?

From what I've learned with JTRs, they are highly efficient speakers to start with. Would I actually hear an improvement by going with external amps in my setup?

Also, the Noesis speakers are now out, would I hear a noticable difference in a upgrade?

Also, I would truly like to upgrade my Polk and take my setup all JTR. The Captivator is insanely expensive and I was wondering where I could find one used? I've never see JTRs listed for sale anywhere on any websites other from JTR's main webpage?

Any answers to my questions would be greatly appreciated.
First of all, congrats on the JTR speakers.
May I know which KEF Q speakers you were using before? Q300/500/700/900?
Regarding the external amp, maybe some are worried that the typical AVR (rated at 8ohm) will be damaged by the 4ohm JTR speakers.
post #8426 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Shauri026 View Post

Hi all,

I'm new to this AVS thread, but am looking for some helpful insight from JTR owners.

Okay, I recently overhauled my home theatre of roughly 10 years.
When it came time to choose speakers I orginally looked at Axioms, Pure Acoustics, Aperion and Kefs.
I actually settled on the Kefs and ordered in a 5.1 setup in their new Q series.
I invited a close friend (who was a die-hard JTR guy) over to check out my new setup.
He ripped my new Kefs Q-Series apart in his critiquing and offered me to demo his older JTRs.
Drove over to his house and fetched the insanely heavy speakers and hooked them up in place of the Kefs.
We demo'd the opening to "Prometheus" and I was sold.
He had already upgraded to the Triple 12's and offered to sell me his Triple 8's (mains), his Quintuple 8 (center) and a pair of Slanted 8's (surrounds). These speakers are 2010 iirc.

They were a bit older but had hardly any hours on them because my friend is a basket case and is constantly upgrading his gear. However he sold them to me for a fair price and I quickly boxed up and sent the Kefs back.

Now for the questions to the forum:

My Home Cinema room is 15x20.
I'm using a Yamaha RXV-773WA AVR in a 5.1 layout.
We are using (don't laugh) a Polk 550PSW for LFE.

The rest of my gear is in my signature :-)

These speakers are deafening anywhere near reference levels. As loud as some of these blasted IMAX theatres in our area, but without all of the distortion, just plain LOUD!
My Yamaha doesn't even get hot the least bit and seems to have no issues driving these behemoth sounding speakers.

Forum folk post alot about using external amplifiers to power their home cinema speakers. Is there a method to their madness or are they drunk off the decibles?

From what I've learned with JTRs, they are highly efficient speakers to start with. Would I actually hear an improvement by going with external amps in my setup?

Also, the Noesis speakers are now out, would I hear a noticable difference in a upgrade?

Also, I would truly like to upgrade my Polk and take my setup all JTR. The Captivator is insanely expensive and I was wondering where I could find one used? I've never see JTRs listed for sale anywhere on any websites other from JTR's main webpage?

Any answers to my questions would be greatly appreciated.

Welcome to HT Audio and glad you are enjoying the JTR's. Your Yamaha is providing adequate power for the speakers and your sub is now the weak link so looking at an upgrade there is more important than anything else you mentioned.

There is a pair of older Captivator's for sale in the AVS Classified section that would be a huge upgrade for you assuming you have the room for dual subs of that size. I think the seller is motivated so I'm sure a deal could be made if you were so inclined. I know those subs well as I was the original owner. They sound great for music and movies but are slightly less capable than the current Captivators but still more than anyone really "needs" IMHO. I was even thinking of buying them back but the shipping to me is a deal breaker. If you are closer to PA it is worth investigating as they are a bargain at the current price and he might take less.

Feel free to PM me if you want more details and good luck!
post #8427 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Shauri026 View Post

Hi all,

Also, the Noesis speakers are now out, would I hear a noticable difference in a upgrade?


As much as I love my Noesis speakers I would not suggest an upgrade if you are more of a movies guy. For me the difference between the 888's and Noesis 212's is dramatic for music but much closer with movies.

Also, I agree with RMK that your sub is what need to be upgraded. If you are loving the sound now wait until you get a capable sub(s)!! smile.gif

BTW, do you have pictures of your setup? I'm curious about your motorized AT screen.... well that and I just like seeing other people's setups, especially with JTR gear. smile.gif
post #8428 of 18361
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Welcome to HT Audio and glad you are enjoying the JTR's. Your Yamaha is providing adequate power for the speakers and your sub is now the weak link so looking at an upgrade there is more important than anything else you mentioned.

There is a pair of older Captivator's for sale in the AVS Classified section that would be a huge upgrade for you assuming you have the room for dual subs of that size. I think the seller is motivated so I'm sure a deal could be made if you were so inclined. I know those subs well as I was the original owner. They sound great for music and movies but are slightly less capable than the current Captivators but still more than anyone really "needs" IMHO. I was even thinking of buying them back but the shipping to me is a deal breaker. If you are closer to PA it is worth investigating as they are a bargain at the current price and he might take less.

Feel free to PM me if you want more details and good luck!
I was going to suggest the same thing. I did not realize that they were originally your subs. Were they the first generation that was tuned a little lower?
post #8429 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

I was going to suggest the same thing. I did not realize that they were originally your subs. Were they the first generation that was tuned a little lower?


No, second gen 6th order band pass design. I sold them along with a nice Crest amp via Jeff when I got the orbit shifters I really liked them and as long as they were kept under 120db no issues. That should be plenty of output for virtually anyone but then there are those of us who want no boundaries. If it weren't for the OS's, I would probably still have them. wink.gif
post #8430 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

First of all, congrats on the JTR speakers.
May I know which KEF Q speakers you were using before? Q300/500/700/900?
Regarding the external amp, maybe some are worried that the typical AVR (rated at 8ohm) will be damaged by the 4ohm JTR speakers.


I had ordered the Kef Q900 Series floor stand speakers (L&R), Q600CB (C) and two QB300s (SL&SR).

Voices out of the Kef sounded twingy/ringy (kinda hard to explain) to me. Voices out of the Quintuple 8 sounded like actual human speech from across the room. That same awesome sound you hear in Cineplexes.

Our Yamaha RXV-773WA features a 8ohm and a 6ohm mode. I'm quite sure I switched the AVR over to 6ohm to come as close to the JTRs 4ohm impedance.
The JTRs reproduce that true cinema sound to me.
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