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post #241 of 1161
11/29/09 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

winston too bad you didn't review the BDP-S360, as far as I can see it's exactly the same player for $150 instead of $700. I liked your review.

No it is not, the 1000ES has HD Reality Enhancer and Super Bit Mapping both do make a significant difference in image quality.
Now is the S1000ES worth the price tag? I don't think so, build construction wise it feels cheap and it does not have that many features (no Netflix, You tube, etc.; limited media playing - it plays MP3s but no MP2s and other media types).
No one has yet mentioned that the S1000ES cannot play recorded BRs, that is, if you record something on your PC and burns to a BR disc, you're out of luck with the Sony which to me leads to not being recommmended.
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post #242 of 1161
12/1/09 at 5:06pm
Just picked up an S760 here in Canada for $450 and thought I'd post a few impressions.

I have a Sony S360 also, so was able to compare using the dual HDMI ports on my pj.

First off, it doesn't do 24p for SD-DVD...not a big deal to me anyway. Upscaling and deinterlacing is no better than the 360, quite inferior to the Reon VX processor in my projector. Sending it 480i gave a much cleaner look with less jaggies and artifacts than 1080p. Not to say that the Sony is bad, just that the Reon is so much better.

Picture quality is near identical to the s360, except for one important fact. The 760 has none of the edge enhancement that the 360 has. This is noticeably apparent when watching SD-DVD and letting the projector deinterlace and scale to 1080p. It's a much cleaner, less noisy image. Especially in low light scenes and lots of blue. Watching Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and Dracula (SD-DVD) it was apparent in the blueish moonlit scenes and around distant details. There is also an obvious sharpening to fine details in the background that I find unpleasant with the 360.

The brightness adjustment was very welcome, by increasing it to 1, I was able to pass BTB with my projector using YCbCr 4:4:4 output...something it won't do with other players.

I didn't really notice any difference using the Reality Enhancer, have to play with this a little. Film grain reduction was great for Blu rays though. It does affect overall sharpness, but really does reduce grain for a much smoother look. By increasing sharpness on my pj I was able to find a happy medium for every Blu ray I watched.

All video affects can be changed while the disc is playing and works with both SD-DVD and Blu ray.

With 7.1 analog out, wireless, headphone out, and usb port in the front plus PAL playback it's a keeper for me and well worth the $300 premium over the 360.
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post #243 of 1161
12/1/09 at 11:10pm
what is pj?
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post #244 of 1161
12/2/09 at 11:17am
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what is pj?

projector, post has been changed.
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post #245 of 1161
12/19/09 at 9:33am
Well they only had one left at Best Buy (1000ES) and quite frankly while I cannot really complain about how much one gets with cheaper players for the buck, I've tried many and still continue to search!

$699 isn't really what I wanted to spend BUT at least I can try this player till Jan 31st putting it through its paces. I have no access to other higher quality players whereby I can do that and besides BB is a hop, skip and jump with no hassle policy for a return.

I tried the S360 folks. No way I was keeping that with what I consider mediocre upconversion of SD DVDs and I feel I tried enough to make that judgment. And no way do I recall that player giving me the BD playback quality I'm seeing with the 1000ES and I've made no settings adjustments as of yet either. I admit it is very early but I still have 6 weeks and I'm tired of buying and trying the cheaper players and not being tickled to death so to speak regardless of great things folks have to say about them. Long story shorter, I returned them for much of the same reasons others have had with specific players.

Who even knows if some settling have tried the higher end players for comparison.

I've probably watched as many or even more BDs than just about anyone and want better PQ! Hopefully trying this player is a step in the right direction.
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post #246 of 1161
12/23/09 at 10:56am
Well the PQ and AQ are both excellent but it is going to be hard for anyone to justify this player (S1000ES) at the price versus others out there for considerably less that I've had experiences with.

I basicaly wanted to see if this was going to be a player "that blew me away" so to speak and I already kind of had that answer before I decided to give it a go just reading through the thread. We all have different displays, lighting conditions, vision, etc. though.

It is still early in my evaluation process and the player may come down in price though I doubt by leaps and bounds before Jan 31st so we'll see. Having access to this one though through Best Buy helps as I rather not mail order a player I have had no experience with whatsoever (including the Oppo) and in a higher price bracket than what I already own.
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post #247 of 1161
12/27/09 at 4:49pm
Justified or not the 1000ES is a damn good player. I have had nearly every player out there from the lower level models up to the $4500 DVDA1. I can say the best solution for my theater is stacking the 1000ES with their N460 Network player. We get the absolute best of both worlds. Plus I can send the N460 to the bar or playroom if someone wants to watch a Blu ray movie in those areas. And of course I can stream Netflix and or cool Slacker radio into the theater. That worked out well lastnite when we were getting ready to watch The Hangover. I had the N460 playing music while the 1000ES was on pause and waiting. As they piled into my room it gave it a real movie theater atmoshpere feeling. I know that solution is not ideal for everyone but it sure works well for me.




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post #248 of 1161
12/28/09 at 5:09am
Since the 760 and 1000ES (I wanted a 1000ES, but in Canada noooooo!) appear to be similar in construction, I will post my question here along with a few updates(also posted in the 760 thread, but it disappears fast...).

I just installed an S760 to replace an S500. The picture and sound quality are top notch. The unit seems to decode DTS HDMA which the S500 could not (my receiver accepts MPCM but cannot decode the newer codecs). In the S500 you could set it to output only LPCM. In this model it is "automatic" over HDMI and when set on Direct sends decoded True HD and HDMA as PCM, but sends lossy Dolby Digital and DTS to the receiver. No problem, but the other way seemed better, for example if you wanted to decode in the player rather than bitstream even if your receiver decoded the high rez formats. I have noticed that the unit decodes only DTS (at least indicated in the menu) when set to "mix" vs "direct" for DTS HDMA.

The player has all sorts of fancy items, wireless, BD Live, etc, none of which I will ever use....but it appears not to have any way to check on chapter times in the displays! You can toggle between playing time and remaining time, but no indication of which chapter or chapter time remaining. Am I just missing something or is this "basic" function not included? Are the 360/460/560/1000ES the same way?

The load times are a lot faster and the menu system seems to be more sophisticated, but I have only watched one Blu-ray movie, Fight Club, so there might be a few other strange things show up. The picture (set on 1080P/24 sent to my Pioneer PRO-111FD) and sound are excellent and it is definately an excellent player and a worthwhile upgrade. I have since finished Rome on Blu-ray and it was excellent. My movie watching has centered on the Lord Of The Rings trilogy on DVD and it also appears to be excellent when upconverted in the 760.

The front USB port for photos works really well, the photos show up instantaneously rather than having to go through the long wait times using the USB on the Pioneer directly.

Cheers and seasons greetings,
P.E.Hannon
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post #249 of 1161
12/29/09 at 7:58am
Joerod,

Not having access to any top notch players for PQ to compare this to will always leave some doubt. I readily remember the summer shootout you did BUT I know the price of those other players. But obviously the Oppo is going to be included in any discussions price for the buck BUT I didn't pull the trigger on the current unit for reasons I've written in other places.

I feel after initial impressions this Sony is a damn good player and worth the money from what I've seen AND heard for me to want to continue to evaluate further. After all, I have to consider what I have purchased in the past that was available earlier which I felt them worth the money and what I paid for those which are now smoked compared to this Sony entry. This player (and the like) would more than liking have me discover BD all over again. It is nice to be able to witness some of the better BDs the format has to offer and AGREE with reviewers and the general consenus scoring after I've had the chance to view again with this player. I'll throw Potter's HBP into the fold as testing the limits of anyone's player and display.

I don't like sideways moves which I think some folks probably have been doing. I've only kept what I feel offered more than what I had (not always necessarily including features but most of the time). This player definitely would not be a sideways move.

A new OPPO folks know is on the horizon as well as 3.0 profile players. I still have time (almost a month) to make my decision after a full evaluation but I'm in agreement up to this point at least, justifications or not, this player is damn good.

Considering my involvment with the hobby, being a movie watcher, and watching as many BDs as just about anyone, I owe it to myself to witness better PQ than I have.
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post #250 of 1161
12/29/09 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

Joerod,

Not having access to any top notch players for PQ to compare this to will always leave some doubt. I readily remember the summer shootout you did BUT I know the price of those other players. But obviously the Oppo is going to be included in any discussions price for the buck BUT I didn't pull the trigger on the current unit for reasons I've written in other places.

I feel after initial impressions this Sony is DEFINITELY a damn good player and worth the money from what I've seen AND heard for me to continue to evaluate further. After all, I have to consider what I have purchased in the past that was available earlier which I felt them worth the money and what I paid for those which are now smoked compared to this Sony entry. This player (and the like) would more than liking have me discover BD all over again. It is nice to be able to witness some of the better BDs the format has to offer and AGREE with reviewers and the general consenus scoring after I've had the chance to view again with this player. I'll throw Potter's HBP into the fold as testing the limits of anyone's player and display.

I don't like sideways moves which I think some folks probably have been doing. I've only kept what I feel offered more than what I had (not always necessarily including features but most of the time). This player definitely would not be a sideways move.

A new OPPO folks know is on the horizon as well as 3.0 profile players. I still have time (almost a month) to make my decision after a full evaluation but I'm in agreement up to this point at least, justifications or not, this player is damn good.

Considering my involvment with the hobby, being a movie watcher, and watching as many BDs as just about anyone, I owe it to myself to witness better PQ than I have.

Please note I do not mean any of the following post as trolling or to incite debate, just provide my thoughts:

I feel the Sony player is a bit lost in the competitive landscape of other offerings. It's dvd quality is very good, but frankly the hd enchancer creates more errors than it solves in my testing. Its edge enhancement causes aliasing, most noticeably with closely placed vertical or horizontal lines. It's price point at $700 is a tough one - the oppo offers better dvd upscaling, sacd/dvda and faster load times. The denon 2010/marantz 7004 offer better two channel analogue and slightly better dvd performance albeit with fewer tweaking options.

I think this player would be hands down winner at $350. It's just too over-priced in my opinion.
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post #251 of 1161
12/29/09 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Please note I do not mean any of the following post as trolling or to incite debate, just provide my thoughts:

I feel the Sony player is a bit lost in the competitive landscape of other offerings. It's dvd quality is very good, but frankly the hd enchancer creates more errors than it solves in my testing. Its edge enhancement causes aliasing, most noticeably with closely placed vertical or horizontal lines. It's price point at $700 is a tough one - the oppo offers better dvd upscaling, sacd/dvda and faster load times. The denon 2010/marantz 7004 offer better two channel analogue and slightly better dvd performance albeit with fewer tweaking options.

I think this player would be hands down winner at $350. It's just too over-priced in my opinion.

Winston, I noticed you have posted nearly the same exact post above all over the net. Best Buy, Amazon, Here... It's like you are running for office.

Bottom line is I feel the complete opposite of what you posted. I go with real time viewing not synthetic tests. The 1000ES gets the job done as well as my beloved Pioneer 09FD and even the Denon 4010 (I compared a few movies over the weekend) I just had here. Sure in a perfect world it would be 350.00. I will say it does not freeze or refuse any of my titles either. I have come full circle the past few months and I am really happy with the pic Q and overall performance of the 1000ES.

And since we like Streaming Netflix, Amazon on Demand and cool Slacker Radio the N460 makes a great companion. All of these features and exceptional pic Q for around 850.00.... Can't beat that, and believe me I tried.
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post #252 of 1161
12/29/09 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

Joerod,

Not having access to any top notch players for PQ to compare this to will always leave some doubt. I readily remember the summer shootout you did BUT I know the price of those other players. But obviously the Oppo is going to be included in any discussions price for the buck BUT I didn't pull the trigger on the current unit for reasons I've written in other places.

I feel after initial impressions this Sony is a damn good player and worth the money from what I've seen AND heard for me to want to continue to evaluate further. After all, I have to consider what I have purchased in the past that was available earlier which I felt them worth the money and what I paid for those which are now smoked compared to this Sony entry. This player (and the like) would more than liking have me discover BD all over again. It is nice to be able to witness some of the better BDs the format has to offer and AGREE with reviewers and the general consenus scoring after I've had the chance to view again with this player. I'll throw Potter's HBP into the fold as testing the limits of anyone's player and display.

I don't like sideways moves which I think some folks probably have been doing. I've only kept what I feel offered more than what I had (not always necessarily including features but most of the time). This player definitely would not be a sideways move.

A new OPPO folks know is on the horizon as well as 3.0 profile players. I still have time (almost a month) to make my decision after a full evaluation but I'm in agreement up to this point at least, justifications or not, this player is damn good.

Considering my involvment with the hobby, being a movie watcher, and watching as many BDs as just about anyone, I owe it to myself to witness better PQ than I have.

Like I just posted above... The 1000ES paired with the N460 is the Blu ray combo set to beat. No freeze issues, no loading issues and easy navigation (like their PS3s). All movies (including new releases) play without issue. Not sure how the new Oppo will go but I am set for awhile...
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post #253 of 1161
12/29/09 at 10:14am
just curious if you guys have had a chance to compare with the lg 390? I have a marantz 8002 reciever & sony brava xbr4. No blu ray experience, but would like to buy one asap. I run everything via hdmi thru the 8002 first.
Im not one who likes to have to tweek & program before every movie, rather just set up and program the initial first time if possible. thanks chris
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post #254 of 1161
12/29/09 at 10:20am
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just curious if you guys have had a chance to compare with the lg 390? I have a marantz 8002 reciever & sony brava xbr4. No blu ray experience, but would like to buy one asap. I run everything via hdmi thru the 8002 first.
Im not one who likes to have to tweek & program before every movie, rather just set up and program the initial first time if possible. thanks chris

I actually reviewed the LG390. I like it and we have one in our family room.
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post #255 of 1161
12/29/09 at 12:49pm
Could anyone comment on the fan noise of the S1000ES / S760 player? Is heat an issue if you have it in a media cabinet (with ventilation) ?
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post #256 of 1161
12/29/09 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by BriS2K View Post

Could anyone comment on the fan noise of the S1000ES / S760 player? Is heat an issue if you have it in a media cabinet (with ventilation) ?

Not even sure when it kicks on it is so silent. I wouldn't worry to much about cabinet space. I have used mine for a few movie marathons and never had a single issue.
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post #257 of 1161
12/30/09 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by BriS2K View Post

Could anyone comment on the fan noise of the S1000ES / S760 player? Is heat an issue if you have it in a media cabinet (with ventilation) ?

My BDP-S760 (BDPD-S1000ES) is in the cabinet with receivers and digibx and its quiet.....my PS3 was ine the same cabinet like turbo jet.....
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post #258 of 1161
12/30/09 at 8:07am
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just curious if you guys have had a chance to compare with the lg 390? I have a marantz 8002 reciever & sony brava xbr4. No blu ray experience, but would like to buy one asap. I run everything via hdmi thru the 8002 first.
Im not one who likes to have to tweek & program before every movie, rather just set up and program the initial first time if possible. thanks chris

Well I have the LG390 and comparisons I've done so far gives the advantage to the S1000ES for both PQ and AQ. Don't get me wrong cause the LG is a very good buy and worth every penny but cannot best the Sony.

I have not really found the need to make any adjustments on either player after the initial setup.

We all need to remember this entry is fairly new to the market (not that I really need to remind anyone). It will go down in price eventually just like anything else. It doesn't mean though the player isn't a darn good performer and not worth the price (I've bought my share at top dollar early on, ie PS3 and Panny BD30).

I haven't been through evaluating as many players as Joerod but I can say at this point this player is impressive. I'm not sure what would change my opinion but I plan to plug away as $699 isn't change but taken in consideration isn't a ton to spend as compared to some of the top performers in his summer shootout whereby he is getting good results from this one after evaluating and it is currently is his rack.

The Oppo? Not enough comparisons done as far as I'm concerned, nor do I have any experiences with it personally.

I also go by real time viewing, never by synthetic tests.
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post #259 of 1161
12/31/09 at 7:36am
It appears some folks buying this player a few months ago are no longer posting. If we don't hear more from them about their experiences with this player soon, I'll PM them.

The more feedback the better with user's experiences with a relatively new player.

Watched KOH last night. I was totally floored by the PQ and AQ. I know it is a top rated BD but man was I even more impressed. This is more like it compared to what I'm accustomed to!
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post #260 of 1161
1/1/10 at 2:56am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

It appears some folks buying this player a few months ago are no longer posting. If we don't hear more from them about their experiences with this player soon, I'll PM them.

The more feedback the better with user's experiences with a relatively new player.

I'll give you feedback but it won't be good. Build quality is very poor, cheap and nasty plastics everywhere, tiny square rubber feet, cheaply made remote. My 10 year old midrange sony dvd player is build like a tank compared to this POS and feels at least ten times more expensive. (brushed aluminum everywhere/very sturdy tray/heavy remote with jog dial/jog dial on front face, 4 proper big round feet, etc.)

Enough with the build let's move to the performance. My old player from total shutdown can be playing a movie in about 4 seconds. The new one takes years to startup and is unresponsive while doing so. If you select the quick start setting it still takes over 6 seconds to respond. Very very slow. When it starts playing a dvd a you switch chapters in my old player it is instant. The instance you press the next button, chapter changes, new players feels like two seconds have to go by.

Blu-ray playback is like ten times slower than the already slow dvd playback. I can load 10 blu-ray movies on my htpc before the new player starts playing the first one. (Note: all my blu-rays for htpc are on hard disk)

So badly build and very slow to respond. How is playback? Frankly dvd compared to my newish pio player is no better (if I had to choose I'd say it's worse) and blu-ray playback is no better than my htpc but not worse.

How is the feature set? Very poor to appauling I'd have to say. Compared to my htpc, scratch that there is no comparison

What about the price? You've guessed it. Ridiculously and inexcusably overpriced. After living with the player I wouldn't pay a third of what I payed to rebuy it.

Can it be impoved? You can only improve the player with firmware updates but I don't see this player becoming any faster, it is simply too slow. The only thing sony could improve is offer Source Direct Mode but their focus is not on quality for this player so I wouldn't hold my breath. It is a real PITA to have to switch to 480i everytime I want to watch a dvd. Infact the player is so slow I'm moving my pio back from the bedroom to my living room.
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post #261 of 1161
1/1/10 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

I'll give you feedback but it won't be good. Build quality is very poor, cheap and nasty plastics everywhere, tiny square rubber feet, cheaply made remote. My 10 year old midrange sony dvd player is build like a tank compared to this POS and feels at least ten times more expensive. (brushed aluminum everywhere/very sturdy tray/heavy remote with jog dial/jog dial on front face, 4 proper big round feet, etc.)

Enough with the build let's move to the performance. My old player from total shutdown can be playing a movie in about 4 seconds. The new one takes years to startup and is unresponsive while doing so. If you select the quick start setting it still takes over 6 seconds to respond. Very very slow. When it starts playing a dvd a you switch chapters in my old player it is instant. The instance you press the next button, chapter changes, new players feels like two seconds have to go by.

Blu-ray playback is like ten times slower than the already slow dvd playback. I can load 10 blu-ray movies on my htpc before the new player starts playing the first one. (Note: all my blu-rays for htpc are on hard disk)

So badly build and very slow to respond. How is playback? Frankly dvd compared to my newish pio player is no better (if I had to choose I'd say it's worse) and blu-ray playback is no better than my htpc but not worse.

How is the feature set? Very poor to appauling I'd have to say. Compared to my htpc, scratch that there is no comparison

What about the price? You've guessed it. Ridiculously and inexcusably overpriced. After living with the player I wouldn't pay a third of what I payed to rebuy it.

Can it be impoved? You can only improve the player with firmware updates but I don't see this player becoming any faster, it is simply too slow. The only thing sony could improve is offer Source Direct Mode but their focus is not on quality for this player so I wouldn't hold my breath. It is a real PITA to have to switch to 480i everytime I want to watch a dvd. Infact the player is so slow I'm moving my pio back from the bedroom to my living room.

Your impatience and general frustration prevent you from seeing the quality in this machine. Have had mine for about two months with an XBR2 70" and it is great! I don't use it as a chair or a baseball bat so build quality is sufficient. I don't really notice load times that much. Turn it on put in movie and watch. If you are buying based on load times you are missing the boat. I don't notice any chapter skipping problems. Switching to 480i? Never had that problem. Maybe you have a bad player. Why didn't you just return it if is so terrible?
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post #262 of 1161
1/1/10 at 8:24am
I'm buying the Oppo
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post #263 of 1161
1/1/10 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by mcmaz View Post

Your impatience and general frustration prevent you from seeing the quality in this machine. Have had mine for about two months with an XBR2 70" and it is great! I don't use it as a chair or a baseball bat so build quality is sufficient. I don't really notice load times that much. Turn it on put in movie and watch. If you are buying based on load times you are missing the boat. I don't notice any chapter skipping problems. Switching to 480i? Never had that problem. Maybe you have a bad player. Why didn't you just return it if is so terrible?

I've seen much better quality (mainly build/features/upscaling for much less). Had mine for a few weeks with 50" kuro elite. Build/design/looks is poor end of. If you can't see it go and witness an old/new denon dvd player. Load times are very slow, I guess it depends on what you're used to. I always had very snappy dvd players and htpcs (always running plenty amounts of overclocked processing power). Press next chapter while viewing a dvd. Is it instant like all my other players? No. That is a problem. I have to manually switch to 480i for dvds as the deinterlacing/upscaling of my kuro, inverse telecine and 3:3 pulldown to 72Hz on dvd material is much better than the 1080p60Hz that the sony can master. For blu-rays I have to switch back to 1080p. PITA. Player is fine, I mean as "fine" are all the 1000es players. I don't buy to return. Too much hassle. It is not a horrible player just not a particularly good one and an expensive one at that. If I wasn't such a sony fanboy I wouldn't of gotten it in the first place.

The only good point I've noticed is that the fan is not always running but thinking about it, it is not much of a plus as it shouldn't have a fan in the first place. If they used an all aluminium construction and vent fins there wouldn't be a need for a fan. It's not like this thing has the processing power of a ps3 and needs the cooling.

I believe the bdp-s350/360/460/whatever are a much better option, at least they are cheap.

The best thing about this player is the lan. I think it took me two-three remote clicks to update the player. For full marks the player should have rebooted though. When I returned from the kitchen it was turned off. I immediately thought it's either dead or stupid. Luckily it was the latter.
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post #264 of 1161
1/1/10 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

It appears some folks buying this player a few months ago are no longer posting. If we don't hear more from them about their experiences with this player soon, I'll PM them.

I think a great deal of them don't post since they returned the player. Myself included.
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post #265 of 1161
1/1/10 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

I've seen much better quality (mainly build/features/upscaling for much less). Had mine for a few weeks with 50" kuro elite. Build/design/looks is poor end of. If you can't see it go and witness an old/new denon dvd player. Load times are very slow, I guess it depends on what you're used to. I always had very snappy dvd players and htpcs (always running plenty amounts of overclocked processing power). Press next chapter while viewing a dvd. Is it instant like all my other players? No. That is a problem. I have to manually switch to 480i for dvds as the deinterlacing/upscaling of my kuro, inverse telecine and 3:3 pulldown to 72Hz on dvd material is much better than the 1080p60Hz that the sony can master. For blu-rays I have to switch back to 1080p. PITA. Player is fine, I mean as "fine" are all the 1000es players. I don't buy to return. Too much hassle. It is not a horrible player just not a particularly good one and an expensive one at that. If I wasn't such a sony fanboy I wouldn't of gotten it in the first place.

The only good point I've noticed is that the fan is not always running but thinking about it, it is not much of a plus as it shouldn't have a fan in the first place. If they used an all aluminium construction and vent fins there wouldn't be a need for a fan. It's not like this thing has the processing power of a ps3 and needs the cooling.

I believe the bdp-s350/360/460/whatever are a much better option, at least they are cheap.

The best thing about this player is the lan. I think it took me two-three remote clicks to update the player. For full marks the player should have rebooted though. When I returned from the kitchen it was turned off. I immediately thought it's either dead or stupid. Luckily it was the latter.

Thanks for the clarification. I understand now.
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post #266 of 1161
1/2/10 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I think a great deal of them don't post since they returned the player. Myself included.

I'd be happy to know that if that were the case but I didn't see them post that specifically.

Folks say there aren't lots of posts and the player is stuck in no man's land.
Well for one thing (though it is early), the player has given me no problems whatsoever with SD DVD and BDs either loading or playing. Grant it with don't have a large enough market yet to determine reliability but so far so good and we don't see lots reporting loading or playing problems. It isn't a slow loading player per se and chapter changing isn't terrible by any stretch from what I've witnessed personally. No need perhaps for folks to come to AVS then and utilize it as customer support for a manufacturer if problems arise. That immediately lowers number of posts!

Also, folks willing to spend more than the current LG390, Pionner 23FD/320, Panny 60/80 etc. have already done so with the OPPO or the Marantz or perhap the Denon offerings. Only problem is Sony brought this into the market later and it is up to others to determine now if they want to consider it.

My problem? Do I want to hold unto this player and pay an additional $699? I already own players that have prettty much loaded and played flawlessly over the time I've had them and offer very good PQ and AQ though not up to the level this player has so far.

Decisons, decisions.
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post #267 of 1161
1/2/10 at 10:17am
The only update I have about this player is that it easily trumps my others in Blu ray pic quality and tweakability. I've owned the Samsung 2550, Sony s360, and Pioneer 320. It is slower than the s360 in loading and skipping chapters etc, but it has a much cleaner, noise free image and none of the aggressive sharpening. It is about the same speed and throws a better Blu ray image(black are inkier) than the Pioneer, yet drops behind in DVD upscaling. The big advantage over the Pioneer is that it allows you to use noise and film grain reduction on Blu ray, the Pio 320 locks you out. The Samsung has an excellent upconverter, but is also slower and had so many glitches and issues...if I was buying for solely upscaling SDDVD, I would have kept it. Luckily my Pro8100 Projector has a high end HQV Reon processor that is as good or even a little better than the Samung at upscaling. So I get the best of both worlds.

Oh yeah, the Canadian equivalent of the 1000es, the s760, is selling here for $399 at Sony Style and $350 at a local big name store. I paid $450 a month ago and they just credited me back $100 under their price guarantee. For that $$, it's a no brainer, IMO.

I'm a happy camper
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post #268 of 1161
1/2/10 at 10:51am
Picked one up at the sony store for 299.00 great deal awesome player
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post #269 of 1161
1/2/10 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by petethebaker View Post

Picked one up at the sony store for 299.00 great deal awesome player

at that price, it is a great player1
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post #270 of 1161
1/2/10 at 11:29am
I also have to state that since I bought the S760 I've encountered no issues what-so-ever with any of the BD's or DVD's I've watched, old or new. I still find the image with the Reality Enchancer set to +3 to be incredibly sharp with no noticable artifacts, and compared to my Panny BD30, it's a big step-up for me. However, in about 2 weeks I'll be upgrading my Panny PT-AE2000 projector to a JVC RS25 which should have a much better image overall, including sharpness, and so my opinion of the RE may change a bit then.
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