The Official Plasma Input Lag Thread. - Page 16

Just wanted to say that after a lot of research I decided to say "screw the numbers" and bought the 42UT50.

Honestly...I'm happy with the purchase. Not only the picture quality is great, everything I could do on my old Pana LCD (which supposedly has 1 frame of lag) I can do on this TV, no adjustment needed. I play fighting games, which are heavily affected by lag, and I can pull off my combos just fine, UMvC3, Tekken 6, KOF XIII, whatever.

Bottomline: yes I recommend this TV for gaming. But if you can test it beforehand, please do so. JUST DON'T PLAY WITH IFC TURNED ON or you're gonna be in lag hell (game mode disables IFC by default anyway).

UNFORTUNATELY...plasma TVs simply were not made for 30 fps games. I was playing Final Fantasy XIII and had to switch to non-game mode and put IFC on maximum because I find the ghosting in 30 fps games to be unbearable. When you pan the camera around EVERYTHING gets a double image, it's just awful, so consider yourself warned. Games like FF XIII are not affected by input lag so I could play it just fine with IFC turned on.

And finally...I read somewhere that the same TV models may have different input lag depending on the region. So it's possible that the american model has more lag than the european model. I'm in Brazil, and our model, based on the menu options, is the european one.

Good luck to you guys.

You get the same amount of frame doubleing on any LCD or LED when playing a 30fps video game, you just don't notice
it because the terrible motion smearing/resolution hides it! lol XP
And no wonder, you have the uero model wich does 16ms of lag and doesn't have
a soft image when playing 720p or 480p content. The UK model seems like the perfect plasma to game on.
At times like, i wish i lived in Australia. XP Instead i'm settling for last years S30.

this thread has slowed down of late, theres another thread of similar nature -

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428231/gaming-plasma-fighting-games-mvc2-umvc3-sf4

The thing people should see is this video comparison of input lag between an old standard def tv, st50 & E6500, check out the thread for more info...




Edited by Omnicron - 10/10/12 at 9:36pm

So i just bough last week A tC-50UT50 . This tv is awesome for the quality of images from hd! I love watching anything on this set looks so natural and colors are beautifull. I had a BRavia KDL EX 500 and I just realized that that tv was nothing compared to this panasonic. Only problem i have is that i chose this tv for gaming and i feel there is some imput lag even on game mode. I tried to use a component cable and set my ps3 to s video , or s cart to compare. I noticed it was better and surprisingly the graphics at 480i were the same as with my hdmi at 1080p!!! I don't understand why however. I was wondering if there is any solution to lower the lag . My old Bravia KDL ex500 was even laggier so I'm happy i upgraded there. I wanted however to find a perfect tv for gaming and the Samsung E550 at pc imput seems to fit that need. I have the american Panasonic model and the lag might be around 40ms. In Fifa for exemple turning is noticably slower than on S video 480p. I can compete however in fighers games and the colors are really impressive so I don't know if I should sacrifice this and go with Samsung ...

If there is a solution for this please explain, also please explain to me why are the graphics the same from 1080 p hdmi to 480 i S video or standard NtSC?

I believe the crt used in the video is a standard def tv, in cottonballs post he says hes replacing his HD sony at home, whereas the sd tv is "For a baseline comparison I shot video of an old standard def TV I had lying around the house hooked up with RCA cables"

However I do think it is likely that there are HD crt tvs that introduce lag. I have tested sd and hd crts for input lag, albeit with rock band 3's video lag test. The hd tvs performed well compared to the sd tvs using component signals, but using composite/yellow rca plug on the HD models,the lag really started to climb. You can check out my testing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buFcMXG6208&feature=channel&list=UL

No worries, very easy to do

Bah, I'm so annoyed right now. The 50" S30 i planned on getting online isn't happening. The seller made a mistake and does NOT ship to Canada. sigh* So now I'm going
to see if BestBuy, FutureShop or Visions(Can't stand that place.lol)have any of last years stock, specificly the 50" S30. There's no way in hell I'm settling for this years U50 or UT50. If my X5
is any indication which it should be, as it does the least amount of processing for this years Panny plasma lineup than i'll be dissapointed. 2 frames/32ms doesn't cut it...Especially for motion controls.
I'd rather just stick with my Tube SDTV until i find an S30 and that's that.

I fear that the 2013 panasonic plasmas will be no better in terms of lag than this years models. Companies
just don't seem to care, all they care about is producing the best picture possible.

Seeing as this forum has been helpful in my decision to get the Panasonic TX-P42UT50B (which has just arrived) I will update you guys later on the input lag scenario once I have played around with it. I have the UK version though so it may vary to American models

The UK version isn't plagued with the soft effect when playing 480p or 720p content and is supposed to to 1 frame/16ms. Lucky you.
The NA panel is pretty bogus.

Heres a google translation of Dutch webpage that has reviewed the st50 recently, remembering that the model is most likely not the US one.

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://tweakers.net/reviews/2735/5/viera-st50-voor-een-dubbeltje-op-de-eerste-rij-beeldeigenschappen.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dst50%2Binput%2Blag%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3D1%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D598%26tbs%3Dqdr:w%26prmd%3Dimvnsfd&sa=X&ei=dXJ-UISxFs2RiQextoCoAg&ved=0CFwQ7gEwBA

These guys are using SMTT 2.0 software to test lag.

Quote "It comes with the ST50 to about 37ms. This is higher than we expected, even though it is not much wrong with 35ms of the majority of TVs. The TV is fast enough for games, but there are TVs that show a lower input lag."

I'M playing Playstation Allstars and other fighters like Soul Calibur and really can't see any lag i plugged my ps3 in my old CRt tv and the difference was so minimal that it's not even worth a thread..or a concern...

I have been searching high and low for months and another thread with 2012 models tested but that is the only one I can find. I am just desperate to find out which Panny Plasma is going to have the lowest input lag (with no HDMI because my Xbox doesn't even have it so component only)

Finally! My tedious never ending search is over. I've finally found a 60" S30(Actually it's an S34, whatever same thing i'm assuming)
I'll be picking it up in a couple of days!

The NA S30 and ST30 are regarded as the best Panny plasmas to game on since they deliver 1-2 frames of input lag and it's been
compared to the LG LD450(which i previously owned) which is known to only produce 1 frame/16ms of lag. And i have a giant feeling 'to get' that one
frame on the S30/S34 is to use component cables instead of HDMI which generally always produces more lag.

Pretty stoked! I expected to get a 50", but a 60"? This is going to be amazing for the Wii U & Wii, AND my mad obsession for 80's/70's
horror movies. XD And no glare filtre either, so that means a brighter, more colorful and crisper/clearer picture.

Hi all,I'm in the same boat.looking to buy a new tv just for gaming!! I live in the uk. I'm going from a 50st30b panny,it's amazing for gaming hdtvtest gave it 16ms lag,not sure if thats true as the new Leo bodnar test mite show to be more like 31ms now??? Not sure??? But it was good for me and I only play cod games.whats the st50 like for gaming e.g input lag???? Or the 60s30 input lag??? Being in the uk I'm hoping very low 1/2 frames lag!!!

Hi all,I'm in the same boat.looking to buy a new tv just for gaming!! I live in the uk. I'm going from a 50st30b panny,it's amazing for gaming hdtvtest gave it 16ms lag,not sure if thats true as the new Leo bodnar test mite show to be more like 31ms now??? Not sure??? But it was good for me and I only play cod games.whats the st50 like for gaming e.g input lag???? Or the 60s30 input lag??? Being in the uk I'm hoping very low 1/2 frames lag!!!

Sadly this seems to be the case. The new tool is being used to go back and test all of last year's models and the ST30 is almost half as fast as the ST50 and it almost doesn't matter what mode it is in!!! That is madness. The new TVs are getting worse!!

Now what? Buy an ST30 at the same price as an ST50 just to get the right input lag? My cousin owns one an swears by it.

How fast is the st30 now with the new test?? I'd like a list of all last years tvs with new input lag results on would be good

i tested the 51" samsung e6500 (PN51E6500) at frys yesterday. I can confirm the "pc hdmi" trick does reduce lag compared to other modes (including game!). I measured pc mode at 16ms. I recorded video at 60fps using 2 tests with a laptop, then i did the street fighter 4 test as well. EVERY mode other than pc seems to increase input lag- somewhere around 3-5x as much in some cases. I had a ton of video to post here to prove this but my iphone broke when i got home and i have no access to the footage.

If you're in the market for a 16ms display and you dont want to risk buying a tv sight unseen online this series is worth considering.



edit: I corrected the model
Edited by spectrexcwk - 11/23/12 at 7:05pm

That was either a Samsung or you got confused by the shelf tags at Frys. Panasonic doesn't make a 51' set, nor is "E6500" a Panny model number. If the set you were testing said "Panasonic" on the bezel it wasn't a "51" ES6500."

i meant samsung - specifically the PN51E6500. i'll edit the post to avoid confusion

Never mind, found the thread.
Edited by Gabriel Macys - 11/24/12 at 12:12am

What is the verdict on the Samsung Plasma E7000? I own this TV and can set it to PC mode. Is it the same input lag as the E6500?

bump with a link attached...

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64e8000-201210292316.htm?page=Performance

This article talks about console gaming with PC mode on E8000 and it gets 31ms. Not sure if E7000 would be the same or less. I'm hoping it could be like the e6500 that supposedly can do 16ms.

Seems I didn't do the appropriate research. I was under the impression that a plasma essentially had no input delay.

What the hell is the point of a plasma? These things consume more power, generate more heat, are generally heavier, have lesser picture quality vs an LCD, in addition can potentially be completely ruined by burn in or temporarily inconvenienced by IR. All this in an attempt to have deeper blacks, which LCD/LED tech is virtually there. The only major plus is the price, however all things considered it doesn't seem like much of a good deal.

With regard to PQ vs LCD, a plasma (at least my GT50) looks like trash compared to my 4 yo Samsung LN52A750. Sure, if I back away everything is smoother but that does not equal quality. As in another post, if you back far enough away from a dirty car, it can look like a freshly polished and waxed beauty.

Even with deeper blacks, these dark scenes look like crap because of this snowy effect (apparently in all plasmas). It looks like channel snow behind the actual image and is distracting.

/rant

I finally got my 60" Panasonic 'S30' 2011 1080p Plasma 2 days ago! And guess what? the 1 frame/16ms IS true when using component cables. It performs identicle
to my LG LD450/LK450 in terms of input lag performance. Using HDMI raises the lag a little bit but it still performs MUCH better than any of the 2012 Panasonic plasma's from this year
even when THOSE are using component. My 2012 X5 is such a dissapointment for gaming.... I'm so glad the S30 met my expectations. It also whipes the floor with the X5 when it comes to black levels(as expected since
it has a infinite neo panel) and the auto dimming is not as has harsh. The X5 had a ridiculous amount of nasty
noise going on when watching DVD's outside of cinema mode to the point where it looked
completely artifical at times....The S30 doesn't have this problem in standard mode once you fiddle
with the settings. B-)

If anything, the X5, U50 and UT50 from this year are a bit better in the brightness and the color department. The color gamet is a bit wider and more colorful and the brightness is also
a bit noticably different.

It's too bad this years U50/UT50 have poor 480p/720p scaling which results in a soft image and most importantly the lousy input lag. Looks like I'm stuck with the S30 unless
Panny's 2013 U70 or UT70 do 1 frame of lag....which i highly doubt is going to happen.

The 60 inches is also pretty amazing, especially for movies. BUT i think i would of been a smidge more satisfyed had i went with 50" that extra 10" makes certain games appear
not quite as crisp at least when it comes to 480p material. 720p looks great and 1080p
of course looks even better.

I've also been playing around with my friends Panny' G25 from 2010 and even IT with an anti glare filtre suprisingly has a bit of a wider color gamut than my S30. The Color on the S30 is great,
but it's not quite on par as the other models i mentioned if you want those Super colorful vibrant colors. I would of went with the 50" model, but only the 60" was available on craigs list, and i got it for $850 CAD and it's in fantastic
condition. So there weren't exactly a lot of options, and i just got my Wii U so i had to take the plunge!

Where are you located and do you want to sell that piece of junk GT50 cheap?

He completely forget to mention that PLasma's also produce 'MUCH' better
motion resolution. LED and LCD's motion is just unecceptable. Blur, smearing,
the works it's the main reason why I'll never purchase an LED/LCD EVER again.
Sure you can get expensive LED's with good black levels, but they still
suffer from that dreaded blur which gives me an absolute headache
especially for gaming and destroys the look of film. not only that but there could also
be screen clouding, back light or edge bleeding.

If you can manage to snag an IPS-Alpha panel LED/LCD than ya the blur is
improved by a bit, but as is it's extremely lousy.

Plasma's typically rock much deeper blacks/contrast and far superior motion.
Those are the only 2 reasons why i favor plasma. They are after all the closest
thing to those old school CRT Tube TV's. If anything, i absolutely love
the brightness that an LCD/LED can produce, plus they don't have auto dimming,
no IR or potential burn in and produce a bit of a cleaner image.

Super OLED will put an end to all 3 of these flawed technologies.