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post #121 of 1183
Read my take...
post #122 of 1183
I was in two Best Buy/Magnolias today and both of them had the BDP-S1000ES in stock (list price).
post #123 of 1183
i wonder if they'll see fit to add Netflix support for this model when they add it to the N460 this autumn via firmware update...probably wishful thinking, huh?
post #124 of 1183
I picked up a BDP-S1000ES and spent a little time comparing it to a Pioneer 23FD. I was curious how its image enhancers work. Overall I'd say pretty well and using test patterns I couldn't really generate edge enhancement (to any degree) rather in most cases it would make any that existed easier to spot.

Operational wise they are different but the experience is close enough that I don't prefer one over the other to any degree. The same goes for the remote. Both do the job nicely with the Sony doing it a little sleeker most if not all of the time.

Image wise is what I really care about and flipping back and forth (I had to swap the discs between players) they looked so similar I would have to really study hard before I could tell which was which and then probably only if I didn't have each adjusted to my liking.

Here are some images I captured and I'll let you judge each player and the various settings. I will say in person (110 inch image) I generally prefer the ones with a higher contrast (not high enough to introduce harshness).

At their default settings.





Set to soft.





Set to fine.





Bonus shot. I will say all of the images appear darker and more saturated than in person.



post #125 of 1183
I really like the last one.
post #126 of 1183
Wow, those are great images from your projector. What projector are you using? And I'm assuming you're running HDMI to it?

I'm curious as I'm thinking of switching to HDMI on my projector from using component and I'm looking into cables, etc.

Steve
post #127 of 1183
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I really like the last one.

That one had some motion going on so I was checking to see if the Sony dealt with it better via their...

"Super Bit Mapping smoothes out background shadow and color gradients, and HD Reality Enhancer sharpens moving edges to create the finest video output available from Sony."

I'm using an old Optoma HD80 (1080p24 HDMI). It doesn't have a stellar black level or contrast ratio so using a player that can increase the ANSI contrast (to a degree) helps add some pop along with a little perceived sharpness. At 110 inches the effect isn't as obvious as in the images (however they do show the relative differences nicely).
post #128 of 1183
question for Joerod, Charles R and others:
How do you know definitively that the BDP-S1000ES uses a Marvell chip? because on Marvell's site this model is not listed under their included product! here's their list:
* Philips Blu-ray Disc Player BDP9500
* Panasonic DMR-BW900
* Panasonic DMR-BW800 Blu-ray recorder
* Pioneer BDP-LX91 BD Player
* Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Player
* Pioneer SC-LX90 AVR
* Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
* Mitsubishi LCD-LF462000 TV
* Meridian 810 Reference Video System
* Pioneer Blu-ray Disc player - Elite BDP-09FD
* Pioneer Blu-ray Disc recorder - BDR-WD700
* Pioneer Blu-ray Disc recorder - BDR-WD900
* Sharp BD-HDW15 BD Recorder
* Sharp BD-HDW20 BD Recorder
* Sharp BD-HDW22 BD Recorder
* Sharp BD-HDW25 BD Recorder
* Sharp BD-HDW30 BD Recorder
* Sony BDP S5000ES
* Pioneer Elite SC-09TX A/V Receiver
* Onida Xaria 42 LCD-TV
* Onida Xaria 42 Full HD LCD-TV
* Meridian iRIS HD Video Dock
* LG BH200 dual-format HD-DVD/Blu-ray player
post #129 of 1183
For one the 1000es is pretty new and for two, I have been told from a very reliable source. And for three, the image is damn good!
post #130 of 1183
Just found out mine is waiting at my door from amazon....I'll post some thoughts after I play with it some this weekend...
post #131 of 1183
Quick question for owners....

What are you setting the HD Reality Enhancer at?

Also, random, but when I'm in the menu (sony cross bar nav) I have all this static playing on the screen like noise when you have bad channel reception with an antenna. Then, when I start a blu-ray, the static goes away....any ideas?
post #132 of 1183
Not sure about the "reception" issue. Never seen it once here. What resolution are you doing? As for the setting HD Reality Setting... I like it up one or two (mostly two)...
post #133 of 1183
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Not sure about the "reception" issue. Never seen it once here. What resolution are you doing? As for the setting HD Reality Setting... I like it up one or two (mostly two)...

I have it at 1080P....just like the Sony S350 I had before.

The only strange part is when the movie starts it goes away. Its like background noise to the menu. Its very bizarre.
post #134 of 1183
Charles R,
I have a Sony BDP-S1000ES too. Where did you find the "Detail" setting in the menu?

Can you please post all your video setting?

Video Equalizer
1. Brightness
2. Chroma
3. Hue
4> Gamme

HD Enhancer
1. Enhance
2. Smoothing
3. FGR

NR
1. FNR
2. BNR
3. MNR

So far the Sony BDP-S1000E looks great.
post #135 of 1183
I have the Sony BDP-S1000E, Oppo BDP-83 and Denon DVD-A1UDCI. So far it seems like the Sony BDP-S1000E is the winner if video quality is the number one priority. Its clarity and sharpness is the best to my eyes.
post #136 of 1183
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Originally Posted by peterpioli View Post

Charles R,
I have a Sony BDP-S1000ES too. Where did you find the "Detail" setting in the menu?

Detail is what Pioneer calls the setting. Sony calls it Enhance... from what I can tell both boosts the ANSI CR in a similar fashion by darkening the darks and lightening the lights without introducing edge enhancement (to a large degree).

Unless I'm mistaken if used outside of the default settings the Video Equalizer section will simply un-calibrate your display. NR (noise reduction) I stay away from completely which leaves the HD Enhancer which I did play around with.

I didn't spend a lot of time with Smoothing (why I shot the wall/cabinets) and FGR (film grain reducer). I did pump them up to their limit figuring it would be the easiest to spot and nothing jumped out at me. Since I think both would change the actual pixels displayed unless they were some how magical I'd avoid using them too.

Which only leaves Enhance which is why I posted images with its various settings. I didn't notice it in person but looking at the images you can see the Sony is showing a little better shadow details (look at the stuff on the counter) and the Pioneer's image has brighter whites (look at his watch highlights).

Which leads me to believe the Pioneer overall boosts the ANSI CR a little more than the Sony. Whether this is good or bad can depend on a lot of factors. However the further you go the more likely it is you will introduce crushing on both ends.

I returned the player this morning not because I didn't like it. Rather I didn't see any reason to keep it. Pioneer and LG (BD390) offer the same basic Enhance feature (the only one I would use) at less than half the cost street wise (I'm using a BDP-23FD). Build quality is better than Sony's 360 and 560 models and roughly identical to the older 550 model. Certainly nothing to write home about considering its price (I paid list - 10% at BB).

I don't do DVDs so I can't comment on them. All and all it's a nicer player than their entry level models. I just happen to think its one advanced feature not found on the entry guys (they typically add EE instantly) can be had for a lot less and there isn't anything else unique enough to make you want to pay the difference.
post #137 of 1183
You don't say what other equipment you have and if it has been calibrated. Clarity and sharpness along with a lot of other things are subjective. I have seen many people loving the vivid picture mode but that does not mean it is better or more accurate.
post #138 of 1183
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

You don't say what other equipment you have and if it has been calibrated.

My projector has been calibrated by Ken Whitcomb. I agree ultimately what one prefers is important.
post #139 of 1183
I like the 1000ES as well but (a big one) the Pioneer 320 (same as the 23) both provide nearly the same pic Q at less than half the price (320). Sony should have priced this model somewhat less so it could have a better chance at competing. Most won't pay list let alone even a little less. The 1000ES has nice picture adjusting but depending on one's display results will vary...
post #140 of 1183
I would like to know your settings for the 1000es so I can give them a try. What are your settings in terms of Picture adjustments? (you mentioned you did some tweaking to the standard setting)

Are there any other settings you adjusted for the Super bit mapping or the reality enhancer?

I just got this player, I still getting use to it.
post #141 of 1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Detail is what Pioneer calls the setting. Sony calls it Enhance... from what I can tell both boosts the ANSI CR in a similar fashion by darkening the darks and lightening the lights without introducing edge enhancement (to a large degree).

Unless I'm mistaken if used outside of the default settings the Video Equalizer section will simply un-calibrate your display. NR (noise reduction) I stay away from completely which leaves the HD Enhancer which I did play around with.

I didn't spend a lot of time with Smoothing (why I shot the wall/cabinets) and FGR (film grain reducer). I did pump them up to their limit figuring it would be the easiest to spot and nothing jumped out at me. Since I think both would change the actual pixels displayed unless they were some how magical I'd avoid using them too.

Which only leaves Enhance which is why I posted images with its various settings. I didn't notice it in person but looking at the images you can see the Sony is showing a little better shadow details (look at the stuff on the counter) and the Pioneer's image has brighter whites (look at his watch highlights).

Which leads me to believe the Pioneer overall boosts the ANSI CR a little more than the Sony. Whether this is good or bad can depend on a lot of factors. However the further you go the more likely it is you will introduce crushing on both ends.

I returned the player this morning not because I didn't like it. Rather I didn't see any reason to keep it. Pioneer and LG (BD390) offer the same basic Enhance feature (the only one I would use) at less than half the cost street wise (I'm using a BDP-23FD). Build quality is better than Sony's 360 and 560 models and roughly identical to the older 550 model. Certainly nothing to write home about considering its price (I paid list - 10% at BB).

I don't do DVDs so I can't comment on them. All and all it's a nicer player than their entry level models. I just happen to think its one advanced feature not found on the entry guys (they typically add EE instantly) can be had for a lot less and there isn't anything else unique enough to make you want to pay the difference.

Well I don't have the 1000ES but had the 5000ES for a while. The NR is useful for DVDs. I have this one DVD (a commercial title) with luminance issues. Setting all the NRs to Auto fixed the image.
I did not see any difference at all turning Smoothing and FGR on.
The Digital Enhahncer made a difference, set to +3 I think it degraded the image, found ideal at +2.
But in the end, I prefferred the image through the Pio 05FD as a Blu-ray player, the way you can alternate between calibration profiles is much better and the image was as good if not better.
post #142 of 1183
Great review JoeRod on this player.
I have the Sony bdp 5000es player. How would you compare the audio quality 2ch cd music with these two players.

I have both hdmi and 2ch audio phono jacks hooked up and when I compare cd's, and switch them back and forth I really can't tell a difference, is this normal?

I have a 50" plazma would I see a difference on regular dvd's.

Thanks for your time...
post #143 of 1183
How are the video D/A converters in this player, specifically for component video? Are they cheap or genuine "ES" grade? Has anyone compared the component video out to somthing like the high end S5000ES? Are they comparable or just exactly the same as the ones in the S560 and S360?

The reason I ask is my display is better with component, so that's what I use. I'm currently using the S1, but I had the S300 prior to the S1 and while the HDMI PQ was the same, the S1 has considerably better PQ via component than the S300 - something I'm assuming is attributed to the higher quality video D/A converter section of the S1.
post #144 of 1183
How would you compare the 2ch audio? I have the Sony BDP S 5000ES player.
post #145 of 1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by joerod View Post

For one the 1000es is pretty new and for two, I have been told from a very reliable source. And for three, the image is damn good!

I just love these myterious reliable sources. The Clearly Qdeo website is up to date. Its not listed maybe because this time there is a NDA between Sony and Marvell. Sony still deny that the 5000 uses the Marvell chip despite what Marvell says. Anyhow, did your source confirm it was clearly labelled as Marvell and if so, which LSI (first or second generation), or is it the Sony "CREAS" version.
post #146 of 1183
I have this problem, I have a 1000ES connected to my XBR7 via HDMI. Dialogue is sometimes hard to hear over background music and explosions. Does any one have any idea how I can fix this?
post #147 of 1183
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Originally Posted by nc View Post

I just love these myterious reliable sources. The Clearly Qdeo website is up to date. Its not listed maybe because this time there is a NDA between Sony and Marvell. Sony still deny that the 5000 uses the Marvell chip despite what Marvell says. Anyhow, did your source confirm it was clearly labelled as Marvell and if so, which LSI (first or second generation), or is it the Sony "CREAS" version.

Since it is a mystery (which you love) I won't say anymore.
post #148 of 1183
Just can't give a straight answer, can you!!
post #149 of 1183
Not for you.
post #150 of 1183
Joerod, I know you can't comment directly on the Denon DBP-2010CI, but based on your experiences with other Denon blu-ray players, do you think the S1000ES is a better choice for someone more interested in bitstreaming audio?

I'm on the fence between the Denon 2010 and this Sony.
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