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post #9121 of 18432
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Originally Posted by rangers View Post

carp, I looked again and had my wife help me look. I swear it all looks round to us. I'll let ya'll know what Jeff tells me, maybe he can straighten me out, if it is possible, ha.

Okay, don't be too hard on me, I am an audio novice and have learned what little I do know about it on this site. I have no friends into this stuff, hence no hands on help. Anyway, I ran Audessey MultiEQ XT
with my Denon 3312. I don't know how to set my subs correctly because it set their level at -12 when I was done. Crossover was set at 60. I haven't received my stands yet for my left and right fronts so
they are sitting on the floor (carpet). After that I raised the level of my subs to -4 and put in a concert Blu Ray, Julieta Venegas MTV Unplugged.......

Wow! Great clarity, especially when I was sitting in the Main position. I am very impressed, especially knowing I have not even come close to what my system can and will be. I plan on ordering a SubM
early next week, hopefully my stands will come in and if not maybe I can use my current subs as stands.

I am already thrilled with my JTR purchase and that's a good thing!

Here you go:






Now, this is the 212's so maybe the 228's aren't oval I don't know.
post #9122 of 18432
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Originally Posted by rangers View Post

carp, I looked again and had my wife help me look. I swear it all looks round to us. I'll let ya'll know what Jeff tells me, maybe he can straighten me out, if it is possible, ha.

Okay, don't be too hard on me, I am an audio novice and have learned what little I do know about it on this site. I have no friends into this stuff, hence no hands on help. Anyway, I ran Audessey MultiEQ XT
with my Denon 3312. I don't know how to set my subs correctly because it set their level at -12 when I was done. Crossover was set at 60. I haven't received my stands yet for my left and right fronts so
they are sitting on the floor (carpet). After that I raised the level of my subs to -4 and put in a concert Blu Ray, Julieta Venegas MTV Unplugged.......

Wow! Great clarity, especially when I was sitting in the Main position. I am very impressed, especially knowing I have not even come close to what my system can and will be. I plan on ordering a SubM
early next week, hopefully my stands will come in and if not maybe I can use my current subs as stands.

I am already thrilled with my JTR purchase and that's a good thing!
How much did Audyssey set the speaker trim level for your 228? How far are the 228 from your listening position?
post #9123 of 18432
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Originally Posted by rangers View Post

carp, I looked again and had my wife help me look. I swear it all looks round to us. I'll let ya'll know what Jeff tells me, maybe he can straighten me out, if it is possible, ha.

Okay, don't be too hard on me, I am an audio novice and have learned what little I do know about it on this site. I have no friends into this stuff, hence no hands on help. Anyway, I ran Audessey MultiEQ XT
with my Denon 3312. I don't know how to set my subs correctly because it set their level at -12 when I was done. Crossover was set at 60. I haven't received my stands yet for my left and right fronts so
they are sitting on the floor (carpet). After that I raised the level of my subs to -4 and put in a concert Blu Ray, Julieta Venegas MTV Unplugged.......

Wow! Great clarity, especially when I was sitting in the Main position. I am very impressed, especially knowing I have not even come close to what my system can and will be. I plan on ordering a SubM
early next week, hopefully my stands will come in and if not maybe I can use my current subs as stands.

I am already thrilled with my JTR purchase and that's a good thing!

Don't worry you're not crazy, I couldn't tell either on my 228HT's and neither could my wife or buddy that helped me unpack them! Lol

I had to remove the horns to see which way they were orientated.
post #9124 of 18432
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

How much did Audyssey set the speaker trim level for your 228? How far are the 228 from your listening position?

Front left is set at -10.5 and FR is at -9, I sit about 13.5 ft away
post #9125 of 18432
I will get a SPL Meter and figure out how to calibrate my system in these next few weeks as my new sub and stands roll in
post #9126 of 18432
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Originally Posted by rangers View Post

I will get a SPL Meter and figure out how to calibrate my system in these next few weeks as my new sub and stands roll in
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Hi rangers,
Post some pictures of your setup! Congrats ! You will be having some fun , lots of it.
What's your room layout look like?









PeterV.
post #9127 of 18432
So i've decided that I 'm going with a Seymour center stage A.T. Screen . I have no experience with AT screens and JTR speakers as my T12lp's.
I have some concerns as to how close I can get to the ATscreen with the Center T12lp. I'll have to cut a cavity into my front wall so i can get a box that I will build into the cutout, there is limited room behind the front wall. So what do you guys that have AT screens think , is six inches enough? I'm worried the T12lp will cause screen movement. Only the center channel JTR is going behind the screen. The box into the wall will actually be the stand for the T12lp.





PeterV
post #9128 of 18432
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

So i've decided that I 'm going with a Seymour center stage A.T. Screen . I have no experience with AT screens and JTR speakers as my T12lp's.
I have some concerns as to how close I can get to the ATscreen with the Center T12lp. I'll have to cut a cavity into my front wall so i can get a box that I will build into the cutout, there is limited room behind the front wall. So what do you guys that have AT screens think , is six inches enough? I'm worried the T12lp will cause screen movement. Only the center channel JTR is going behind the screen. The box into the wall will actually be the stand for the T12lp.





PeterV

Give me a call or shoot me an email if you would like to discuss. Sounds like you are doing exactly what I did. I had an XD screen with my center only behind the screen. I cut out an opening in the front wall and boxed out an area to place the center speaker.
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post #9129 of 18432
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

So i've decided that I 'm going with a Seymour center stage A.T. Screen . I have no experience with AT screens and JTR speakers as my T12lp's.
I have some concerns as to how close I can get to the ATscreen with the Center T12lp. I'll have to cut a cavity into my front wall so i can get a box that I will build into the cutout, there is limited room behind the front wall. So what do you guys that have AT screens think , is six inches enough? I'm worried the T12lp will cause screen movement. Only the center channel JTR is going behind the screen. The box into the wall will actually be the stand for the T12lp.





PeterV
I used to have the exact same set up with Seymour XD AT screen and JTR T12lp behind the screen (only the center was behind screen). I also had to cut into the drywall to make room. The speaker can come to within inches and not have any negative effects on sound or moving the screen even crossed as low as the lp will go. I now have the vented Noesis all behind an XD screen and still no negative effects from the ports and each speaker is probably only about 3 maybe 4 inches from the screen material. I dont see any issues
post #9130 of 18432
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

So i've decided that I 'm going with a Seymour center stage A.T. Screen . I have no experience with AT screens and JTR speakers as my T12lp's.
I have some concerns as to how close I can get to the ATscreen with the Center T12lp. I'll have to cut a cavity into my front wall so i can get a box that I will build into the cutout, there is limited room behind the front wall. So what do you guys that have AT screens think , is six inches enough? I'm worried the T12lp will cause screen movement. Only the center channel JTR is going behind the screen. The box into the wall will actually be the stand for the T12lp.





PeterV

Hey dude, click on the master measurement link in my sig to see the VERY slight rolloff you should expect from the speaker being behind the material. The attenuation is pretty much a non-event. Those measurements were also with the speakers toed in a shade but right up on the screen. Quality stuff. Also, what size screen are you going for? If you are building your own screen I might have some XD material you could use if it is 16:9 and under 126"
post #9131 of 18432
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I used to have the exact same set up with Seymour XD AT screen and JTR T12lp behind the screen (only the center was behind screen). I also had to cut into the drywall to make room. The speaker can come to within inches and not have any negative effects on sound or moving the screen even crossed as low as the lp will go. I now have the vented Noesis all behind an XD screen and still no negative effects from the ports and each speaker is probably only about 3 maybe 4 inches from the screen material. I dont see any issues
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Thanks Ibrown, that's exactly the info i'm looking for! Sounds like i can breath easier.
post #9132 of 18432
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Hey dude, click on the master measurement link in my sig to see the VERY slight rolloff you should expect from the speaker being behind the material. The attenuation is pretty much a non-event. Those measurements were also with the speakers toed in a shade but right up on the screen. Quality stuff. Also, what size screen are you going for? If you are building your own screen I might have some XD material you could use if it is 16:9 and under 126"



beast thanks I'll be checking on your link. My current screen is a 235.1 apr , 126" wide by 54" high viewing area . I'll be replacing the screen material with the Seymour XD same size.
Other concerns are whether the T12lp will need to be tilted etc.



Mike at AVS ! Sent you a pm.
post #9133 of 18432
Anyone using the 228HTs as surrounds? At $300 premium over the 8HTs it would seem like they would be worth it especially for surround sides. Any way to wall mount them? Any reason not to use them that way other than size? Did you start with the 8HTs and replace them with the 228s?
Thanks.
post #9134 of 18432
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Anyone using the 228HTs as surrounds? At $300 premium over the 8HTs it would seem like they would be worth it especially for surround sides. Any way to wall mount them? Any reason not to use them that way other than size? Did you start with the 8HTs and replace them with the 228s?
Thanks.

Single 8's have a wider sound stage where the 228HT's have a more narrow focused sound, so I would suspect the S8's would make a better surround speaker.
post #9135 of 18432
+1. And if you have never heard the capabilities of the s8, don't doubt those of us that have and know they are perfectly capable of anything in regards to surround duty. Assuming you have between 2 and 8 surrounds, all of a sudden that is a $600 to $2400 premium once it's all said and done, and basically all for not. A wider dispersion pattern is desirable in the first place just as LB has already stated.
post #9136 of 18432
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Anyone using the 228HTs as surrounds? At $300 premium over the 8HTs it would seem like they would be worth it especially for surround sides. Any way to wall mount them? Any reason not to use them that way other than size? Did you start with the 8HTs and replace them with the 228s?
Thanks.

I don't believe anyone is using 228's as surrounds. I generally agree with the comments above but I preferred the Triple 8 LP for side surround duty in my HT. They are better able to keep up with my LCR's with M/C music.

For HT (movies only) then the Single 8's in any configuration make great surrounds. In smaller rooms and with capable subs the Single 8's would make for a very good HT experience. I believe someone just purchased 7 Single 8's and an S2 sub for a small HT room. Looking forward to hearing about that install.cool.gif
post #9137 of 18432
I agree with Rob.

Another point is the S8 contains a higher end Neo magnet Compression driver than the 228 and T8. That brings the $300 price difference closer.

Chris
post #9138 of 18432
Have a 7.2 system in a 18x22 living room with 9 ft ceilings. Have a pair of Submersives coming as Jeff's big 18" units just will not fit. The 8HTs will be quite a step up from my current surrounds that have 5 1/4" drivers. Probably end up with the 228s for the fronts as the 212s are visually overpowering and the wife would freak.
post #9139 of 18432
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I agree with Rob.

Another point is the S8 contains a higher end Neo magnet Compression driver than the 228 and T8. That brings the $300 price difference closer.

Chris

Are you sure about that Chris? I thought the T8's and S8's use the exact same CD/coax. confused.gif
post #9140 of 18432
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Are you sure about that Chris? I thought the T8's and S8's use the exact same CD/coax. confused.gif
This is just my guess so if its wrong I would love to find out the correct info. I have been trying to figure it out on my own.
The S8 lists a NEO mag CD while the T8, T12, and 228 use the ceramic CDs.
I think the BMS 4550 ceramic vs BMS 4552 NEO
I think the 228 and T8 only differs in the horn vs a fitted coaxial midrange and XO
Chris

The older models (before 2011) may have the same CD.
Edited by countryWV - 8/9/13 at 10:51am
post #9141 of 18432
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Have a 7.2 system in a 18x22 living room with 9 ft ceilings. Have a pair of Submersives coming as Jeff's big 18" units just will not fit. The 8HTs will be quite a step up from my current surrounds that have 5 1/4" drivers. Probably end up with the 228s for the fronts as the 212s are visually overpowering and the wife would freak.

You could go 12's. when I first got my HSU VTF 15H subwoofer I thought it was huge. And my co workers thought I bought a Small refrigerator. But as it sat in the corner for a couple weeks it was normal on the eyes

Or you could just buy an Orbit Shifter, have a big fight, and then anything else you ever buy will seem small smile.gif
post #9142 of 18432
I like that idea a lot. Just put a few dozen roses on top of it for her, but be sure to take the vase off before you fire it up
post #9143 of 18432
I was getting caught up on some posts from this week and I saw some discussion in regards to changing out the horn on the Noesis 212HT for center duty. When I purchased mine a few months back, I didn't specify that one of them was going to be a horizontal center. Should I be concerned and look to rotate the horn? Just curious....
post #9144 of 18432
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I was getting caught up on some posts from this week and I saw some discussion in regards to changing out the horn on the Noesis 212HT for center duty. When I purchased mine a few months back, I didn't specify that one of them was going to be a horizontal center. Should I be concerned and look to rotate the horn? Just curious....
Yes rotate it when laying horizontal.
Chris
post #9145 of 18432
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

You could go 12's. when I first got my HSU VTF 15H subwoofer I thought it was huge. And my co workers thought I bought a Small refrigerator. But as it sat in the corner for a couple weeks it was normal on the eyes

Or you could just buy an Orbit Shifter, have a big fight, and then anything else you ever buy will seem small smile.gif

Ha! So, that's where I went wrong to begin with. Should have gone stupid big straight out of the gate to set a precedence...lol

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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I like that idea a lot. Just put a few dozen roses on top of it for her, but be sure to take the vase off before you fire it up

...and report back to us with the results. If you are still breathing.
post #9146 of 18432
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


Yes rotate it when laying horizontal.
Chris

Any link as to how to do this? Is it something that can easily be done or should I call Jeff?

Thanks..
post #9147 of 18432
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Any link as to how to do this? Is it something that can easily be done or should I call Jeff?

Thanks..
I would think you may want to keep the CC vertical like the LR. I see a lot of CC configured this way.
post #9148 of 18432
Take the screws loose and quarter turn it. You want the wider part of the horn to go with the horizontal and the little less narrow vertical to avoid ceiling and floor reflections.
Calling Jeff would not hurt either. Always better to find out direct.smile.gif
Chris
post #9149 of 18432
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Take the screws loose and quarter turn it. You want the wider part of the horn to go with the horizontal and the little less narrow vertical to avoid ceiling and floor reflections.
Calling Jeff would not hurt either. Always better to find out direct.smile.gif
Chris

It's the opposite on the 212's, more sound is dispersed up and down than left and right so when you are looking at it the oval looks tall rather than fat.
post #9150 of 18432
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Single 8's have a wider sound stage where the 228HT's have a more narrow focused sound, so I would suspect the S8's would make a better surround speaker.
Interesting conversation on surrounds. I'm also looking at 6 speakers for surrounds to compliment the 212's as LCR. I was thinking of going with dipoles as the surrounds but concerned about integration with the 212's. What's everyone else using for surrounds? Would S8's be ideal? Thx.
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