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post #9571 of 18650
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

i went from a onkyo pr-sc5507, a bit dated, but was good in its days, to a marantz av8801, don't think onkyo whether it was mine or the newer versions have anything on the marantz,. Picking the marantz was the correct decision !
What amp are you using with the 8801?
post #9572 of 18650
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Anyone have info in the dispersion pattern of the Noesis compression driver tweeter? 55 degrees, 60 degrees, etc?

Thanks!

The CD does not have a dispersion, it is the horn that mates to it. The 18sounds horn that Jeff uses is 60x40. as far as the catalyst, the coaxial mid on it is 100x100 now you have both!
post #9573 of 18650
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I'm gonna roll with the Denon 4520 (keep my 3313 for the bedroom or something). Interior is very similar to the 8801 as they are the same company. I read that literally there are a few capacitors that are upgraded. And let's be honest. The Marantz name is playing like there is some super high quality audio over the already flagship 4520. But to each his own. Hey maybe I will win that Krell processor drawing here soon. (Enter on their fb page I believe). smile.gif

Obviously the 4520 has amps but you can bypass and they are rated for 4 ohms if you wanted
I have a 4520 and I am not as happy with it as I once was. I am now looking at doing separates. I would look into the 8801 a bit more, as I was reading from a poster that the 4520 is not so similar as you think.
post #9574 of 18650
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I have a 4520 and I am not as happy with it as I once was. I am now looking at doing separates. I would look into the 8801 a bit more, as I was reading from a poster that the 4520 is not so similar as you think.

Good to know. Certainly just because I read it doesn't mean it true! Wait, you mean everything on the Internet is not true?
post #9575 of 18650
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

What amp are you using with the 8801?
i currently have for my LCR, some diy monoblocks made with hypex ncore 400 boards
and for surround and heights i am using a ati3006.
my noesis aren't here yet, so i do not know 100% how they will sound just yet. I have some audiophile voodoo in my system as well.
post #9576 of 18650
So now that I pretty much have my JTR order locked down, the next item will be a new receiver for the movie room. Onkyo 616 will stay in the living room, it is perfectly fine for moderate DirecTV listening.

What would you guys recommend to drive (3) 228HTs in the ~$1000 price range? With little research so far it seems like the Denon X4000 might be a good option, especially with MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT.

Anything else in that price range worth looking at?
post #9577 of 18650
Thanks for the responses, seems like the AV8801 is the favorite. I did read though that the Marantz has more of a warmer sound than the Integra. Something about the Integra being more dynamic. But for music the Marantz is supposed to sound better. Don't suppose anybody here has had both the 80.3 and AV8801 with their 212HT's to shed some light? It's a shame Integra are not bringing out the 80.4 anytime soon.
post #9578 of 18650
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

So now that I pretty much have my JTR order locked down, the next item will be a new receiver for the movie room. Onkyo 616 will stay in the living room, it is perfectly fine for moderate DirecTV listening.

What would you guys recommend to drive (3) 228HTs in the ~$1000 price range? With little research so far it seems like the Denon X4000 might be a good option, especially with MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT.

Anything else in that price range worth looking at?


Sherbourn is closing their products out after being recently acquired by Emotiva.
http://www.sherbourn.com/pages/products

They have the 7020 receiver for a song at the close out price.
http://www.sherbourn.com/products/pt7020-1

It does not have Audyssey, and it does not have 3d support -- but truthfully 1/2 the people I know (including myself) don't use Audyssey, and I don't have a 3d projector - (nor do I think I will buy one and even if I did there are other ways of getting the 3d signal to the projector while bypassing the AVR - for exampling using a HDMI splitter, or buying a blu-ray player with dual output and routing one output directly to the projector). All that to say the 7020 at $400 should at least be a passing consideration - that's a lot of pre-amp functionality for that price. (normal price = $2K). You could buy Emotiva amps or even just use the popular pro CROWN XLS pro amps for the power.

They have the 7030 for $1k - but that's getting close to the Denon in price point and perhaps more of a researched decision than a jump now type thing.
post #9579 of 18650
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Originally Posted by GETREAL95 View Post

Thanks for the responses, seems like the AV8801 is the favorite. I did read though that the Marantz has more of a warmer sound than the Integra. Something about the Integra being more dynamic. But for music the Marantz is supposed to sound better. Don't suppose anybody here has had both the 80.3 and AV8801 with their 212HT's to shed some light? It's a shame Integra are not bringing out the 80.4 anytime soon.

I have the 80.3 (love it, no issues what so ever) and I'm not much of a believer in the warm vs dynamic stuff. That being said, it would be fun to A/B the two just to see smile.gif
post #9580 of 18650
I have never done a/b testing between them but I don't believe in warmer sound. No offense meant smile.gif. I did hear quintuples and triple 8's on an Integra 80.3 and it was amazing! You could buy an Integra then call Bryan at GIK acoustics use the difference and have a much better sound smile.gif. I am actually talking with a friends dad about HT stuff and he wants to get some upgrades from his once very expensive yet primitive system. (20k Lexicon processor back in the day, Parasound amps, etc). I'm trying to get him past the snake oil mentality. I'm not saying the 8801 isn't amazing, I haven't heard one and would certainly take one in a heartbeat. But the price difference is too much for me and I feel the Marantz marketing mentality feasts on such audiophile type views. Again I mean no ill intent if you own or will smile.gif
Edited by jlpowell84 - 8/28/13 at 3:31pm
post #9581 of 18650
I also have the 80.3 and really love it. It's been a great processor. It sounds pretty much the same as my 4311 and every other decent receiver I've ever owned. I've been to a few A/B audio get togethers, it always funny watching people describe how awesome something sounds and then revealed it's what they had put down as their least favorite unit hahaha. I just feel (like with pretty much anything) If it's well made, it will work well.

Also ufokillerz, I've got 2 set of ncore's and have monkeyed with them and my Noesis.... I think you will love them together!!!!!!
post #9582 of 18650
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post



I have the 80.3 (love it, no issues what so ever) and I'm not much of a believer in the warm vs dynamic stuff. That being said, it would be fun to A/B the two just to see smile.gif

+1

I can't look up the reference ATM, but I recall Noah Katz (among other industry professionals) mentioning that electronics (AVR's/Amps/etc...) should be transparent to ensure the most "true to source" content reproduction.

In my experience it seems as though the term "warmth" is consistently associated the added distortion (coloring of sound) synonymous with tube amps. Some people really like the sound though.
post #9583 of 18650
I have had a Elite '68, Denon 4313, and now Integra DHC80.3 & Onkyo 9-channel amp (PA-MC5500). Excellent amp for this prepro.
post #9584 of 18650
To be honest I prefer it to be more dynamic than warm, I want hard punching sound rather than a warmer sound, so the extra $1.2k saving in going with the 80.3 could go towards a better projector. Thanks for the input....
Also got an email from Jeff today saying that my 212HT LCR's and S2 will be ready to ship Friday! Won't be long before they make their trek down to Melbourne Australia.....smile.gif
post #9585 of 18650
^^ Nice, can't wait to hear your impressions. I just received an Email from Jeff myself. My 5 Single 8's and the S2 were just loaded onto the truck today. He was spot on with the estimated delivery date btw, I ordered at the end of July and he said 4-5 weeks.
post #9586 of 18650
Ugh, I really hope I don't kick myself for ordering the 228's instead of the 212's. I was going with prudence but that damn little devil on my shoulder...
post #9587 of 18650
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Originally Posted by HyperM3 View Post

Ugh, I really hope I don't kick myself for ordering the 228's instead of the 212's. I was going with prudence but that damn little devil on my shoulder...

Alex are you using them for pretty much HT use only?
post #9588 of 18650
Regarding a preamp, I had been looking at the Sherbourn 7030 before they announced their planned switch to the Emotiva Pro brand name. This was when they were offering the PT-7030 with PA7-150 amp for $1700. So when they offered the PT-7030 for $999, I jumped. My primary reason for purchasing was the multi zone control, associated home automation controls signals (serial/IR), and parametric EQ for a decent price. Haven't had a chance to use it yet. Oh, I also bought two of the PA7-150 amps for distributed audio for $599 each. Now I just need to get some JTR speakers to go with them...one of these days soon. smile.gif

David
post #9589 of 18650
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Alex are you using them for pretty much HT use only?

100% home theater.
post #9590 of 18650
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

So now that I pretty much have my JTR order locked down, the next item will be a new receiver for the movie room. Onkyo 616 will stay in the living room, it is perfectly fine for moderate DirecTV listening.

What would you guys recommend to drive (3) 228HTs in the ~$1000 price range? With little research so far it seems like the Denon X4000 might be a good option, especially with MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT.

Anything else in that price range worth looking at?

Sounds like most of the discussion is for pre/pros, I was planning on just running an AVR for now. Will an X4000 (or similar) be able to drive a 228HT LCR setup sufficiently in my small 11' x 10' space?
post #9591 of 18650
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Originally Posted by GETREAL95 View Post

To be honest I prefer it to be more dynamic than warm, I want hard punching sound rather than a warmer sound, so the extra $1.2k saving in going with the 80.3 could go towards a better projector. Thanks for the input....
Also got an email from Jeff today saying that my 212HT LCR's and S2 will be ready to ship Friday! Won't be long before they make their trek down to Melbourne Australia.....smile.gif

Nice! In seven months that will be my exact purchase, most likely...Exciting times for you!
post #9592 of 18650
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

Sounds like most of the discussion is for pre/pros, I was planning on just running an AVR for now. Will an X4000 (or similar) be able to drive a 228HT LCR setup sufficiently in my small 11' x 10' space?

Well according to those on this forum who have experience with both say you will not notice a difference. Although I have found myself wondering how you can notice a difference from one lossless form of audio to another? 100% HT, consensus says you have made the right choice!
post #9593 of 18650
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

Sounds like most of the discussion is for pre/pros, I was planning on just running an AVR for now. Will an X4000 (or similar) be able to drive a 228HT LCR setup sufficiently in my small 11' x 10' space?

Numbers say you will be fine. There are ones on this forum who like a lot of excess. I plan on doing the same for starters smile.gif There is a vid on youtube of a guy playing reference volume with 212 Noesis from a $20, 20watt x 2 channel amp!
post #9594 of 18650
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Numbers say you will be fine. There are ones on this forum who like a lot of excess. I plan on doing the same for starters smile.gif There is a vid on youtube of a guy playing reference volume with 212 Noesis from a $20, 20watt x 2 channel amp!

I have seen the video! The X4000 has full pre-outs, so external amps can always be added later. But I think it should be more than sufficient for now!
post #9595 of 18650
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Originally Posted by HyperM3 View Post

100% home theater.

Then considering the size of your room don't even second guess it. You're going to love the 228HT's and combined with a Cap 2400, it'll blast the roof off of your room.
To put into perspective three 212HT's would cost you $6600, for only $300 more you could have three 228HT's, two Slant 8's and a single Cap 2400! eek.gif
post #9596 of 18650
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Originally Posted by GETREAL95 View Post

To be honest I prefer it to be more dynamic than warm, I want hard punching sound rather than a warmer sound, so the extra $1.2k saving in going with the 80.3 could go towards a better projector. Thanks for the input....
Also got an email from Jeff today saying that my 212HT LCR's and S2 will be ready to ship Friday! Won't be long before they make their trek down to Melbourne Australia.....smile.gif

Good on ya ... wink.gif
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Originally Posted by MiniHT View Post

^^ Nice, can't wait to hear your impressions. I just received an Email from Jeff myself. My 5 Single 8's and the S2 were just loaded onto the truck today. He was spot on with the estimated delivery date btw, I ordered at the end of July and he said 4-5 weeks.

That is the very system many have been recommending. It will be great to hear you impressions. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by HyperM3 View Post

Ugh, I really hope I don't kick myself for ordering the 228's instead of the 212's. I was going with prudence but that damn little devil on my shoulder...

You will not be disappointed. cool.gif
post #9597 of 18650
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Then considering the size of your room don't even second guess it. You're going to love the 228HT's and combined with a Cap 2400, it'll blast the roof off of your room.
To put into perspective three 212HT's would cost you $6600, for only $300 more you could have three 228HT's, two Slant 8's and a single Cap 2400! eek.gif

No cap, running a submersive. ;-)
post #9598 of 18650
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Originally Posted by HyperM3 View Post

No cap, running a submersive. ;-)

That's right, sorry I got you mixed up with emr25, but either way I don't think you should second guess getting 228HT's over the 212HT's especially if you are using them 100% for HT.
post #9599 of 18650
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

That's right, sorry I got you mixed up with emr25, but either way I don't think you should second guess getting 228HT's over the 212HT's especially if you are using them 100% for HT.

Thanks, just needed the reassurance. Very excited to get these up and running.
post #9600 of 18650
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

So I just left Jeff a voicemail requesting a quote for the following (including discount and shipping costs):

(3) 228HTs
(1) Cap 2400
(2) L/R Vertical Stands at 22"
(1) Center Horizontal Stand at 22"
Just wondering emr25... I don't mean to chuck a spanner in the works at this late stage, but with space at a slight premium in the new mancave, did you consider the Cap S1? Compact, cheaper, extended low end (especially in that room) and still more output than you'll ever need. Just a suggestion...

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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

So now that I pretty much have my JTR order locked down, the next item will be a new receiver for the movie room. Onkyo 616 will stay in the living room, it is perfectly fine for moderate DirecTV listening.

What would you guys recommend to drive (3) 228HTs in the ~$1000 price range? With little research so far it seems like the Denon X4000 might be a good option, especially with MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT.

Anything else in that price range worth looking at?
You're definately on a winner with the Denon X4000 I reckon. AFAIK it's the least expensive path to XT32 + SubEQ HT at the moment and has more than enough power for the JTR's at your seating distance and room size. Unless you want to push up to extreme SPL's regularly, I doubt you'll ever "need" an external amp.

[http://outlet.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX4000/Denon-AVR-X4000.html?cc=02&tp=179&nvpair=FFBrand%7cDenon]
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