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post #121 of 3968
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Originally Posted by cynan View Post

I don't think anyone (that does not work for Optoma) can declare this a certainty until both units are tested side by side.

Afterall, would it really make sense for Optoma to produce 2 different so similarly specced machines, particularly at their price points?

YES!

Its about market, They produce certain products for certain countries. Maybe the USA gets a little better one because they see a stronger market. Maybe they have a lesser one for Canada because the projector competition isnt as bad there and they can lower there build cost by making one with different internals. It's all about money and marketing. the HD200X is not the HD20 no matter what anyone says.

The xbox360/PS3 is global, you dont see an xbox360X or PS3X anywhere. Companies dont make new models for each country. Now they have different rules, like whether its Pal, NTSC, or NTSC-J. A company can make 1 product and sell it everywhere if they wanted to. Optoma must have had a good reason to produce a lesser model for Canada and anyone else who got it.

Optoma probably used an older DLP chip or something else electronic, that caused it to be not as good. As for the case and everything, we'll that's mass produced so it wouldn't be cost effective to make a new design, but they did make the hd200x black to distinguish between the two for a reason.

It's also possible that the HD200x has something inside of it that doesnt meet USA standards which requires Optoma to use a better part for there USA customers. They wouldn't ship that all over because it cuts into there profit margin.
post #122 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

YES!

Its about market, They produce certain products for certain countries. Maybe the USA gets a little better one because they see a stronger market. Maybe they have a lesser one for Canada because the projector competition isnt as bad there and they can lower there build cost by making one with different internals. It's all about money and marketing. the HD200X is not the HD20 no matter what anyone says.

The xbox360/PS3 is global, you dont see an xbox360X or PS3X anywhere. Companies dont make new models for each country. Now they have different rules, like whether its Pal, NTSC, or NTSC-J. A company can make 1 product and sell it everywhere if they wanted to. Optoma must have had a good reason to produce a lesser model for Canada and anyone else who got it.

Optoma probably used an older DLP chip or something else electronic, that caused it to be not as good. As for the case and everything, we'll that's mass produced so it wouldn't be cost effective to make a new design, but they did make the hd200x black to distinguish between the two for a reason.

It's also possible that the HD200x has something inside of it that doesnt meet USA standards which requires Optoma to use a better part for there USA customers. They wouldn't ship that all over because it cuts into there profit margin.

You certainly make valid points and there very well could be a difference between them, however the HD200x is not black, it is the same white finish as the HD20. It looks absolutely identical on the outside to what Deez posted.

I'm leaning towards a standards/regulations thing if they are indeed different inside for some reason. I don't see why they would sell an 'inferior' projector in Canada for more than the MSRP of the US counterpart that is apparently a better unit.

You never know, I guess.
post #123 of 3968
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Originally Posted by xCHRISx View Post

You certainly make valid points and there very well could be a difference between them, however the HD200x is not black, it is the same white finish as the HD20. It looks absolutely identical on the outside to what Deez posted.

I'm leaning towards a standards/regulations thing if they are indeed different inside for some reason. I don't see why they would sell an 'inferior' projector in Canada for more than the MSRP of the US counterpart that is apparently a better unit.

You never know, I guess.

Like i mentioned its all to due with profit, if you know that you can get more money in another country without them knowing then its smart to do it. It mostly has to due with import and exports as well. Optoma is in the usa and im sure it's elsewhere too, it might even be in canada, if so the inport export thing would not be the reason.

I just think it has to due with supply and demand. I bet the 200x costs less to produce and they raise the price for everyone else because they know people will pay for it. Where as in the usa we get a better unit probably based on regulations and costs them more to make. So in order to break even they produced the 200x at a cheaper unit cost and sell more to break even on profit.

Thats my best guess.

Fedex guy just brought my HD20! Cant wait to hook it up tonight!
post #124 of 3968
Have fun this weekend I have to wait till Wednesday.
post #125 of 3968
I can almost bet the hd20 and 200x are identical machines, many company's sell identical products and change the name, the only difference is probably the firmware with some settings changed making the small difference in lumen and contrast output.

I read the review of the hd20 on projector people and i also found the cinema setting with graphics gamma to work the best for me as well.
post #126 of 3968
I just received my HD20 also. I look forward to setting it up tonight. I'll probably have some comments to post by tomorrow. I am replacing a NEC LT240K dlp XGA projector, generations old now, with over 6000 hours on it. I am expecting to be wowed by this. I like dlp technology and had hoped to find a 1080p dlp projector I could afford now. I really like the concept of seeing what a modest price can get you these days. My first projector was a Runco CRT, in 1995, followed by the NEC in 2004. I haven't watched tv on a small screen much in all that time. I use the projector for all video viewing (except computer, and even it uses the projector as a second monitor).
post #127 of 3968
guys, can you confirm if it has lens shift or not? Not very clear in specs, it says image shift L/R only in 4:3 or native format... I need some confirmation.



Thanks in advance!
post #128 of 3968
you can electronically shift a 4:3 image left or right inside of the 16:9 frame
post #129 of 3968
It looks like it's only "digital image shift"
post #130 of 3968
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Originally Posted by king conan View Post

guys, can you confirm if it has lens shift or not? Not very clear in specs, it says image shift L/R only in 4:3 or native format... I need some confirmation.



Thanks in advance!

No it does not.
post #131 of 3968
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Originally Posted by tdog_2005 View Post

I can almost bet the hd20 and 200x are identical machines, many company's sell identical products and change the name, the only difference is probably the firmware with some settings changed making the small difference in lumen and contrast output.

I read the review of the hd20 on projector people and i also found the cinema setting with graphics gamma to work the best for me as well.


What are your settings? Can you post them here? Thanks.
post #132 of 3968
So are there instructions on how to mount it? None of the calculators have the HD20 yet. Going by the 200X, i'll be cutting it close as far as distance is concerned. I have a 119" screen to fill with only a little over 14' of distance. Will I be ok??
post #133 of 3968
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Originally Posted by xzener View Post

So are there instructions on how to mount it? None of the calculators have the HD20 yet. Going by the 200X, i'll be cutting it close as far as distance is concerned. I have a 119" screen to fill with only a little over 14' of distance. Will I be ok??

Actually, I already had my mount setup from my previous projector and used that calculator and my location actually was perfect, It was right on the edge to make my 100' screen. I hooked it up and its just like the calculator suggested. The calculator on the HD200X works perfect!

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Originally Posted by tdog_2005 View Post

I can almost bet the hd20 and 200x are identical machines, many company's sell identical products and change the name, the only difference is probably the firmware with some settings changed making the small difference in lumen and contrast output.

I read the review of the hd20 on projector people and i also found the cinema setting with graphics gamma to work the best for me as well.


I found Cinema settings, but that is that graphics gamma?


I wish i had my old pt-ae2000u because this DLP looks just like it! To me at least, i see no visible differences. I like the look of the DLP though, it gives it more of a wow factor. This was definitely a well worth it purchase! I'll take some photos tonight, my camera is ok so i hope they come out good.
post #134 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post





I found Cinema settings, but that is that graphics gamma?


correct it is graphics gamma it is under image/advance/gamma, i used to run it on film mode but after playing around with it when i was watching Coraline, i found i like that mode it seemed to make the blacks darker for me.
post #135 of 3968
I am excited about Optoma's new 1080p model!

I have been using the Optoma H31 for a few years and racked up nearly 2500 hours on the bulb. Optoma has gained my trust with the excellent H31, and I hope the HD20 will be no different. This is looking to be the perfect replacement for an 'old' 480p projector with a bulb on the edge of it's lifespan!

I look forward to hearing reviews from those of you who purchased it!
post #136 of 3968
Damit, of all the people of all the units i get a defective one!

What a waste of shipping money..

Anyone having an issue changing resolutions on the projector? I have it connected to my xbox360 and when i change resolutions the screen flickers baddly then it gets really big and freezes. Then i cant change the source on the projector and its frozen. I then have to unplugg the hdmi cord in order to turn the unit off. I have to turn the unit off, or else it stays at the frozen screen.

I also tried this on my WDTV I changed it from 60hz to 24hz and the screen flicked and froze!

Anyone else having this issue??.
post #137 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

I also tried this on my WDTV I changed it from 60hz to 24hz and the screen flicked and froze!

Does this model support 24p?

--Darin
post #138 of 3968
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

Does this model support 24p?

--Darin


Yes.
post #139 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

Damit, of all the people of all the units i get a defective one!

What a waste of shipping money..

Anyone having an issue changing resolutions on the projector? I have it connected to my xbox360 and when i change resolutions the screen flickers baddly then it gets really big and freezes. Then i cant change the source on the projector and its frozen. I then have to unplugg the hdmi cord in order to turn the unit off. I have to turn the unit off, or else it stays at the frozen screen.

I also tried this on my WDTV I changed it from 60hz to 24hz and the screen flicked and froze!

Anyone else having this issue??.

How do you know its defective?


Do you have any other source to hook it to...maybe a BD player?

BB has them for $99....You could buy one, check the projector then return it...
post #140 of 3968
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Originally Posted by deez View Post

How do you know its defective?


Do you have any other source to hook it to...maybe a BD player?

BB has them for $99....You could buy one, check the projector then return it...

Nope no blue ray, but i dont need one.

I used my xbox 360 as one source and my Western Digital media player

When i change resolutions it freezes, but if i turn the projector off and back on it works fine. It even works on 24hz. Its just the initial changing of resolutions that is causing the projector screen to go crazy then freeze.

Can you change resolutions on your bdplayer, xbox360, or ps3. What ever you have to see if it does the same thing?

Even switching from 60hz to 24hz does it, and so does switching from 1080p to 1080i.

Also when i press the lamp mode button on the remote nothing happens at all, what about yours?
post #141 of 3968
ok after checking everything maybe it isnt defective. I think the freezing was cause by the HDCP. With the xbox360, HDCP is used via hdmi and it never was on with VGA (I just swapped to hdmi). Ill do some more testing and see what happens.

Still freezes when going from 1080p 60hz to 1080p 24hz. But if i turn my western digital player off and on, it works.
post #142 of 3968
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Originally Posted by Lithium View Post

I am excited about Optoma's new 1080p model!

I have been using the Optoma H31 for a few years and racked up nearly 2500 hours on the bulb. Optoma has gained my trust with the excellent H31, and I hope the HD20 will be no different. This is looking to be the perfect replacement for an 'old' 480p projector with a bulb on the edge of it's lifespan!

I look forward to hearing reviews from those of you who purchased it!

hey thats me!

me too looking forward to reviews.

h31 for 4.25 years - 800 hrs?

.................

only fear the black level will still not be better than the h31 (which IMHO is its weakness).

x4 colorwheel is also too slow, should be 6x - I can see RBE at 4x. wiling to pay 1,000 for some rainbows, as I did with the h31 (same price in 2004 - 1100 bucks actually).

I'd not pay more than 1k for rainbow however - more $$ and I'd insist on 6x colorwheel.

.........

I'll pass on buying and wait another year or two for the next generation if Optoma has not improved on the blacklevel. - thats just me, blacks must be black (blacker...........without destroying contrast of course).

...

should be interesting couple of weeks.
post #143 of 3968
When you can't turn the unit off -- that's straight up defective or a firmware bug ... or a bad design ... hopefully you can work around it ...

Sometimes my H31 refused to turn on, had to take it to Optoma RMA (haha they are just down the street, sweet) and they fixed it right up.

I too need some information about the HD20 throw angle. I've got the 1.5~1.8:1 throw ratio from the pic above already.
post #144 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

Hi, i have a question. I just got my DVE disc and i was testing it out on my lcd screen and when going through the menu it only looks like i can start certain chapters and it forces me to fast forward to the test pattern. Is there a menu that lets you pick test patterns? Or maybe I'm just over looking it.

Basic DVD of DVE is a pain to move around in. This projector deserves a 1080p blu ray player and blu rays HD version of DVE.

You can find things in DVD DVE but you'll go nuts trying, at least I do. The items are there under program choices, reference material etc. Have fun

For the graysale tweaking you just want a basic pluge brightness pattern. It has the graysteps you need.
post #145 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

Nope no blue ray, but i dont need one.

I used my xbox 360 as one source and my Western Digital media player

When i change resolutions it freezes, but if i turn the projector off and back on it works fine. It even works on 24hz. Its just the initial changing of resolutions that is causing the projector screen to go crazy then freeze.

Can you change resolutions on your bdplayer, xbox360, or ps3. What ever you have to see if it does the same thing?

Even switching from 60hz to 24hz does it, and so does switching from 1080p to 1080i.

Also when i press the lamp mode button on the remote nothing happens at all, what about yours?

Mine doesn't freeze but it goes back and forth between blue screen and source screen. That is called HDCP handshaking and almost every HDMI device will do this whether you see it or not.
post #146 of 3968
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Originally Posted by sharpnine View Post

I just received my HD20 also. I look forward to setting it up tonight. I'll probably have some comments to post by tomorrow. I am replacing a NEC LT240K dlp XGA projector, generations old now, with over 6000 hours on it.

I'm looking forward to your review. I am also still using an LT240K that I would like to upgrade!

I wonder if this projector will improve contrast, brightness and black level, or is it just a resolution upgrade (over the 240K). Also, how is the noise level?
post #147 of 3968
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Originally Posted by deez View Post

Mine doesn't freeze but it goes back and forth between blue screen and source screen. That is called HDCP handshaking and almost every HDMI device will do this whether you see it or not.

Are you talking about your xbox360?

With mine, it loads fine and plays games fine, but if i put in a dvd or play a high def movie via hard drive the screen turns pink. I think have to hit hdmi 1 on the remote and it will sync to HDCP. Then after i exit the movie and go back to the dash i have to hit the hdmi 1 button again to fix the screen back to normal. Does yours do this? Maybe ill post a video of what happens.
post #148 of 3968
thinking of getting it at bestbuy. can get it for $899 with the usps 10% coupon..



waiting to see when it will be avail at bb
post #149 of 3968
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Originally Posted by ditch-digger View Post

thinking of getting it at bestbuy. can get it for $899 with the usps 10% coupon..



waiting to see when it will be avail at bb

I talked to them already and they said probably January of 2010. There is no ETA on it and they dont know when they will get it, but they are still selling the HD65 and it just went on sale, so im sure it wont be anytime soon at all. They usually get things 4-5months after the online retailers get them. So if you can wait that long good luck. I couldnt so i bought it from visual apex.

Even optoma doesnt sell it at there online store. Which i think would be the first people to sell it. I guess not.
post #150 of 3968
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

I talked to them already and they said probably January of 2010. There is no ETA on it and they dont know when they will get it, but they are still selling the HD65 and it just went on sale, so im sure it wont be anytime soon at all. They usually get things 4-5months after the online retailers get them. So if you can wait that long good luck. I couldnt so i bought it from visual apex.

Even optoma doesnt sell it at there online store. Which i think would be the first people to sell it. I guess not.


oh well, i guess i will wait a while (no big hurry my mits is pretty much new) maybe will be cheaper near around the holidays. until then i will just see how people like it..
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