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Advice Needed Re: Replacing Yamaha RX-Z1

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A while back we had a power surge out of the blue that killed our Yamaha RX-Z1. It is "DEAD Jim" and we have to replace it and have made an insurance claim. We are using Def Tec BP 7001 sc's for main speakers, 2002 Def Tec center and BPX surrounds. We also have surround front speakers as well. Our Blu-ra player is a SONY BDP-S550 that has 7.1 analog outs (great blu-ray player by the way) so we do not have to go HDMI ready.

Can people in the know give me some suggestions as to a solid replacement reciever. We loved the RX-Z1 and are looking for a receiver or seperates that can sonically do an exceptional job. We have a substantial insurance deductable so cost is a factor. Given the economy we are looking for the best "bang for our buck". Yamaha RX-Z9 an option or should we opt for an RX-Z7, Denon or something else? Will also consider seperates if they are a reasonably priced alternative.

I can not afford the RX-Z11 and given all of the problems it has been experiencing it is not on the list of possibilities.

THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IS QUALITY OF THE AUDIO AND FORMAT PROGRAMING LONGEVITY

Thanks in advance, your advice is greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 12
I like my RX-V3900. The Z7 is similar. Neither will give you the same power the Z1 had, if memory serves.

I can't speak about audio quality as you know that's subjective and debateable.

The only complaint I have about the 3900 is that the resolution of my Tivo changes with it in the loop. It might not be the 3900s fault. I have no way to determine who is at fault - it's an HDMI negotiation thing.
post #3 of 12
I vote for the RX-V3900 or the RX-Z7.

The -Z7 can be had for less than two bills from reputable vendors. That said, the -Z7 I have ordered I sourced from a local A-V pro who happens to be a friend of mine. He SWEARS that Yamaha does NOT honor warranty claims on their products purchased from on-line vendors. I'm spending a few bucks (+ 8.25% sales tax) buying it from him, but I know he'll stand behind it if there's a problem.
post #4 of 12
I didn't see any mention of budget but Lloyd mentioned "two bills" which I take as meaning about $2k.
For that much I think I'd opt for an Emotiva UPA-7 and the Onkyo SC886. That comes in under 2 bills - leaving enough for popcorn and beer for a month or better .
post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post


Emotiva UPA-7 & Onkyo SC886.

Having lookded at the specs the above sounds interesting, why are you suggesting this combination? Do you think it will sound/perform better than the RX-Z9, RX-Z7 or the RX-V3900, if so, why? I notice that the Onkyo can not decode the new HD codeces.

Thanks to you and to everyone who is providing me advice, it is greatly appreciated.
post #6 of 12
Here's my standard response:
Spending 2K primarily for more power in an AVR is wasting your money. If all you need is HDMI switching and audio processing then go with an AVR or pre/pro and an external amp. This will give you WAY more bang for the buck, since doubling your power will give the most noticeable improvement in your sound. Take the Z7 which will likely deliver an honest 100WPC with all channels driven, compared to an Emotiva or similar M-ch amp delivering an honest 200WPC or more. IF all you want is power, a 400Wx5 amp plus the V665 can be had for under that 2K mark if you're patient. There's no substitute for lots of power.

Do you really need a lot of video processing, networking and all that? that's a gig chunk of what you're paying for in a unit like the Z7
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post


Do you really need a lot of video processing, networking and all that? that's a gig chunk of what you're paying for in a unit like the Z7

I have lived with the RX-Z1 and never used any of the video processing (our SONY VPL-VW60 does a fine job of upconversion). The only thing I have used extensivly is the power to run our speakers and the audio processing (some of Yamaha's surround sound processing does an exceptional job) I also want to be able to take advantage of new audio processing codeces so the pre amp processor or receiver is not obsolete as soon as I get it, upgradability via internet is important. I hope this helps clarify the issue in making a choice.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by Jmouse007 View Post

Having lookded at the specs the above sounds interesting, why are you suggesting this combination? Do you think it will sound/perform better than the RX-Z9, RX-Z7 or the RX-V3900, if so, why? I notice that the Onkyo can not decode the new HD codeces.

Thanks to you and to everyone who is providing me advice, it is greatly appreciated.

The 886 can indeed decode the latest HD audio formats. I choose separates for the same reason rdgrimes listed above. I have the UPA-7 with the Onkyo SC885 - although it will be pushed out in favor of my LMC-1 prepro.

When I'm ready for the next upgrade it won't be to get an amp. What I have is good to go for maybe 20 years. Who knows? I can pick an AVR if I want - and need the features it has and I won't have to worry whether it can push my 4 ohm speakers - the UPA-7 can do that - it does that every day.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by Knucklehead90 View Post

The 886 can indeed decode the latest HD audio formats. I choose separates for the same reason rdgrimes listed above. I have the UPA-7 with the Onkyo SC885 - although it will be pushed out in favor of my LMC-1 prepro.

When I'm ready for the next upgrade it won't be to get an amp. What I have is good to go for maybe 20 years. Who knows? I can pick an AVR if I want - and need the features it has and I won't have to worry whether it can push my 4 ohm speakers - the UPA-7 can do that - it does that every day.

This is a great combo. The UPA-7 is a steal at $699. For the average room and average efficient speakers, this is overkill. I am an Onkyo fan (TX-SR805 owner) and they cram all the goodies you could want in their stuff. The pre-pros they make are feature loaded and can be had for a good price.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

This is a great combo. The UPA-7 is a steal at $699. For the average room and average efficient speakers, this is overkill. I am an Onkyo fan (TX-SR805 owner) and they cram all the goodies you could want in their stuff. The pre-pros they make are feature loaded and can be had for a good price.

This is an interesting combination I am wonering if there are any other viable options.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Jmouse007 View Post

This is an interesting combination I am wonering if there are any other viable options.

I don't think you'll find new amps at a lower price than Emotiva but just because they are not expensive doesn't mean they are cheap.
They are well built and seem to have no more problems than any other manufacturer - maybe even less!

Emotiva has a 5 year warranty on ALL the gear they sell. Case in point is an LMC-1 I bought off ebay in an estate sale. The display was very dim and not even visible in a dark room. Emo has repaired it - no questions asked - their warranties are fully transferable.

I should get it back today or Monday. This cost me nothing other than having to ship it - which the seller reimbursed me for.

Oh, and when you call you'll be talking to a real person - you won't have to start hitting 1s and 2s to get directed to the proper department.

You can look at their on-line store in the amp section. Lots of options!

If new isn't important you might be able to get an LMC-1 preamp processor for under $300. I'm on my second one - I sold the first one not appreciating what I had. While the Onkyo is a great preamp processor I just don't need the HDMI switching and really don't see the difference between HD audio and DD and DTS being that great. And I don't see the need for DD PLIIz - at least for myself.

YMMV
post #12 of 12
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Still seeking advice Bump to the top.
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