Originally Posted by Omnicron
I was poised to buy one of Panasonic's 2012 plasmas, passing the 2011 range (started researching at the end of 2011) to see how the 2012 lot would fair. All sounded good until the updated input lag results from Avforum came through with the input lag testing method http://www.leobodnar.com/products/LagTest/
. I feel unsettled on the results and will not buy a new panel until the dust has settled.
My only concern is playing console games, thus input lag needs to be minimal. I wish the new lag testing devcice would become available so we users could go blitz the stores and report on all response time findings. It has been said that lower end model tvs can have less input lag, the problem here is the review sites typically review the medium to high end models so the lower end get left out and we dont know the input lag.
Currently I game on various crt tvs - scart RGB, hd crt, great pictures, but I feel large screen plasma is the way to go for the hd systems. The input lag dilimma is a deal breaker for me im afraid, Ill be staying with crt until something satisfactory appears or possibly track down a 2011 panny.
Waveboy, youve got me interested in the lower end model like the x5, Im in Australia, we dont have that model, the closest to it would probably be the xt50. The interesting thing with the aussie plasma models is that they all retain the VGA connector, its been said some image processing can be avoided via vga. 16ms plasma woud be great...
If you can I'd maybe seek out last years Panasonic X3(1024x768 is the downside), according to HDTVUk.Com it delivered an impressive 16ms, and that's the UK model of course. They haven't reviewed the X5 yet, but it's always better to try before you buy. Idealy, many gamers would be satisfyed by the 2 frames of lag(or so it seems) with the X5, and while i think it works good enough for digital games, again motion control based titles not so much....It's still playable, but the difference on my CRT is completely night and day
to the point where it depresses me playing motion controls based titles on my plasma, even my 16ms LCD to some extent. XP Whenever i go back to my CRT i'm in heaven, and this is the thing i'd have zero problem switching between plasma when i want to watch movies or CRT for when i want to game, but the problem is as we all know is that CRT's(especially 32" models) weigh as much as a dinosaur, so there's no way i'd want to keep on switching, let alone it takes it much more space. I've got a 20" for my retro consoles, but that's just too small for the Wii imo which would destroy that immersion factor for many titles such as metroid prime 3 ect ect. Plus it doesn't support component only composite.
And the thing is as you know, the Wii U is hitting which will be 720p, support 'true' 16:9/Widescreen(instead of the Wii's lousy anamorphic widescreen, wii games should be played in 4:3 which gives you the real 640x480 resolution and a super crisp/clear image) and HDMI. So to opt for a 32" Tube CRT and to 'miss' out on all of thosewonderful things would kill me. But really, it's ABOUT the 'gameplay' if a game is crippled with lag it knocks down the intuitive and fun factor. dishing out an experience that's far less great than what it could of been and overall gives you a false impression of what the game 'really' controls like which is why 16ms should be the standard for input lag and no more...As for my Panny' the X5's color gamut is amazing, the black levels are very good and the brightness for a plasma is just wonderful(not as bright as an LCD, but brighter than most 2000' Tube Tv's when set in 'Game Mode') but agh....those 2 frames of lag and the auto dimming. eek! I've also noticed that LG Plasmas fair a bit better in the motion handeling department in comparison to Panasonic plasma's. I haven't seen the higher end Panasonic plasma's that support the 2600hz, but their600hz sets still introduce a bit of blur, with minor motion artifcats(like every other plasma).
Anyways, on Game Mode, through 'analog/component' directly plugged into the TV, with Noise reduction set to 'off', Color management set to 'off', color spectrum set to 'HD' no matter what the content is(even 480p, Color spectrum set to 'SD' will introduce more lag) you will get about 2 frames of input lag at least on the US model. Not too sure about an HDMI connection, i'll know soon enough when my Neoya Wii adapter comes in the mail. B-) also 480i conent takes a hit, and the input lag is increased....So don't play any of your older consoles like the NES,SNES Genesis or even the PS2(most games are 480i) other wise you'll be dissapointed.But ya...I want to get a 50" 1080p 3D plasma just before the Wii U hits but sad to say the 2012 panasonic models seem to be a dissapointment. The UK models ST50/UT50 were rewarded with 16ms...But the testing is all different and those are UK models. I'd hate to opt for a Samsung, IF they even have 16ms-20ms sets. I wish there was a device that would destroy input lag all together. There 'are' devices such as the DVDO Green Edge(goes for $499) that reduces input lag down to 6ms or knocks down 3 frames of lag(which is ALOT) for 'SD' content via an analogue connection. HDMI and VGA don't apply sad to say. So this device would be perfect for retro consoles, but i personally don't care for that. As i want the nostalgia of playing on a smaller Tube TV with my retro consoles, plus they're cheap as chips! nobody wants them anymore except us retro gamers haha. B-)
And 'another' thing which can be a bit of an annoyance is that video games that run in 30 frames per second on an HDTV introduce motion doubleing, basically when you pan the camera around you'll see it.
It's a bit of a nasty effect that LCD/LED's hide due to their crappy motion smearing effect. But since plasma's fair much better in the motion handeling department it's easily noticable.I spent years waiting for this HD epidemic to finally end, yet it's still continueing and getting worse becausemany of these sets are doing even 'more' proccessing.... But again, i can't see myself gaming on a CRT for the Wii U. I want a 50" set, running in 720p/1080p via HDMI to get a grander, striking, engrossing and amazing 'visual' experience. XP Edited by WaveBoy - 7/16/12 at 8:01am