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post #211 of 3969
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I kinda thought it would be more of a gimmick than a real feature.

I think Image AI is meant more for still content, such as presentations or slide shows. I don't think it works well with moving video.
post #212 of 3969
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Not seeing it.

I posted that deal on slickdeals. Are you familiar with bing cash back? If so just do this

Goto bing.com

Type in Optoma HD20.... On the next screen before the results in a yellow highlighted area area you will see "Optoma Products" In blue click that

Then sort by Price click it twice so it does high to low.

Goto page 4

Click on the result that says 1700 lumens it does not mention HD20

That will take you to J&R hd20 for $999 and bing cashback will drop it to $879.

If you use paypal you get the money quickly if not you have to wait 60days and transfer from bing account to checking account.

It sounds complex but really is easy to set up and do.
post #213 of 3969
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Originally Posted by xCHRISx View Post

I have a PS3 connected to mine. Haven't actually played any games on it yet other than demos (my retail discs are still packed somewhere) and all the demos switch resolution to 720p for some reason. I'll see if I can dig out Resistance 2 or something and give it a try in the next day or two for you.

You don't even need a disc, I have the same problem (lines) when simply
navigating in the PS3 menu with 1080p output, which defaults to 1080p 60Hz.
Viewing any AVI video, upscaled to 1080p 60Hz, also has the same result.

Txs.
post #214 of 3969
You PS3'ers with the problem, are you using HDMI or Component? If Component, that could well be the problem, as there's not really a standard for how to do 1080p over Component; I would use 1080i in that case.
post #215 of 3969
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Originally Posted by sharpnine View Post

A few more comments to add to my previous postings:

I am trying to figure out how I managed to put 40 hours on this thing in one weekend!

You know what, I've been thinking the Exact same thing! I racked up 14hours on a projector that i only watched 5 2 hour movies. It's like it racks up time faster than its supposed to. I wonder if the counter is off, and it counts to fast?

Its that or it counts hours based on your brightness. I noticed it doesnt have an eco-mode or normal mode, but it does have cinema and bright. I wonder if bright is normal mode and Cinema is eco-mode. I prefer it on Bright eventhough it looks a little.
post #216 of 3969
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Originally Posted by troylavigne View Post

You don't even need a disc, I have the same problem (lines) when simply
navigating in the PS3 menu with 1080p output, which defaults to 1080p 60Hz.
Viewing any AVI video, upscaled to 1080p 60Hz, also has the same result.

Txs.

Yeah, I'm not getting anything like that when in my menu. I'll try a couple other sources when I'm done playing Resistance 2.
post #217 of 3969
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

You know what, I've been thinking the Exact same thing! I racked up 14hours on a projector that i only watched 5 2 hour movies. It's like it racks up time faster than its supposed to. I wonder if the counter is off, and it counts to fast?

Its that or it counts hours based on your brightness. I noticed it doesnt have an eco-mode or normal mode, but it does have cinema and bright. I wonder if bright is normal mode and Cinema is eco-mode. I prefer it on Bright eventhough it looks a little.


Go into lamp settings.....
post #218 of 3969
Justed pulled the trigger on one. This will be my 6th projector and second 1080p. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my Panasonic ae2000u and beautiful colors on my Samsung 710.
post #219 of 3969
Just got my HD-20 and all I can say WOW!

Bought it from Visual Apex, good people. Set-up was easy. But I did have an Optoma before this one. I hooked it up to my Sony BDP-S550 Blu Ray player with 1080 24p HDMI and put in the Dark Knight. And Imax looks fantastic on this projector! Everything is very vibrant, colorful, detailed and has great contrast! Everything I put in it looks awesome!

I own an Optoma EP-739 that was an impressive projector in it's day 4 years ago that was able to output a downconverted HD signal from DVI and this projectors sharpness is very apparent. I think the faster color wheel does make a difference so far I don't see rainbows but didn't see them in other.

I am projecting on a 106" Greywolf II grey glass beaded screen that helped my old projector with blacks and is helping this one. I would say the contrast on this projector is very good if not almost perfect with this screen. Only draw back is off axis viewing is alittle harder but no one complains I obviously sit pretty direct to it.

I work in video production for now 17 years and I have a pretty trained eye with things and I will say that I have seen ALOT of projectors in home theatre shops and digital theatres all around and this 1080p projector gives you the next best thing to being at the theater PERIOD!

I also own a Wii ( I know some of you PS3 and XBox people are laughing but it's for the kids) so I will check out the 480p out of that and post it when I have something. I also will have a comcast HDMI signal going straight to this and I will check out which looks better either 1080i or 720p and will post that too.

In closing, I will say that $999 is a very very very reasonable price for this type of performance. I would have easily paid twice as much once I saw the picture. 2 years ago projectors couldn't even touch this thing! It is very colorful and the contrast ratio does not lie.

I own about 70 Blu-rays and HD-DVDs and tons of DVDs I will be able to throw at it. But all I can say is that it finally feels good to finally know that I am seeing what I believe is what the filmmaker is wanting you to see. I'm not going to even post screen shots just imagine the sharpest image you've ever seen 100-120' and that's what you will see. 1080p 24 frame is here to stay...at least for awhile and this projector is everything I wanted and more!

I will keep you posted on other tweaks I find.

Jason
post #220 of 3969
Thanks for that Jason. Looking forward to this projector. Can't wait!!
post #221 of 3969
I see Jason echoed my sentiments about the picture quality. What a great looking picture! I am so happy that great quality projection is available to pretty much anybody who is interested these days. I certainly remember when I got my old 480i Runco CRT for $5000 in 1995 that decent video projection (better than 480i) cost tens of thousands of $$. (in 1995 $$). In inflation-adjusted dollars, this projector is much, much less expensive than the standard kodak slide projectors from the 1960s and 70s. This <$1000 1080p thing is a really big breakthrough IMO.

I liked the explanation on page 18 of the manual, where they explain EdgeMask and Overscan functions.

EdgeMask:
Mask off a few pixels on each edge of the
image to be displayed. Use this function
to adjust if image source happens to have
noise near any edge of the display image.

Overscan:
Mask off a few pixels on each edge of the
image to be displayed. Use the function
to adjust if image source happens to have
noise near any edge of the display image.

Later on p. 28 there is a useful note:
Overscan and
Edge Mask can't
work at same time.



There is a further note that offers a clue:
Each I/O has
different setting of
Overscan.

Perhaps that's the difference between the two...
(I am not at my projector or I would experiment.)
post #222 of 3969
Absolutely! It's crazy cheap for this machine. After seeing now Transformers and Walle so far how could we live without these extra pixels.

Just a thought:

VHS to DVD obvious improvement by 200 lines of resolution and better color seperation.

480i to 480p was an improvement. Smoother pix

1080i 720p was the ceiling of HD. And that was twice as sharper than DVD. Until HD DVD and BluRay.

Now think adding 700 x 360 lines of PROGRESSIVE lines to a 720p (1280x720 to 1980x1080) picture. That is alot of lines of detail and overall smoothness. You may not see it in all of the movies but it helps with color spacing! Which this projector sees deep color output.

Like a said I'm in the pro video biz and all that talk of 4k compared to 2k (1080p) is crap when it comes to seeing a normal home theatre screen. It maybe cool for the theatre which pretty much use an upconverted 2k signal and that looks pretty darn good. As I said 2k is here for a while until 3d which now seeing the detail I can see happen. I think Blu Ray will hold us over until streaming can catch up but the audio is also something to factor.

PS I checked out the Wii and it looks way better than it did before. Colors and brightness look correct. Could be the component VGA analog converter in the projector but it is 480p out of the Wii.

And Comcast HDMI out sent automatically a 1080i signal. And that looked as good as cable can look depending on the broadcast but great nonetheless. Colors were right on and I look forward to watching a Tigers baseball game tonight.

And if this means anything the wife noticed the difference too. Which is a thumbs up in my house!

Jason

Jason
post #223 of 3969
Roger,

I thing edge reduce doesn't zoom the picture and just crops.

Overscan zooms the picture to get rid of the lines that show up in broadcast.

Hope this helps

Jason
post #224 of 3969
HD20 throw angle isn't going to work for my latest installation. I hope either BenQ or Vivitek has less of an offset.
post #225 of 3969
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Originally Posted by xorbe View Post

HD20 throw angle isn't going to work for my latest installation. I hope either BenQ or Vivitek has less of an offset.


The offset on this is around 9inches for my 106 inch screen. I had to lower it with a new mount.
post #226 of 3969
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HD20 throw angle isn't going to work for my latest installation. I hope either BenQ or Vivitek has less of an offset.

Isn't the offset pretty small already (less than most)? Of course I am not disagreeing about your needs. I had the problem that it was too small. As I mentioned earlier, I was able to get about an extra 6 inches of vertical offset by using a little keystone correction, and could not see any visible image degradation. I tested by viewing small text from a 1080p computer output, at all edges of the screen. I figure if the text looks crisp then a video image should be fine. I could have also used the built-in grid test pattern.
post #227 of 3969
So why buy this over the Infocus X10?. It's little more expensive but I get the impression the X10 is a better projector and it's a known quantity.
post #228 of 3969
I am interested in buying the HD20 as an Xbox 360 gaming projector. Any thoughts? Can someone who has the projector pop in Rock Band 2 and check the video lag? I am very sensitive to lag, cant tolerate anything over 13 ms.
post #229 of 3969
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Originally Posted by altdelete47 View Post

I am interested in buying the HD20 as an Xbox 360 gaming projector. Any thoughts? Can someone who has the projector pop in Rock Band 2 and check the video lag? I am very sensitive to lag, cant tolerate anything over 13 ms.

RB2's calibration settings should allow you to make up for any native video lag, so I don't see it being a problem.
post #230 of 3969
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Originally Posted by xCHRISx View Post

RB2's calibration settings should allow you to make up for any native video lag, so I don't see it being a problem.

Oh yeah, its not a problem with rock band, but the lag can be a problem in other fast paced FPS and reflex based games.
post #231 of 3969
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Originally Posted by altdelete47 View Post

Oh yeah, its not a problem with rock band, but the lag can be a problem in other fast paced FPS and reflex based games.

Oh right, I get you. Using RB2 you can determine what the actual lag is via their calibration tools. Right.
post #232 of 3969
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Originally Posted by Stix2 View Post

I posted that deal on slickdeals. Are you familiar with bing cash back? If so just do this

Goto bing.com

Type in Optoma HD20.... On the next screen before the results in a yellow highlighted area area you will see "Optoma Products" In blue click that

Then sort by Price click it twice so it does high to low.

Goto page 4

Click on the result that says 1700 lumens it does not mention HD20

That will take you to J&R hd20 for $999 and bing cashback will drop it to $879.

If you use paypal you get the money quickly if not you have to wait 60days and transfer from bing account to checking account.

It sounds complex but really is easy to set up and do.

This is all well and good I did manage to find this deal except that theirs sales tax. Now I don't know if that's just because I live in NYC or not but the total price after tax only comes out to $968
post #233 of 3969
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Originally Posted by Riftburn View Post

This is all well and good I did manage to find this deal except that theirs sales tax. Now I don't know if that's just because I live in NYC or not but the total price after tax only comes out to $968

It's only for NYS residents. If you have a friend out of state, ship it to them and have them ship it to you
post #234 of 3969
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Originally Posted by altdelete47 View Post

I am interested in buying the HD20 as an Xbox 360 gaming projector. Any thoughts? Can someone who has the projector pop in Rock Band 2 and check the video lag? I am very sensitive to lag, cant tolerate anything over 13 ms.

If nobody else has tried by then, I''m getting this projector on Saturday, I'll throw Rock Band 2 in and see what it says.

And for those talking about some deal, that's not allowed on these forums, from what I understand you may only discuss price when dealing with one of the direct supporters of AVSForum (like Visual Apex or ProjectorPeople or of course AVScience).
post #235 of 3969
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

So why buy this over the Infocus X10?. It's little more expensive but I get the impression the X10 is a better projector and it's a known quantity.

Because it's a little more expensive
post #236 of 3969
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

Either these units have firmware issues or i definitely got a defective unit. I have been playing around with the projector and i noticed a few things.

1) When i play my xbox360 and take my hdmi cord out of that and put it in my comcast cable box my projector freezes. At this point my only option is to turn off the projector. I tried it the other way around as well and same thing.

I would be careful "HOT SWAPPING" HDMI cables are not designed to do that and can damage your equipment.
post #237 of 3969
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Originally Posted by sharpnine View Post

Isn't the offset pretty small already (less than most)? Of course I am not disagreeing about your needs

Well I did pull up several Optomas, and the HD20 was indeed the smallest offset. But it's not smaller than our older InFocus X1. Yeah, I'm planning to shoot an image into a confined location.
post #238 of 3969
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Originally Posted by xorbe View Post

Well I did pull up several Optomas, and the HD20 was indeed the smallest offset. But it's not smaller than our older InFocus X1. Yeah, I'm planning to shoot an image into a confined location.

The HD20 has a much smaller offset than the X1, about half.
post #239 of 3969
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Originally Posted by Mr2Spyder View Post

Justed pulled the trigger on one. This will be my 6th projector and second 1080p. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my Panasonic ae2000u and beautiful colors on my Samsung 710.

Did you compare Mr2Spyder?
post #240 of 3969
damn cheap projector
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