Originally Posted by theaero
So I've read through this entire thread and am still confused.
What plasmas deliver 16ms or less?
Using the older (standard) measuring system, the safest bet seems to be the Samsung PS51E6500 or PS60E6500 regards modern day plasmas are concerned. Don't know if it's only the UK models or not. I'm in the UK so I've just ordered the 51" version which at £665 is surely the greatest bang for your buck TV available. It's the end of season line in production so if you can source one it's a safe bet.
Everyone is going brightly lit showroom friendly LED crazy so it's a good time to pick up a decent/cheap Plasma.
The Panasonic TX-P50ST50B would also be a fairly safe bet especially if you value blacks & want a 50" for good value.
As soon as you jump up to 60" then the 60" Samsung is the most recommended overall.
The Samsungs also have the best Smart TV functionality & arguably slightly better Active 3D performance as well. Hope this info helps, I've been researching it solid (with input lag being my primary concern) & these have been my findings.
This was a key review amongst the ones I found online:-
In particular when they said:-
"Console GamingAlthough the PS60E6500 has a dedicated “Game Mode” buried in the menu, ignore it. When a 60hz signal is input, there’s a semi-hidden “PC” mode which has even lower input lag, owed to the fact that it takes RGB video from the video game console, and sends it straight to the panel for display. Accordingly, nearly all of the video processing features are disabled. Because this mode works with RGB, [Colour] is locked out (because there’s no use for this control in RGB mode), as is [Colour Space]. You can still use 2-point Greyscale correction, though.
It’s accessed by pressing the SOURCE button, highlighting the HDMI input that your games console is connected to, pressing TOOLS, and changing the label to “PC”. In this setup, input lag was only 16ms compared to a CRT display, making the Samsung PS60E6500 one of the fastest TVs for gaming we’ve tested. Couple this with an uncanny ability to avoid image retention, coupled with the usual picture quality and motion clarity inherent to Plasma technology, and we’re left with a video gamer’s dream.
The input labelling trick works with all of the HDMI inputs, not just HDMI1 as was the case with some older Samsung plasmas. If you run all of your devices through an AV receiver into a single TV input, for convenience’s sake, it’s best to connect the console directly to one of the TV’s three HDMI inputs, to avoid the “PC mode” becoming active with non-gaming 60hz signals such as US DVDs or Blu-ray material that isn’t 24p. (You should do this anyway, in case your receiver is adding input lag)."
They also awarded the 60" (with its Panasonic like blacks) their TV of the year. The above ST50 Panasonic was the clear readers choice but Panasonic had already established themselves as the 'go-to' for Plasmas. This is said to be the year where Samsung has caught up with them & beyond the Black levels factor, pretty much the Samsung had the edge in every other regard.
The 60" version is over twice the price here in the UK compared to the already sizable 51". I've heard some say that the bigger the set you get the more potential lag. Coupled with the increase in cost & the fact that the 60" would probably be a little too big for my (average) living room size, I decided I would be best to stick to the 51" for most reasons, even if money hadn't been a factor. I'm sure it's 'Real Black Filter' levels will still be a vast improvement over my old 42" Hitachi standard Def Plasma that it's replacing, & for most people who aren't used to the best of Panasonic's levels of black.
Anyway good luck, it is a bit of a minefield & confusing headf**k. I can't remember even thinking of Input-Lag when I last bought my old Plasma!!
ps. I believe the US version is called PN51/60E6500
http://m.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-pn51e6500/35159639Edited by demonear - 1/6/13 at 3:43am