The Official Plasma Input Lag Thread. - Page 8

Originally Posted by varkeast

I tested a Samsung 2011 PN59D7000 using a variety of modes against a mistubishi diamond CRT and using SMTT from frito:

I took 3 pictures in each mode, and tested movie, relax, and standard w/ game mode enabled all through my receiver, i also tested standard w/ game mode with the PC directly attached to the TV to make sure the receiver was not introducing any more lag. Attached is one of the Game mode direct shots (sorry so big, only way to read the monitor)



I didnt see much change between modes, all averaged around 38-40ms
First number is the decimal on TV, second is on Monitor, 3rd is the delta

Movie + receiver
80 108 28
608 654 46
312 353 41
Average 38.3333333333333

Relax + receiver
426 473 47
970 1012 42
279 316 37
Average 42


Game + Receiver
165 199 34
113 151 38
606 649 43
Average 38.3333333333333


Game Direct
854 889 35
85 119 34
unreadable
Average 34.5

Originally Posted by spoons

That seems fairly high for a plasma.

Originally Posted by LastQuestion

Panys usually have 16-20ms input lag. A few have had 30ms but the difference between 30 and 16 is basically imperceptible. As has also already been pointed out the Samsung achieves 16ms by turning off basically all post-processing which results in a poorer PQ when compared to a pany which would have input lag that's basically just as low. It should also be noted that the THX mode with gt/vt series of panys gives true-to-life color while also maintaining that same very low input lag. You'd no doubt have to get the samsung professionally calibrated to get good color in game mode. Panys give you the best out of the box performance and picture, period.

Originally Posted by obveron

How are you splitting the signal? If you are just using dual outputs on your video card, it's possible some of the lag is on one of the outputs.

Originally Posted by varkeast

For all the testing i was using a 720p signal since the monitor i have to test against won't support 1080p, so maybe it is delay introduced in scaling the image

Using a PC with a radeon 5750 utilizing dual outputs:
HDMI to tv, dvi-rgb to CRT monitor

Using a laptop with unknown video card:
hdmi to tv, laptop LCD

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977

Good post. I think the fact that it was 720p might introduce some lag when upscaling

I cannot detect any major lag when using standard or movie mode in my D7000

I do not use game mode at all and that is a first for me since all other LED LCD sammy's have always needed game mode to be playable.

Originally Posted by varkeast

Yea i'm not sure if game mode really does much or not on these plasmas. my (probably delayed) tests showed it was about par w/ movie mode as long as all the "enhancements" are disabled. game mode seems like it just forces standard picture mode, and cranks up the sharpness and edge enhancement feature. By default game mode really looks like trash with all the fake sharpness and edge enhancement.

I am LOVING COD on this thing, its like a whole new game after my 6 old 720p samsung dlp, no extra lag noticeable there.

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977

Quick question, what settings do you turn off when gaming

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977

That is weird because on my Sammy LED B8500 without game mode on the set was unplayable

On this 51D7000 with game mode OFF, I feel no lag that detracts from my gaming experience in MLB the show

Originally Posted by JukeBox360

The 8500 has pretty much the worst lag I've ever seen on a set. Which is why I do not game on mine. Home mode on or off. It's to slow. Amazing picture. But horrid lag.

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977


I was able to game on it with game mode ON, but not with it off

I am sure the game mode had input lag but it did not bother me when playing games that I play like shooters and baseball games.

With my new Sammy Plasma I do not even need to engage game mode and I feel no input lag that would hamper my gaming (Very happy with that)

Originally Posted by JukeBox360

I play a ton on cod. The lag was just messing me up lol. Samsung plasma sets are great for gaming. But the 8500 is just horrid. I don't think they planned on having people game on this set. Super high price. It does an amazing job for movies.

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977

Yea it is a great set, but one thing that it cannot match to the D series plasmas is the color accuracy.

But that B8500 is the best LED ever till this day.

Originally Posted by JukeBox360

Really? The new sets are that good?! I might have to take a look at them then. How's the black level? Input lag? I've been thinking of getting something to replace my 8500. But I haven't seen anything worthy enough to replace it's amazing picture.

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977

The black levels are amazing on this set, not like my Kuro Elite but better then the B8500 which is to be expected from a plasma. (Even though the B8500 for an LED had terrific black levels)

But is the color accuracy and the uniformity of the screen that I love. From any angle this tv looks the same. And as CNET put it the color accuracy is now their bench mark for testing other sets

I first bought a Best Buy display of the C8000 plasma and it was great but gaming was horrible without game mode.

I then returned it for the D7000 to get 1 more inch for 51" and tested my COD and MLB the show without game mode and felt like game mode on the C8000 plasma I returned. That made me happy to have the ability to not have to engage game mode to enjoy gaming on this set.

Originally Posted by JukeBox360

What! Better blacks then my Sammy! Are you 100% on that!? If that's true I'm listing my tv for sale right now lol. The blacks are unbelievable on this thing. I can't imagine better. Other then KURO.

Originally Posted by NJPapi1977


Yea that review is 2 years old. At that time he was right but no way are those blacks better then the D line plasma this year.

And I have both and the Kuro Elite

Originally Posted by JukeBox360

I knew the d sets were amazing. But I didn't think there blacks would he darker then the 8500. Off to the store I go.

Originally Posted by chudsmith

This is my first post.

These are the results I have after testing my new Panasonic TC-P65GT30.

I toke a total of 21 shot for an average of 53.52 ms.

The total above was taken in game mode, but I also tested in standard mode and found the lag to be the same.

I only began to test the tv as I found I was doing badly when playing Black Ops. Over a few days I realized there was more to it than a bad ping or simply better players.

I play C.O.D at least as much as I watch tv and movies, so I will have to return this tv at great cost and effort, as I ordered it online and drove from Ontario to Buffalo to pick it up.

I thought I'd done my homework, and that Panasonic was the best bet, sadly I was wrong.

The picture and 3d are awsome on this set, Unfortunatly I can't seem to play C.O.D.

I don't know if the screen size (64 inch) makes a difference.

On a whim I tested my old Hitachi 57SWX20B and it had multiple shots at 0 ms lag and, one shot that showed 10 ms.

I used to think I was pretty good at C.O.D, now I wonder if it's just my old tv.

Originally Posted by chudsmith

This is my first post.

These are the results I have after testing my new Panasonic TC-P65GT30.

I toke a total of 21 shot for an average of 53.52 ms.

The total above was taken in game mode, but I also tested in standard mode and found the lag to be the same.

I only began to test the tv as I found I was doing badly when playing Black Ops. Over a few days I realized there was more to it than a bad ping or simply better players.

I play C.O.D at least as much as I watch tv and movies, so I will have to return this tv at great cost and effort, as I ordered it online and drove from Ontario to Buffalo to pick it up.

I thought I'd done my homework, and that Panasonic was the best bet, sadly I was wrong.

The picture and 3d are awsome on this set, Unfortunatly I can't seem to play C.O.D.

I don't know if the screen size (64 inch) makes a difference.

On a whim I tested my old Hitachi 57SWX20B and it had multiple shots at 0 ms lag and, one shot that showed 10 ms.

I used to think I was pretty good at C.O.D, now I wonder if it's just my old tv.

Originally Posted by chudsmith

These are the results I have after testing my new Panasonic TC-P65GT30.