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Rew,
Thanks for the tip. I'll look at drilling the plate first.
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I finally decided to sell my plasma tv and get a projector, I was a little hesitant to spend even 1000$ though as Im a student still with not a lot of extra income. I went to my local best buy and they told me they had one projector (hd20) left. I was hoping they'd have a display to see, but they didn't. I explained I was iffy about spending 1000$ (500$ after selling my plasma) on a projector because I never had one and I never had see one in a home before. The associate looked and said this model was deleted and would be going "end of life" soon and they would ask the manager about a deal. They came back with a 649$ price quote . So if any of you are still debating, you may want to ask at your local best buy on pricing.

Whats the opinion on the Optoma fixed screens? There are some on ebay for pretty cheap. Im wanting a 92" screen since my throw is only about 10.5 ft. Thanks for the links to the calibrating and the links to monoprice ceiling mounts, this thread has been FANTASTIC
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Originally Posted by meepha12 View Post

I finally decided to sell my plasma tv and get a projector, I was a little hesitant to spend even 1000$ though as Im a student still with not a lot of extra income. I went to my local best buy and they told me they had one projector (hd20) left. I was hoping they'd have a display to see, but they didn't. I explained I was iffy about spending 1000$ (500$ after selling my plasma) on a projector because I never had one and I never had see one in a home before. The associate looked and said this model was deleted and would be going "end of life" soon and they would ask the manager about a deal. They came back with a 649$ price quote . So if any of you are still debating, you may want to ask at your local best buy on pricing.

Whats the opinion on the Optoma fixed screens? There are some on ebay for pretty cheap. Im wanting a 92" screen since my throw is only about 10.5 ft. Thanks for the links to the calibrating and the links to monoprice ceiling mounts, this thread has been FANTASTIC

Wow you got quite a deal. Wish I could get one for that price. What plasma did you have and what are your impressions of the quality of hd20 versus your plasma?

What did they mean by 'end of life', that they won't carry it anymore?


You could always get some black out cloth from joann's and make a do-it-yourself screen.
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Originally Posted by fourtytwoinch View Post

Wow you got quite a deal. Wish I could get one for that price. What plasma did you have and what are your impressions of the quality of hd20 versus your plasma?

What did they mean by 'end of life', that they won't carry it anymore?


You could always get some black out cloth from joann's and make a do-it-yourself screen.

Im not really wanting to make one myself. I was going to go with the greywolf II screen from Optoma off ebay, until I saw that you cannot ceiling mount with those screens.

Yes, deleted/end of life means that they need to get it out of their stock.

I had a 42" Panasonic Vieja (th-42px85u) plasma. I loved my tv, but moving it was a pain. So far the main difference I have noticed are the blacks. Im sure they'll get better once i break it in, but right now they are awful. My buddy just got the Sanyo plv-1080hd projector from best buy for 610$ and the hd20 seems to have better color than his, but his black are way better. Seems like breaking in the bulb and a grey screen should do the trick though.
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Thanks for the answers.

That sucks about the blacks. I could never get a fair gauge of them from pics and videos cause cameras never capture them correctly. And 'good' in the projector forum could mean totally different than 'good' in plasma forum. And there are never any measurements cause they depend on other factors.

I was hoping a grey screen, proper conditions, and std/econ mode+bulb ware would help the blacks to be acceptable compared to a plasma.

What screen size did you try and where your room conditions good? If the reflected light or ambient light lights up the screen it could have pushed the blacks lighter.

What about PQ aspects besides the black level?


I always thought the hd20 was supposed to have better blacks the the sanyo.
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Im just going by looks. His Sanyo was a demo/display so his bulb has 500/hrs on it, so I think that may be the deal with him having deeper blacks right now.

I dont have a screen atm, Im projecting straight onto my wall lol. Im very new to this, so I don't know a ton about projectors. Im just trying to absorb as much as I can. Right now, my main concern is a screen. Best Buy tried selling me a screen innovations screen for 2,500$ lol.

I haven't watched my projector a lot so far (surround sound is getting fixed atm, so no sound) but i am VERY HAPPY with my decision in getting rid of my television for it. If I can tame the grey blacks and get them darker I will be extremely satisfied.

If anyone could answer my question though. I read in an older thread on here that the graywolf II screen should not be used with a ceiling mounted projector. Could anyone just explain to me why in layman's terms? I may just go with the HC Da-Mat screen; although its about 100$ more on ebay than I was wanting to spend on a screen.
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Without looking into the screen material, gain etc of the graywolf II it probably has something to do with reflected light pattern and dispersion from the projector to the screen to your sitting position. The image may not look the same if the light source is above the screen center line compared to above the screen center line.

I was considering the projector since the value ratio (price to performance) seemed very good; however, after reading your comparison to your plasma I may not go for it. That in addition to the fact that it is being closed out; maybe the replacement will be better?
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What replacement? Is there any info out there?
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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

What replacement? Is there any info out there?

There is no replacement for the HD20. It just came out this past summer. I think that Best Buy just decided not to carry it anymore.
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Originally Posted by kresgem View Post

There is no replacement for the HD20. It just came out this past summer. I think that Best Buy just decided not to carry it anymore.

Because who would buy a $2000 1080P 50" LED LCD when you can buy a 100"+ projector for $1000.
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Have any of you HD20 owners upgraded from the Mits. HD1000? How do the black levels compare, with both in low brightness mode? Any other comparisons you can share? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by aggoodin View Post

Because who would buy a $2000 1080P 50" LED LCD when you can buy a 100"+ projector for $1000.

After reading your post I decided to call up a buddy that works at best buy. He looked in their program that tells them information about items they have. Every projector is on the under a "deleted" status. I don't know if he looked up all of them, but he did look up the "top 4" on their website and they are all deleted. You may be right, they may quit carrying projectors, or at least budget projectors.
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BB has never had much luck at selling projectors. Their stores are not optimized for them and they never have a way to demo them. A few years ago the Magnolia part was supposed to have auditions for projectors but that never materialized. Guess I need to head to my local BB to see what they might be willing to discount.
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Can someone comment on my basement theater situation in regards to the fan noise of the Hd20?

I've read quite a few posts on here addressing it, but just want to get some more opinions...

My basement ceilings are only 7', and this will be mounted approximately 11.5 - 12' from the wall.

The main seating will be at 10 - 11' away from the screen, so just below, and about 1' in front of the projector....

Should I be worried about hearing fan noise? That is really the 1 concern that I am having with this projector. This would be set in the lowest setting as it will be in a basement with no light at all.
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^^^^^NO. Unless you like using your projector with no audio.

I sit directly under my projector(9ft ceilings) and I can only hear it(barely) when nothing else is turned on in the room.

Now in BRIGHT MODE that maybe a different story if youve got some quite scenes with not much audio.
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I'm considering replacing my Panasonic Viera TH-50PX60U 50" 768p Plasma TV with this projector. We're moving Latham, NY --> Seattle, WA and will be getting rid of the Plasma before we move. We'll be setting this up in an Apartment in the Living Room.

I have a thread detailing everything here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1229193

Just wondering if this would be a good choice to replace the Plasma.

Thanks Guys!!
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Originally Posted by panthershutch15 View Post

Can someone comment on my basement theater situation in regards to the fan noise of the Hd20?

I've read quite a few posts on here addressing it, but just want to get some more opinions...

My basement ceilings are only 7', and this will be mounted approximately 11.5 - 12' from the wall.

The main seating will be at 10 - 11' away from the screen, so just below, and about 1' in front of the projector....

Should I be worried about hearing fan noise? That is really the 1 concern that I am having with this projector. This would be set in the lowest setting as it will be in a basement with no light at all.

I am sitting in the same place as what you describe. The same ceiling height also and I have to really try to hear it in normal mode. Most of the fan noise seems to come out the top and not down. (it's actually upside down) I think you will be impressed just how quite it is.
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Originally Posted by mickey79 View Post

I'm considering replacing my Panasonic Viera TH-50PX60U 50" 768p Plasma TV with this projector. We're moving Latham, NY --> Seattle, WA and will be getting rid of the Plasma before we move. We'll be setting this up in an Apartment in the Living Room.

I have a thread detailing everything here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1229193

Just wondering if this would be a good choice to replace the Plasma.

Thanks Guys!!

I read your other post and the HD20 really needs a light controlled room to get good black levels. I have a Samsung 56" DLP rear projection TV also and the HD20 looks really good but after watching the projector and then looking at the TV, the TV still looks a little better to some degree. Nothing beats watching movies on a 125" screen
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Originally Posted by panthershutch15 View Post

Can someone comment on my basement theater situation in regards to the fan noise of the Hd20?

I've read quite a few posts on here addressing it, but just want to get some more opinions...

My basement ceilings are only 7', and this will be mounted approximately 11.5 - 12' from the wall.

The main seating will be at 10 - 11' away from the screen, so just below, and about 1' in front of the projector....

Should I be worried about hearing fan noise? That is really the 1 concern that I am having with this projector. This would be set in the lowest setting as it will be in a basement with no light at all.

I would not worry about it. My setup is almost the same and I don't hear it. Remember, you are playing something on the screen with sound (we hope...)!
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Can you buy these in stores? I know BB does not sell them anymore at least no in michigan.

I would not like something this delicate shipped really.
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Originally Posted by MiniChupacabra View Post

Can you buy these in stores? I know BB does not sell them anymore at least no in michigan.

I would not like something this delicate shipped really.

Don't let that stop you from ordering online---they were shipped to the store anyway, and shipped from a distributor before that.

If you buy from a reputable online site, you will have no problems, and if you do have a problem with the shipment, the good stores will help you out.
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Originally Posted by Kajel View Post

I read your other post and the HD20 really needs a light controlled room to get good black levels. I have a Samsung 56" DLP rear projection TV also and the HD20 looks really good but after watching the projector and then looking at the TV, the TV still looks a little better to some degree. Nothing beats watching movies on a 125" screen

If your samsung dlp looks better than the hd20, seems like there will be a pretty big difference pq between his plasma and the hd20?
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Originally Posted by plain fan View Post

Guess I need to head to my local BB to see what they might be willing to discount.

report back to thread :P
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Originally Posted by fourtytwoinch View Post

If your samsung dlp looks better than the hd20, seems like there will be a pretty big difference pq between his plasma and the hd20?

Lighting is becoming the biggest issue for me; as I understand most of these Projectors (at least ones in my budget) need a light-controlled environment. I honestly at this point do not think I'll be able to go for the Projector for my living room/apartment setup. Might have to invest in a flat-screen inevitably.
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Well, from the deafening lack of replies, it seems like I'm the only one on this thread with a motorized screen trying to use the HD20 12v trigger output to lower it.

After calling Optoma and never hearing anything back, I gave up and ordered a Niles Audio product, the CS12V, which is a current sensing outlet with a 12v output. I plug my projector into the CS12V, and when the projector gets turned on, the CS12V senses the current draw and the 12v output on the CS12V goes live which drops my screen. A fairly elegant if somewhat expensive solution to the problem.

Unfortunate that the 12v trigger on the HD20 doesn't work right and that Optoma doesn't seem too concerned about fixing it. As far as I'm concerned the trigger on the HD20 is unusable.

Stephen
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Originally Posted by mickey79 View Post

Lighting is becoming the biggest issue for me; as I understand most of these Projectors (at least ones in my budget) need a light-controlled environment. I honestly at this point do not think I'll be able to go for the Projector for my living room/apartment setup. Might have to invest in a flat-screen inevitably.


A front projector that costs a gazillion dollors, and produced the best blacks in the history of front projection, would still not produce good blacks if there is light washing out the image.

Look at it this way.....if your screen is not completely black without the projector on (total light control) ....then you are not going to get good blacks...no matter how good the projector is.
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Originally Posted by jefe noche View Post

A front projector that costs a gazillion dollors, and produced the best blacks in the history of front projection, would still not produce good blacks if there is light washing out the image.

Look at it this way.....if your screen is not completely black without the projector on (total light control) ....then you are not going to get good blacks...no matter how good the projector is.

and even when things are completely ideal, the black level is still higher than a plasma for low level projectors.
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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

Have any of you HD20 owners upgraded from the Mits. HD1000? How do the black levels compare, with both in low brightness mode? Any other comparisons you can share? Thanks.

This is exactly what I upgraded from last year. Black levels on the Optoma seem a trifle higher than the Mitsu. The higher res. really helps eliminate the last vestiges of SDE. Quite happy with the change. That said, a year later I have started thinking about the Mitsu 3800, which may have better ANSI contrast and slightly higher brightnees overall. There is also a current promotion (through March 2010) for a free lamp when you purchase a 3800.
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Originally Posted by sgunn View Post

Well, from the deafening lack of replies, it seems like I'm the only one on this thread with a motorized screen trying to use the HD20 12v trigger output to lower it.

After calling Optoma and never hearing anything back, I gave up and ordered a Niles Audio product, the CS12V, which is a current sensing outlet with a 12v output. I plug my projector into the CS12V, and when the projector gets turned on, the CS12V senses the current draw and the 12v output on the CS12V goes live which drops my screen. A fairly elegant if somewhat expensive solution to the problem.

Unfortunate that the 12v trigger on the HD20 doesn't work right and that Optoma doesn't seem too concerned about fixing it. As far as I'm concerned the trigger on the HD20 is unusable.

Stephen

well, has anyone found an answer to this yet?
Maybe just using a harmony macro?
Shouldn't have to do this, but maybe it's one possible work around?
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Hi all, I'm new to the forums and have a question regarding the Optoma HD20:

I've just replaced my Toshiba T45 projector with the Optoma due mainly because of the HDMI connection. Will I see an improved image? What about rainbows? I never experience them with the T45 which was connected via a 25ft vga - componant cable to my blu ray. I've not unboxed the Optoma yet as I'm waiting for my 30ft HDMI cable to arrive.
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