The Official Plasma Input Lag Thread. - Page 9

hey guys, question for ya:

I'd love to get a TV in the 42-46 range that I can game on. I've tried a Sammy LED and right now I have the Panasonic L42D2 at home, which supposeduly is "good" (in the 30ms) range. While the Pansonic is miles better than the Sammy, I still don't feel comfortable gaming on it. Now, having looked at the ratings in the original post, it seems that the Panasonic G10/15 and VT25 have input lags in the 20 and under ms. Would you guys recommend I try one of these sets? Are those numbers accurate for HDMI connections? Thanks for your help. I just want a set that I can watch fantastic quality Blu-Rays and play games on. So far I'm 0/2.

The Sammy D series plasma do not have input lag that will hurt your gaming at all. I am very anal about it and on my sammy LED it stinks for gaming but on my plasma sammy I game without enabling game mode.

And this years sammy plasmas are not inferior to the Panny.

I really want to follow up on this testing but have always been dissatisfied with the results because of various red flags or discrepancies.

I have a laptop with VGA and HDMI out with both Windows XP and Win 7 installed, a desktop with Win 7 and an ATi card with VGA/DVI/HDMI and I have a spare NVIDIA card + another desktop with another NVIDIA card... With all this gear at my disposal I'd expect I'd at least be able to establish some patterns, but what comes back is just inconsistant.

When you take 6 photos and end up with two that are clearly 31ms, two that are clearly 47ms and two that are 50/50, you just have to wonder...

While I believe you, the rating on the front page says the D7000 says that its approximately 30ms. Well, that's supposedly what my L42D2 has and I still think it's too much. Should I just wait a year and see if we get even more improvement?

Been testing a few games on my new Panny 65ST30, and can easily say that you won't even need Game Mode. Works great, just don't turn on the Motion Smoother or it will add noticeable input lag, but nowhere near as bad as all the Samsung LCDs I owned these past few years.

Panasonic TC-P65GT30.

Hey guys, I've checked everything you mentioned, and belive them to be set correctly.

I toke a total of 43 photo's for an average of 23 ms.

Thanks again.

Now aren't you glad you don't have to box up that pig???


The Samsung D panels were easy to package back up, but i wouldnt even want to attempt on the panasonic.

The panny was packed alot tighter better protection than the samsungs

Hell ya, I was seriously broken hearted.
This TV looks amazing.

Not to mention I would have to rent a truck $150.00
Pay for shipping back to amazon, another $150.00
Then beg back the $470 dollars Tax I payed at the boarder.

You guys, and this site have been great.

P.S How dare you call my baby a pig. take it back.

Would you guys think that returning the 51d7000 is a good idea for the panny 50 gt30

For the GT. No. VT. Yes

return the 51d7000 for a 55gt30 would be a better trade. Plus on amazon if thats where you got your set. The 55gt30 is pretty close in price to the 51d7000.

Or even a 60ST30 is right around that price also. 9 more inches of viewing pleasure

And yes, bigger is always better.

The ST30 IS CRAP. There's a reason it sells so cheap

Riiiiight.

That's honestly horrible advice. Going from the D series to an ST30 is a complete down grade.

Im guessing you own a Samsung?

So you can "honestly" say that you would pick a 51D7000 over a 60ST30. I think that 9 more inches is the deal breaker for me. (thats what she said)

LMFAO!!!! CLASSIC!!!! Anyway. Yes. I own a Samsung. As well as a Panasonic. (GT25)

I'm big on picture vs size. It isn't worth the upgrade in size to down scale the picture.

I agree with Juke. I could have gotten the 59D550 for 8 more inches then my 51D7000 but I took one look at the mirror like screen on that D550 and was turned off.

No i hear ya. I wish i could buy a 55vt30 but i need the biggest i can afford sitting 14 ft away so i had to settle with 65gt30. I also realize his question isnt about me so all in all the d7000 is a nice display. I just hope your screen doesnt start to peel like mine.

the photo you posted reads around 38-40 ms of lag.

you should if you can retest it with a higher shutter speed, you took that photo at less than 1/60 or had your refresh set higher than 60hz on the CRT because i can see the scan lines converge for quite a distance. the CRT should be display .124 but is overscanning over what was there in the picture. the Plasma's highest figure displayed was .085

.124 - .085 = 39 ms input lag.

i would retest making sure your at 60hz and you camera is at 1/60 shutter speed (or slightly higher while still keeping the CRT readable)

also take a set of photos say 5-10, toss out any bad ones (blurry etc) and the result should get very consistent within 2-3ms usually with SMTT in my experience

23ms + anywhere from 4-10ms of lag from your PC LCD landing the display around 27-33ms actual lag.

not bad and in line with panny plasmas made the past few years.

Also, I would appreciate if people were to start testing for input lag using both 720p inputs and 1080p inputs, as the comparative input lag between the two modes would be very useful information. I and many others primarily use the PS3 to play games on these TVs, and most people would know by now that most PS3 games are locked at 720p HD resolution. Thus, information on how a pure 1080p signal without scaling would compare in input lag to a 720p signal that goes through the upscale process would be highly useful.

unfortunately, you are doing your test with another small LCD which has it's own input lag. The test results can't be validated unless we test your LCD vs a CRT and add the difference to your 23ms results.

People who get clear cut frames (16/32ms) are mostly using flash based timers that only refresh once per frame. When I tested the S20E with SMTT I got results anywhere between 18-30ms (It probably would have been 16-32 if I counted the pictures that where unclear), when I'm testing LCD's I get very close results that only vary by 3-4ms. I think this can be attributed to the different refresh types of CRT/LCD (top to bottom) and Plasma screens (all at once). In all my tests the highest number was always at the bottom of the plasma screen, whereas it could be found anywhere on screen when looking at the CRT (or LCD for that matter). If you use a flash based timer simply move it to the very bottom of the screen and u will get better results.

I am so close to pulling the trigger on the LG 60pz550, but the numbers listed on the first page, along with a couple of user comments relating to lag has me a little spooked. I have seen a few posts where users responded that they didn't notice much input lag at all. I wish somebody had some follow-up test results for this set with a little better test setup and known variables. I understand the pk550 was touted as being pretty good for gaming, so it is somewhat surprising that the results listed on the first page seem so far off. Not to mention the somewhat inconsistent user opinion feedback. So far, this is the only place I've seen actual numbers.

*Edit* Forgot to mention that I am by no means a serious gamer and don't participate online hardly any at all, so I may not even notice any potential lag. But I do enjoy racing games, such as GT5 and other games where fast reaction can help. I guess the question is: will I notice 1/20th to 1/10th of a second?

I had to return my 60 lgpz950 because input lag was so bad while playing mlb the show if that tells you anything. And now im happily enjoying games on my 65gt30

I remember seeing your post regarding MLB The Show and it certainly caught my attention. If I remember correctly, another member was going to download the demo version and try it on his pz550, but I don't recall seeing a follow-up. Interestingly, I just returned from another browsing trip where I was able to try MLB The Show, but it was on a Sony Bravia. From a simple gamer's perspective, I could not detect any lag what-so-ever. That's not really a very scientific approach though.

I know the gt25 models were regarded highly for their gaming ability. One website rated it the best among plasma models. I saw a really good deal on a 55st30 tonight that peeked my interest.

I'm going to have to make a decision pretty soon. My 6 year old HD CRT died earlier this week. That old thing wasn't fancy, but it did a really good job at gaming. I've been busy enough with research the past several days that I haven't starting experiencing any withdrawal symptoms yet. But the rest of the family is getting antsy without having a TV in the main room. They aren't going to let me wait for much longer.

Thanks Weremy for the feedback. Very much appreciated.


*Edit*
After some more reading, I'm now leaning towards the Panasonic. I can't seem to find enough info to ease my mind concerning lag on the LG models.

Hello all,

I am int h process of buying a plasma. i've heard a discussion about panny st30 vs. d series... i am mostly concerned with input lag so i can play SFIV. Which one of these two would you definitively recommend?

PS. I gather that the GT models create more input lag than the ST series.. is that correct?