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post #9721 of 18719
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Question on mounting of the slant version of the 8HT.
My surrounds use surface track to hide the wire. It looks like the slant 8s mount flat to the wall surface. Is there any space to feed a 12 gauge wire behind it like a slot cut into the back? Or do the mounts give a little clearance? Would be difficult to get into the wall to feed straight behind the speaker.
As long as you plug the speaker cable into the speaker terminal before mounting there should be no clearance problems. If for some reason there is take a nail and cut a small channel in the drywall where the speaker will be mounted. You may be able to use the old surface track. There are pictures of the back of the Slanted 8 on the JTR Speakers website.
If you mount the speaker then try to plug the wire in you may have problems.
I think this is your answer.smile.gif
post #9722 of 18719
A room that small may not need slanted 8s to keep up for surround duty. I am unfamiliar with your current surrounds, but if you are happy with them I'd try them first with the 212 since your room is so small. Your room looks to be about 12'x14'? The 212 and single 8 / Slanted 8 use a different driver so its not like your surrounds will be identical to your frontstage if you go all JTR. The rooms size may make it unnesscesary depending on the quality of the other speakers you have for surround and your listening volume preferences.
Edited by Archaea - 9/4/13 at 5:52am
post #9723 of 18719
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Would it be possible to move the can lights themeselves back to the next row? I'm completely ignorant of how much work that would take or how feasible it would be. If you did that you would have the added benefit of less light on the screen in case you like to watch sports or tv with the lights on.

Wow, I didn't realize how treated your room is I bet it sounds amazing.

The very front two can lights stay off unless I have pulled the screen and am working on the speakers or wiring. The next set that you can currently see in the pic (the first ones lit) actually came from a row back and I pushed them another row closer to the screen when I moved the front row to behind the screen. It keeps them far enough away that they don't wash the screen out too bad at all even with full light on. Usually I dim them just a shade anyways and it does fine for football. I might end up moving those cans back another row to add more ceiling acoustic panels, but then they are overtop the front row and are kind of distracting when on. I need to weigh my options.

lbrown, I have not tossed them on the danley's yet. I was running VERY low in time trying to get everything up and going for this weekend's football festivities and just didn't have time to test it out that way. The peavey also only takes neutrik connectors and I don't currently have those on my main speakers as the sunfire they are currently on is just plain binding post style. I will still try to get around to listening to it but I just have been enjoying the latest slate of work that has been done since I finished. Sometimes you just gotta stop and actually enjoy the theater ya know?!?! Haha
post #9724 of 18719
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

A room that small may not need slanted 8s to keep up for surround duty. I am unfamiliar with your current surrounds, but if you are happy with them I'd try them first with the 212 since your room is so small. Your room looks to be about 12'x14'? The 212 and single 8 / Slanted 8 use a different driver so its not like your surrounds will be identical to your frontstage if you go all JTR. The rooms size may make it unnecessary depending on the quality of the other speakers you have for surround and your listening volume preferences.

Thanks Archea. Obviously I should have included the room dimensions of 14x16x8.

How do side surround speakers sound if the listener on that side is right under the speaker?

And the ceiling speakers I have are 8" NHT IC4s (picture below plus link to more pictures - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1050554/nht-ic4-ceiling-speakers). I bought several and listened to others at store before finding these online and liking them. Since NHT came out with a new model, I bought up all the old stock I could find. Probably a mediocre value at $500/per but at around $150 per speaker, it is definitely a good speaker. And just to be clear, I will be putting these ceiling speakers in boxes in the ceiling to get the most out of them as well as to ensure the sound doesn't bleed upstairs to the bedrooms.


Edited by dgage - 9/4/13 at 10:51am
post #9725 of 18719
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

The very front two can lights stay off unless I have pulled the screen and am working on the speakers or wiring. The next set that you can currently see in the pic (the first ones lit) actually came from a row back and I pushed them another row closer to the screen when I moved the front row to behind the screen. It keeps them far enough away that they don't wash the screen out too bad at all even with full light on. Usually I dim them just a shade anyways and it does fine for football. I might end up moving those cans back another row to add more ceiling acoustic panels, but then they are overtop the front row and are kind of distracting when on. I need to weigh my options.

lbrown, I have not tossed them on the danley's yet. I was running VERY low in time trying to get everything up and going for this weekend's football festivities and just didn't have time to test it out that way. The peavey also only takes neutrik connectors and I don't currently have those on my main speakers as the sunfire they are currently on is just plain binding post style. I will still try to get around to listening to it but I just have been enjoying the latest slate of work that has been done since I finished. Sometimes you just gotta stop and actually enjoy the theater ya know?!?! Haha
I totally here you on that. NFL starts tomorrow, can't wait. No problem on the amp test, just remember to post for us when you do get around to it. thx and back to enjoying!!
post #9726 of 18719
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The cabinets are finished and I'm picking them up later today. I'll have them completely by the end of the week.

got that from jeff 2 days ago! fingers crossed that he will ship early next week!
post #9727 of 18719
I wanted to get an opinion here on the 228 as a center. I am finally getting ready to break ground on my dedicated theater, the wife said lets do it. This is my dream room and no expenses left behind, with in reason that is. My plans are very similar to Carps. I like the idea of the speakers exposed as to the AT screen. I will be doing in wall for all surrounds. Back to the topic. As some know I am running L,R 212's with a 228 center. Does anyone think I should upgrade to the 212 for the center or just stick with the 228? Will I gain that much more?
post #9728 of 18719
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I wanted to get an opinion here on the 228 as a center. I am finally getting ready to break ground on my dedicated theater, the wife said lets do it. This is my dream room and no expenses left behind, with in reason that is. My plans are very similar to Carps. I like the idea of the speakers exposed as to the AT screen. I will be doing in wall for all surrounds. Back to the topic. As some know I am running L,R 212's with a 228 center. Does anyone think I should upgrade to the 212 for the center or just stick with the 228? Will I gain that much more?

Do you listen to multi-channel music? If so I'd stick with the 212 center.

I said this before, but the best sounding center channel I have heard in my room was a 228 stacked on top of my 212. Probably the fact that the 228 was at ear height instead of down close to the floor like my 212 center made it sound better - which is why I'm afraid to try my 212 vertical with the CD at ear height. I know I'm going to love it so much that I will be forced to go AT. smile.gif
post #9729 of 18719
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Do you listen to multi-channel music? If so I'd stick with the 212 center.

I said this before, but the best sounding center channel I have heard in my room was a 228 stacked on top of my 212. Probably the fact that the 228 was at ear height instead of down close to the floor like my 212 center made it sound better - which is why I'm afraid to try my 212 vertical with the CD at ear height. I know I'm going to love it so much that I will be forced to go AT. smile.gif
No I listen to two channel music. The theater will be strictly a theater, no music unless it happens. My plans are to get a two channel set up going after the theater build.

I had my 212' s on milk crates till Jell sent the stands and what a difference the stands made. The CD's are now at hear height in the seating position.

The AT screen does make the most sense, I just feel that you still loose some of the clarity of the speaker.
post #9730 of 18719
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

No I listen to two channel music. The theater will be strictly a theater, no music unless it happens. My plans are to get a two channel set up going after the theater build.

I had my 212' s on milk crates till Jell sent the stands and what a difference the stands made. The CD's are now at hear height in the seating position.

The AT screen does make the most sense, I just feel that you still loose some of the clarity of the speaker.

If its strictly HT use why not get another two 228HT's and have a all 228HT LCR setup and use the 212HT's for your 2-channel setup?
post #9731 of 18719
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

If its strictly HT use why not get another two 228HT's and have a all 228HT LCR setup and use the 212HT's for your 2-channel setup?

That's what I was thinking too, unless you plan on using non JTR speakers for your music setup.
post #9732 of 18719
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

No I listen to two channel music. The theater will be strictly a theater, no music unless it happens. My plans are to get a two channel set up going after the theater build.

I had my 212' s on milk crates till Jell sent the stands and what a difference the stands made. The CD's are now at hear height in the seating position.

The AT screen does make the most sense, I just feel that you still loose some of the clarity of the speaker.
If yo get the right screen you only need a 1-2dB bump at 18-20kHz. I could not measure or hear the difference with and without the screen material. I had friends move the material in front of the speaker and off to the side while playing music and high req sweeps, could not tell at all and also could not measre the difference. Keep in mind I am not 19 yrs old anymore (high freq hearing loss) and my microphone is not uber expensive so your experience may be different. If you haven't tried it though it is worth experiencing especially for movies. Actually it is kind of cool with music too not seeing the speakers, although Carps set up also look very cool..
post #9733 of 18719
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

No I listen to two channel music. The theater will be strictly a theater, no music unless it happens. My plans are to get a two channel set up going after the theater build.

I had my 212' s on milk crates till Jell sent the stands and what a difference the stands made. The CD's are now at hear height in the seating position.

The AT screen does make the most sense, I just feel that you still loose some of the clarity of the speaker.

The last sentence is simply not the case. As JBrown said, there is a loss of 1-2db but no loss of fidelity. AT is the only way to go for FP/HT. IMHO
post #9734 of 18719
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

If yo get the right screen you only need a 1-2dB bump at 18-20kHz. I could not measure or hear the difference with and without the screen material. I had friends move the material in front of the speaker and off to the side while playing music and high req sweeps, could not tell at all and also could not measre the difference. Keep in mind I am not 19 yrs old anymore (high freq hearing loss) and my microphone is not uber expensive so your experience may be different. If you haven't tried it though it is worth experiencing especially for movies. Actually it is kind of cool with music too not seeing the speakers, although Carps set up also look very cool..




The black line is no screen material, blue line is seymour XD (woven) material and the red is with stewart firehawk micro perf. As you can see the woven does a little better than the microperf, but all things considered, if you are using any type of room correction, they will bring the top end back up anyways.
post #9735 of 18719
What are some recommended amps for the Noesis 228HT L/C/R? I currently have a Denon 4311 and XPA-5 but found that some have issues with the XPA-5 due to high gain on the XPA.
post #9736 of 18719
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

What are some recommended amps for the Noesis 228HT L/C/R? I currently have a Denon 4311 and XPA-5 but found that some have issues with the XPA-5 due to high gain on the XPA.

Many here would maintain that the Denon alone would be adequate for the Noesis.

I use separates and my amp (W4S) has no gain control and i have the Noesis at -12db on my processor. I put some 15 db attenuators on the LCR XLR's and got down to +3 db on the processor but did not hear a difference so I removed the attenuators so that I had less connectors in the signal chain.
post #9737 of 18719
They will run fine just off the 4311, but anything with a 29dB gain that is decent quality should do it. The newer gen2 emotiva's are back to a 29dB gain vs. the gen1's that are 32dB.
post #9738 of 18719
Check out the Mahagony finished 228's I picked up for a friend yesterday.


post #9739 of 18719
Nice!
post #9740 of 18719
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Check out the Mahagony finished 228's I picked up for a friend yesterday.

I reckon the slot ports outside the grills look ace. Finishes other than black accentuate it.

That looks like an omnimic in the foreground. Was Jeff doing final testing?
post #9741 of 18719
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Check out the Mahagony finished 228's I picked up for a friend yesterday.



If my mind wasn't made up before they are now. I just didn't want more black gear up front and I wasn't happy with the red colored sample on Jeff's forum. Thanks for the pics!
post #9742 of 18719
Status: Picked up
Service type: FedEx Ground
Packaging type: Package
Number of pieces: 3
Total shipment weight: 360.00 lb.

So excited, i can hardly wait!
post #9743 of 18719
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

If my mind wasn't made up before they are now. I just didn't want more black gear up front and I wasn't happy with the red colored sample on Jeff's forum. Thanks for the pics!

i have a set of rosenut colored 212hts coming, hope they look ok!
post #9744 of 18719
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Originally Posted by GIEGAR View Post

I reckon the slot ports outside the grills look ace. Finishes other than black accentuate it.

That looks like an omnimic in the foreground. Was Jeff doing final testing?
yes he tests all the speakers before they go out. Nice to know your speakers are tested by the designer/builder.
post #9745 of 18719
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

i have a set of rosenut colored 212hts coming, hope they look ok!
I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it sound like they look bad, just bad for me due to my choice of wall color. It would clash in a very bad way.
post #9746 of 18719
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

Check out the Mahagony finished 228's I picked up for a friend yesterday.



any chance you saw my horn on top 212hts in rosenut/walnut veneer? i'm dying to see how they look like hah, and Jeff probably did not get a chance to take pics.
post #9747 of 18719
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

any chance you saw my horn on top 212hts in rosenut/walnut veneer? i'm dying to see how they look like hah, and Jeff probably did not get a chance to take pics.

Horn on top? That should be very nice. I really liked the original Noesis 3TX open baffel design but I think I am the only person that like them. Jeff ssid the pro audio guys didn't like them because of the exposed CD/horn and the damage potential. Not really an issue for home use.
post #9748 of 18719
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Horn on top? That should be very nice. I really liked the original Noesis 3TX open baffel design but I think I am the only person that like them. Jeff ssid the pro audio guys didn't like them because of the exposed CD/horn and the damage potential. Not really an issue for home use.

I've always been curious about that design. Is there a performance reason or what?
post #9749 of 18719
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

I've always been curious about that design. Is there a performance reason or what?

I have no idea, I just really like the look. smile.gif
post #9750 of 18719
I like the look of horn on top as well. I actually wanted my Noesis that way but that the time, Jeff was pretty hesitant to make them that way for home anyway.
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