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Is the projector square with the screen?
post #3182 of 3967
I will re-check this.
I have put in a link to photo of the screen.
Look in the lower right corner.

http://photo2.walgreens.com/walgreen...AME=walgreens/
post #3183 of 3967
Your link doesn't work
post #3184 of 3967
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Originally Posted by menkelis View Post

Everything is almost perfect with the display except that there is a slight horizontal tilt that I can not correct. If I get the bottom of the screen level then the top is tilted.

Looking at the mounting dimensions of the two projectors, the bolt pattern is the same but the lens of the EP719 is offset to the HD20 about 10mm. That could explain the issue - if you just mounted it and didn't adjust sideways a bit. Looking at your screen if you move the PJ 10mm to the left it should solve the problem. 10mm isn't much but it could have been off a little before that.
post #3185 of 3967
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Originally Posted by menkelis View Post

... Everything is almost perfect with the display except that there is a slight
horizontal tilt that I can not correct. If I get the bottom of the screen level
then the top is tilted.

I tried the keystone correction but that does not completly get the edge straght.....

I have had this issue and I know others have as well. For me at least, it was the loose lens assembly. On mine, if I hold the focus ring and try to "wobble" it... there is significant play in left/right/up/down movement. When all other projectors I have used feel very precise and solid. And with this wobble, I can see on the screen that the image will shift around by an inch or so. And when doing that, one position looks very square and all other positions have one edge that is not square. My guess is the correct square position is dead center and because of the loose focus optics, it gets off center and loses it's squared off shape.

You can try the same thing, my guess is your optics are loose like mine. Optoma repair said that is normal on the HD20 (blah) and that they could do nothing to repair it. So that is something to check.
post #3186 of 3967
Thanks for the tips. I will be checking centering/alignement latter tonight.

The optics are stable, with no wobble.

I must say that compared to my EP719, the HD20 is orders of magnitude better.
The first thing my son said when he saw the image was - wow.
post #3187 of 3967
So I finally got my HD20 in. I bought one of the refurbs from Woot.com, and I was a little hesitant to do so as I heard the horror stories about the units not working right. However, I am so over that fear! I set it on the passthrough window between my kitchen and livingroom, and I have it just pointed at the yellow wall, and I have 112" of 1080p goodness! I stretched the audio cables from the reciever to the PS3, and let me tell you, Blu-rays never looked so good!

Now, I still need to get a good retractable screen, decide where I want to mount it, and setup the cables for signal and sound, but so far, this is amazing!

I am going to leave it as it is for a few days and just let it run a bit to make sure it doesn't have any problems, but so far this is the best $650 I have ever spent!
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I just have a quick question or two... I had bought my projector H180 from Costco back in Nov of 2010... It has been nothing but a stellar performing machine since I got it... I have 580 hours racked in the 8 months I had it... is there anything I can do for preventive measure to prolong it's lifespan... like should I open it to clean out any dust or shoud I try to clean the color wheel... I do notice alot dust from time to time on the outer cover, just wondering how much might be in there, but I don't want to damage anything because it works beautifully right now... also I want to set it up outside for a few drive-in experiences... I just wonder if dew or moisture is going to be a factor during the evening... just wondering... any help will be appreciated.... I love the thread... very informative... learned a helova lot....peace
post #3189 of 3967
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Originally Posted by cobolisdead View Post

So I finally got my HD20 in. I bought one of the refurbs from Woot.com, and I was a little hesitant to do so as I heard the horror stories about the units not working right. However, I am so over that fear! I set it on the passthrough window between my kitchen and livingroom, and I have it just pointed at the yellow wall, and I have 112" of 1080p goodness! I stretched the audio cables from the reciever to the PS3, and let me tell you, Blu-rays never looked so good!

Now, I still need to get a good retractable screen, decide where I want to mount it, and setup the cables for signal and sound, but so far, this is amazing!

I am going to leave it as it is for a few days and just let it run a bit to make sure it doesn't have any problems, but so far this is the best $650 I have ever spent!

Yep, I love mine, and so do family and friends. I've had the projector now for about a year, and watching blurays on it never ceases to amaze.

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Originally Posted by klownfist View Post

I just have a quick question or two... I had bought my projector H180 from Costco back in Nov of 2010... It has been nothing but a stellar performing machine since I got it... I have 580 hours racked in the 8 months I had it... is there anything I can do for preventive measure to prolong it's lifespan... like should I open it to clean out any dust or shoud I try to clean the color wheel... I do notice alot dust from time to time on the outer cover, just wondering how much might be in there, but I don't want to damage anything because it works beautifully right now... also I want to set it up outside for a few drive-in experiences... I just wonder if dew or moisture is going to be a factor during the evening... just wondering... any help will be appreciated.... I love the thread... very informative... learned a helova lot....peace

I ended up having to send mine in for repair after only owning it for about 6 months. Now I do a number of things to ensure that I don't have to turn it in again or pull it apart and fix it myself.

1st of all, this projector doesn't seem to like to be turned on, off, and on again in any sort of rapid succession. Since I use the HD20 as my main TV set, I used to do things like turn it off, go to the store or grab some dinner, and power it back on as soon as I got home. You know, something you might do with a normal TV set. I've learned though that you probably want to wait an hour or more between turning the projector on/off/on. It probably won't do much harm if you forget, but better safe than sorry.

2nd of all, unless visitors come over, I keep the high altitude setting on when watching by myself. Yeah, its noisier, but I'm hoping the increased airflow will keep the unit cooler and circulate dust out better. The reason I had to send my HD20 in for repairs was because of accumulated dust, which seems to be the biggest reason most people end up sending in their units.

3rd, and this probably goes without saying... you probably want to keep Bright Mode off under lamp settings in order to extend the life of the bulb. I'm at the point where I use the projector so much, that the bulb has grown dim and is probably near the end of its life after only a year, so I currently have the Bright Mode setting on, but I also have a backup bulb that I got for a 100 bucks off of ebay waiting to replace my current bulb.

4th, if you end up having issues with your HD20, and you're outside your warranty, as you've no doubt noticed, there's plenty of posts and diagrams showing how to take apart and clean it.

Think that's all from me.
post #3190 of 3967
I have now fixed the horizontal keystone issue and could not be happer with the results.
Thanks again gor the tips.
post #3191 of 3967
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Originally Posted by cobolisdead View Post
So I finally got my HD20 in. I bought one of the refurbs from Woot.com, .......

I am going to leave it as it is for a few days and just let it run a bit to make sure it doesn't have any problems, but so far this is the best $650 I have ever spent!

got my woot.com refurb in a few days ago and set it up last night... AMAZING!

my unit only had 5 hours on the bulb, watched the Blue Ray Planet Earth video and was surprised at the picture. Played Black Ops online for an hour and was even more surprised....

Well worth the $650... Now I can't decide if I stick with my 82" screen or build a 96" DIY screen... The movie looked better on the larger setting while Black Ops was perfect on the smaller setting...
post #3192 of 3967
DIY biggest you can. Love my DIY 120" painted drywall.
post #3193 of 3967
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Originally Posted by Peter_ View Post

I would like to ask a favor, play both video tests and look how much of Dynamic Resolution it has.

Please tell me what resolution the projector begins to mess the lines.

If you are looking for a calibration setting/comparison just think, everyone's environment is different. One other thing, people don't like to download a file from some place that they do not know and that may be a little iffy.

There is a great, free calibration program on this site which has DVD, Blue Ray and MP4 formats available along with excellent instructions that I know will help you get a great image without too much effort. I use it and I know that lot's of others that frequent this site do as well.

It's called AVS HD 709 and it's located here.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496
post #3194 of 3967
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Originally Posted by Bryan withaY View Post

If you are looking for a calibration setting/comparison just think, everyone's environment is different. One other thing, people don't like to download a file from some place that they do not know and that may be a little iffy.

There is a great, free calibration program on this site which has DVD, Blue Ray and MP4 formats available along with excellent instructions that I know will help you get a great image without too much effort. I use it and I know that lot's of others that frequent this site do as well.

It's called AVS HD 709 and it's located here.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496


I really appreciate your reply, but I said Dynamic RESOLUTION, not contrast.

We know that this projector has 1920x1080 pixels as static resolution, but how much moving pixels it can handle at 60Hz ?

Sadly I can see how much downloads were made and I can assure you that were at least 200 downloads of each video, but not even ONE person did reply with a comment.

My main use will be for games and action movies, so this performance issue will matter a lot.

I really hope that some good person, who run those videos in full screen and comment.

Best regards,
Peter.
post #3195 of 3967
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Originally Posted by Peter_ View Post

I really appreciate your reply, but I said Dynamic RESOLUTION, not contrast.

We know that this projector has 1920x1080 pixels as static resolution, but how much moving pixels it can handle at 60Hz ?

Sadly I can see how much downloads were made and I can assure you that were at least 200 downloads of each video, but not even ONE person did reply with a comment.

My main use will be for games and action movies, so this performance issue will matter a lot.

I really hope that some good person, who run those videos in full screen and comment.

Best regards,
Peter.

I highly doubt we have had 200 unique visitors to this specific thread since you posted the videos. So it's unlikely that 200 people from this thread downloaded your video. It's a publicly available download even if you don't post the link anywhere else. So you really don't know how many AVSforum users downloaded your public link.

That said, I did download your videos because I wasn't sure what you were asking for. Then I found out I wouldn't have time to do the type of test you are talking about.

Another note is your post sounds angry at this point, which is never a good thing as it makes people not want to help you out.

If you scan through the thread, even the later portions of the thread, there are plenty of people saying how much they like this projector for movies and games. Which is a lot more than this type of resolution number is going to tell you.

With DLP there are no subpixels like LCD flat panels. Also, LCD projectors do not have sub-pixels either. So when rendering optical resolution that is smaller than 1 pixel, there are not sub-pixel tricks for increasing the perceived resolution.

I can tell you with a simple test I did when I bought it, that a set of lines spaced only 1 pixel apart, it displays all the resolution of 1 px wide details.

I will also mention that when outputting video especially, all the difference video processors used by different people's receivers, computer video cards, and source video players like BlueRay and DVD players, and the settings each person uses on the HD20 and source players, will affect this type of test you are asking for.

And when or if you get any result numbers from HD20 owners, what are you comparing the numbers to? And LCD flatpanel monitor or TV? What is the reference point? What numbers are you hoping to see?

All I know is that movies look crisp and sharp. And the projector is good enough to show flaws in BlueRay discs that are not mastered well. And that for games I can see every detail sharply and all text is sharp and clear.

The bigger issue for me are the dark details and shadow and highlight squashing. Both which can be adjusted to respectable levels, but I am hoping for new budget projectors to improve on these areas in the future.
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Originally Posted by xenon2000 View Post

I highly doubt we have had 200 unique visitors to this specific thread since you posted the videos. So it's unlikely that 200 people from this thread downloaded your video. It's a publicly available download even if you don't post the link anywhere else. So you really don't know how many AVSforum users downloaded your public link.

That said, I did download your videos because I wasn't sure what you were asking for. Then I found out I wouldn't have time to do the type of test you are talking about.

Another note is your post sounds angry at this point, which is never a good thing as it makes people not want to help you out.

If you scan through the thread, even the later portions of the thread, there are plenty of people saying how much they like this projector for movies and games. Which is a lot more than this type of resolution number is going to tell you.

With DLP there are no subpixels like LCD flat panels. Also, LCD projectors do not have sub-pixels either. So when rendering optical resolution that is smaller than 1 pixel, there are not sub-pixel tricks for increasing the perceived resolution.

I can tell you with a simple test I did when I bought it, that a set of lines spaced only 1 pixel apart, it displays all the resolution of 1 px wide details.

I will also mention that when outputting video especially, all the difference video processors used by different people's receivers, computer video cards, and source video players like BlueRay and DVD players, and the settings each person uses on the HD20 and source players, will affect this type of test you are asking for.

And when or if you get any result numbers from HD20 owners, what are you comparing the numbers to? And LCD flatpanel monitor or TV? What is the reference point? What numbers are you hoping to see?

All I know is that movies look crisp and sharp. And the projector is good enough to show flaws in BlueRay discs that are not mastered well. And that for games I can see every detail sharply and all text is sharp and clear.

The bigger issue for me are the dark details and shadow and highlight squashing. Both which can be adjusted to respectable levels, but I am hoping for new budget projectors to improve on these areas in the future.

Thank you for reply my post.
Sorry if my post looked angry, my main language is portuguese and its hard to write correctly in english. Some times I use Google translator to help me out.

I was one of the first buyers of Optoma HD 65 that shared the experience, specially with pictures and videos. I also helped everyone that questioned about it for a long time, even when I didn't have it anymore.

So, when I came to this thread with this simple ask for help, I thought that I would find here a lot of helpers. When I said over 200 downloads, I didn't mean that were made only from this thread, but all over the AVSForum. I have posted those links in four threads at least. And again I say that no one came back with a comment.

When I moved from a house to an apartment, I did exchange the Optoma HD65 with a LCD TV becouse of the smaller space. But now, that I have moved again and I have more space, I am considering to buy again a projector, or a big plasma TV.

So, I got to be sure that both dlp projector and the Plasma TV can handle fast motion pictures before I made a decision.

Here in Brazil is quite hard to find a showroom with projectors becouse the most of consumers don't even know that there is Home Theater projectors.

That's why I came to AVSForum looking for help.

My Panasonic LCD can handle about of 550 lines of dynamic resolution. The most Plasmas TVs can handle about 900 lines. But I realy would like to know how much o dynamic resolution a dlp projector can handle. That's it.

Again, sorry for any misunderstanding in my posts.

Best regards,
Peter

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Peter,
I was going to reply to your post this morning after reading your reply to me. I left it though until now when I read Xenon's post and your reply to him.
As an FYI; when you reply to a post or make a comment in large, bold font CAPS (especially in red) people can take that as anger and maybe as an insult. Now I know that you didn't mean it but at the time I did. Something for you to keep in mind.

It's all good now, no problem.

I don't game but I have watched a good number of action, fast motion movies in 1080P on the HD20 and they all look great and the HD20 performs outstanding. I don't think that you could go wrong going with it.

Bryan
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Originally Posted by Bryan withaY View Post

Peter,
I was going to reply to your post this morning after reading your reply to me. I left it though until now when I read Xenon's post and your reply to him.
As an FYI; when you reply to a post or make a comment in large, bold font CAPS (especially in red) people can take that as anger and maybe as an insult. Now I know that you didn't mean it but at the time I did. Something for you to keep in mind.

It's all good now, no problem.

I don't game but I have watched a good number of action, fast motion movies in 1080P on the HD20 and they all look great and the HD20 performs outstanding. I don't think that you could go wrong going with it.

Bryan

I am sorry about that mistake. Thanks for the tip.

I appreciated your comment too and I am considering the Optoma HD20 and the Mitsubishi HC4000.

Best regards,
Peter
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Originally Posted by Peter_ View Post

I am sorry about that mistake. Thanks for the tip.

I appreciated your comment too and I am considering the Optoma HD20 and the Mitsubishi HC4000.

Best regards,
Peter

No problem. I think you are doing a great job of communicating in English on this forum.

I still have every intent to test the videos on my HTPC with the HD20. I just haven't had time lately. But I will see if I can do it real quick tonight. I would like to point out again, that many factors will determine my results with this type of test. So don't be surprised if my numbers are higher or lower than your numbers if you decide to go with this projector.

Hopefully I will have some info for you tonight.
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Sounds good to me.

I have made some tests with differents players and there was a sutil difference betwen them.

I don't know how to explain technically, but IMHO, if the video requires a minimum hardware, as it has low bitrate and no sound track, it will run flawless, whatever we use as media player.

Thank you for your patience and willingness to help me.

Peter
post #3201 of 3967
I watched Rango on my HD20 this past weekend, and it looked amazing! Definitely agree with the reviewers that the video quality on the BD is amazing.
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Originally Posted by Peter_ View Post

Sounds good to me.

I have made some tests with differents players and there was a sutil difference betwen them.

I don't know how to explain technically, but IMHO, if the video requires a minimum hardware, as it has low bitrate and no sound track, it will run flawless, whatever we use as media player.

Thank you for your patience and willingness to help me.

Peter

Using my Windows 7 HTPC, played the videos with WMP 12 full screen.

Test1.mp4: When static I can see the max 1200 and all line details in every direction. When moving, it's harder to tell but it looks very close to 1000+

Test2.mp4: When not moving, all vertical lines are sharp and clear all the way to 1080. When moving, the lines do lose detail. But it's hard to say what the number is here. Possibly 650.

I also tested on my 22" Samsung 2ms LCD with similar results.
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Originally Posted by xenon2000 View Post

Using my Windows 7 HTPC, played the videos with WMP 12 full screen.

Test1.mp4: When static I can see the max 1200 and all line details in every direction. When moving, it's harder to tell but it looks very close to 1000+

Test2.mp4: When not moving, all vertical lines are sharp and clear all the way to 1080. When moving, the lines do lose detail. But it's hard to say what the number is here. Possibly 650.

I also tested on my 22" Samsung 2ms LCD with similar results.

Thank you for doing those tests.

In the test2 my LCD TV started to mess at 550 lines.
My Dell LCD monitor at 350 lines and my LG LCD monitor at 400 lines.

I went to a showroom of TVs and I did some tests using a Pendrive.
The Samsung LED UN55C9000 can handle 1000 lines, but the diagonal lines turned into a mess. And the Samsung LED UN46D8000 displayed everything perfectly, even the diagonal lines.

Peter
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Originally Posted by Peter_ View Post

Thank you for doing those tests.

In the test2 my LCD TV started to mess at 550 lines.
My Dell LCD monitor at 350 lines and my LG LCD monitor at 400 lines.

I went to a showroom of TVs and I did some tests using a Pendrive.
The Samsung LED UN55C9000 can handle 1000 lines, but the diagonal lines turned into a mess. And the Samsung LED UN46D8000 displayed everything perfectly, even the diagonal lines.

Peter

Did you adjust any settings when you did testing? Sharpness and contrast make a huge difference for this type of test. Also, the numbers I stated for the moving resolution, was based on if I could see the lines. Not that they were perfect. Just that I could see they were still lines. The static images were perfect for me.
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Originally Posted by xenon2000 View Post

Did you adjust any settings when you did testing? Sharpness and contrast make a huge difference for this type of test. Also, the numbers I stated for the moving resolution, was based on if I could see the lines. Not that they were perfect. Just that I could see they were still lines. The static images were perfect for me.

No, I didn't change the calibration for the tests and I always set to ZERO in the sharpness option.

I did a simulation in Photoshop to show how I see the lines that are over the dynamic resolution of the TV/Monitors:



Best regards,
Peter
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I posted this to the HT gaming forum but got no replies, so I am reposting here.

I have an Optoma HD20 projector with a bunch of game systems hooked to it. All was working great till today. I have a ps3 over HDMI and 360 and PS2 hooked up over component through the VGA connector of the projector since this was the cable previously run for the previous projector. Well today my VGA box came in for my dreamcast and i hooked it up to my vga switch and it looked great other than screen position issues. So then i flipped the switch to go to my ps2 and 360 and the projector wont recognize the signal from either of them. Thought i might have damaged something with the cheap vga switch box i use but when i switched back to the dreamcast it synced up and looked fine. Hdmi is not affected. I just could not get the projector to recognize the component signal over vga after connecting the dreamcast. What have i done?

After researching and thinking since I posted this yesterday, I am thinking maybe once the projector sees a VGA signal, it looks for RGBHV to resync on that connector and of course the component video does not have the horizontal and vertical sync signals. I read something somewhere on this fact not letting component work with auto sensing VGA switches because of this. Another poster had a Mitsubishi TV that needed a setting changed in the menu each time this happened. Have not had a chance to try it yet because we went to a theme park with the family after posting. Internet on cell phones, who'd have imagined it??! I'll try it later today and hopefully that's it but I thought it was interesting an pertinent to this thread especially since after searching I found little to nothing that matched it.
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OK, I just tested it. The projector sees my PS2 (480i) and Xbox(1080i) over component through the VGA connector just fine and I can switch between the two with my cheap VGA switch no problem. Then I switched on the Dreamcast (640x480 VGA 60Hz) and switched to it. Works great, then back to the 360 or PS2 and it's like they're not even turned on, it just doesn't see the signal. I tried input lock and the resync button. I checked the menu for all kinds of settings but found nothing that worked. I turned it off and assume it will work again when I repower it on. Of course this presents a problem. If you play the Dreamcast, you can't switch to another source (unless it's HDMI) until you power off the projector, which we all know requires at least an hour to cool down before you power it back up again (if you care about the projector and bulb). Anybody got any insight into this or a solution to my problem? I'm sure an HDMI converter would work but that would surely add noise to the signal path which I don't want on the 360 which has a great picture over component.
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Originally Posted by shahram72 View Post

Anybody got any insight into this or a solution to my problem?

If it works fine (minus the utility) without using the "cheap VGA switch" then you probably already know the answer. You don't have an AVR? With all those inputs, you are the perfect example of someone who should be using an AVR to send video to your PJ. But I suppose you realize it, and as an Advanced Cheapskate, you are too cheap to buy one
post #3209 of 3967
I works, but I have to wait an hour if I play the Dreamcast to switch to the 360 or PS2. The projector I had recently was an NEC LT150 which had only a VGA connector, that is why I have only a VGA cable ran in the attic. I have a real nice Sony ES AVR, but it only switches component, it's pre HDMI. I plan on running an HDMI cable once winter hits, but that only helps the PS3, which currently has it's HDMI cable ran exposed. I guess I could run a component set as well since I'm up there, but that's a few months away. Buying a new AVR is out of the question, it would cost too much to equal the quality amplification that I have now.

The VGA cable is a great compact way to transmit component video, it's just a glitch in the projector's software that is causing this issue and I'm hoping someone has a workaround.
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Originally Posted by shahram72 View Post

I works, but I have to wait an hour if I play the Dreamcast to switch to the 360 or PS2. The projector I had recently was an NEC LT150 which had only a VGA connector, that is why I have only a VGA cable ran in the attic. I have a real nice Sony ES AVR, but it only switches component, it's pre HDMI. I plan on running an HDMI cable once winter hits, but that only helps the PS3, which currently has it's HDMI cable ran exposed. I guess I could run a component set as well since I'm up there, but that's a few months away. Buying a new AVR is out of the question, it would cost too much to equal the quality amplification that I have now.

The VGA cable is a great compact way to transmit component video, it's just a glitch in the projector's software that is causing this issue and I'm hoping someone has a workaround.

Just because other devices/projectors support that odd setup and the HD20 doesn't; I would hardly call that a glitch. Connect a computer VGA output to the HD20 VGA input, and it works correctly as designed. When using the same input and output straight to the HD20; it appears everyone has been able to use every device with the HD20. Some people have specific issues with some receivers, but they appear to end up being poor cable issues with AVRs that have weak signal output.

Not that I think you should be using 1 cable to push different signals like that; but is your VGA cable a very thick extremely well shielded cable with ferrite beads at each end? Is it shorter than 30 ft?

As for the AVR, I know this seems silly; you could just buy a $300 (or less) AVR, and only use it for the video switching/converting. And leave audio though your current setup until you are ready to upgrade. Of course it takes up more room and you would need extra cables and you would have to pick the input selects on both units. But then you would have an AVR where you could pick a component source on your non-HDMI AVR and then pick HDMI on the new AVR and it would do the 1080p component video over HDMI. Then you would only need to run HDMI in the attic to compliment your VGA cable, and many HDMI AVRs will convert all signals to HDMI output. Well, my AVR will. Many other HDMI AVRs likely will as well.

Not saying it's an ideal setup to use 2 AVRs like that. But it would certainly work to use one as your audio setup like you are now, and the other for video. But the cheaper route would certainly be to run more cables in the attic to the HD20. May as well just run 2 HDMI and 1 component cable to your PJ and call it good; then upgrade your setup later. Still cheaper than an AVR. Or just 1 HDMI and use a cheap HDMI switcher if you are not already.

I currently have VGA, HDMI, and Component run to the projector with Component and HDMI to the AVR and the VGA straight to my HTPC for now. I have 4 HDMI inputs, with 2 used for the xbox 360 and PS3. I might move the HTPC over to the HDMI one day, but it works and looks perfectly fine at 1080p with the VGA. And my digital audio output to my AVR supports most formats from my HTPC. But I don't think it supports DTS-HD, so I might move to HDMI for that. But right now the only HTPC content I use, is only 5.1 anyway; so I am good for now.
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