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post #721 of 785
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Originally Posted by Braehole View Post

I'm afraid of burn in on long gaming sessions with the plasmas so I'm going to get a LCD. I'm I wrong? I gaming for 6-8 a night some times and dont want to burn in a 4k plama! eek.gif

You need to get a life and enjoy the real world. There are no 4K plasmas. Seriously if you game that much you are better off with LCD.
post #722 of 785
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

AS some one pointed to me, each game might be different as far as burn in. For example if you die a lot, the HUD goes away.

There is a lot of info here in the plasma section. It's obvious you are new to this section. Peruse it and you will find a lot of helpful info.

It is unclear what you are looking for in a TV.

The 65" 34ms of input lag Panasonic S60 is $1288 on Amazon.

Those sites you listed have been discussed in this thread and others. Cnet is also going to start giving input lag figures with their reviews.

Good luck.
I've been researching the crap out of the plasma's and picked a plasma before changing my mind to a LCD.
I want a 60 to 80 inch TV with under 20ms of input lag. If there's any chance off burn in then I'm not going to chance it. I'm a pretty hard core twitch gamer so LCD it is for now. I want a 70 or 80 inch LCD under 20ms. Now I just have to wait for one to be tested that can give me what I'm looking for.

With the new consoles coming towards the end of the year, marketing low input lag TVs and their gaming advantages could be a smart opportunity for a savvy TV manufacturer John4721 said also.
post #723 of 785
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

You need to get a life and enjoy the real world. There are no 4K plasmas. Seriously if you game that much you are better off with LCD.
I was talking about a 4 THOUSAND dollar TV not a 4k sorry and I have a very active life but thank for caring so much. wink.gif and that's what I was thinking, I have to go LCD smile.gif
post #724 of 785
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Originally Posted by Braehole View Post

I've been researching the crap out of the plasma's and picked a plasma before changing my mind to a LCD.
I want a 60 to 80 inch TV with under 20ms of input lag. If there's any chance off burn in then I'm not going to chance it. I'm a pretty hard core twitch gamer so LCD it is for now. I want a 70 or 80 inch LCD under 20ms. Now I just have to wait for one to be tested that can give me what I'm looking for.

With the new consoles coming towards the end of the year, marketing low input lag TVs and their gaming advantages could be a smart opportunity for a savvy TV manufacturer John4721 said also.

If you can afford it you'd probably be better off with the Sony LED W802A(Has ONLY 16ms of input lag) or even better the Sony 905A.(PQ wise) which has only 19ms of lag. Both under 20ms.

Sony 1080p 55"(only size available) KDL- W900A
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w900a/4505-6482_7-35561946.html

Sony 1080p KDL-W802A. The colors, black levels, picture processing and uniformity are superior on the 900A, which costs $1000 more. eek!
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-47w802a/4505-6482_7-35661317.html


I myself am really worried about the S60's aggressive ABL(unless it can somehow be disabled).....And i know that deep down 34ms most likely isn't going to cut it for me(even the 32ms via hdmi on my S30 annoys me for the majority of games i play which are 2D platformers) It makes the games less intuitive and most importantly not as fun....especially when i feel the difference on my lag free CRT.... i hate having this added weight and not 'on the dime' gaming experience. I'd probably resort back to my good ol' Tube TV and use the S60 strictly for movies, which it would be absolutely amazing for...But at the same time I'd be completely dissapointed because then i'd be missing out on the Wii U's HD, progressive scan, HD, widescreen fit and giant 55" Screen and it's superior black levels Vs my CRT's.

But yup, the Sony 55" 900A is wayyy too expensive, $3000 CAD....Apparently the blacks aren't quite as good as the S60's and the same goes for motion handeling, with some nasty potential back light bleeding. BUT....the upsides? 19ms of input lag, Super bright picture, NO ABL, far less glare, pure whites, no IR, No burn in, A cleaner picture, gives off less heat, and again doesn't reflect like a mirror in a bright room. But that pesky inferior LCD/LED motion and the crazy hefty-high price tag would completely rape my wallet and beyond.
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/19/13 at 12:10am
post #725 of 785
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

If you can afford it you'd probably be better off with the Sony LED W802A(Has ONLY 16ms of input lag) or even better the Sony 905A.(PQ wise) which has only 19ms of lag. Both under 20ms.

Sony 1080p 55"(only size available) KDL- W900A
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-55w900a/4505-6482_7-35561946.html

Sony 1080p KDL-W802A. The colors, black levels, picture processing and uniformity are superior on the 900A, which costs $1000 more. eek!
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-47w802a/4505-6482_7-35661317.html


I myself am really worried about the S60's aggressive ABL(unless it can somehow be disabled).....And i know that deep down 34ms most likely isn't going to cut it for me(even the 32ms via hdmi on my S30 annoys me for the majority of games i play which are 2D platformers) It makes the games less intuitive and most importantly not as fun....especially when i feel the difference on my lag free CRT.... i hate having this added weight and not 'on the dime' gaming experience. I'd probably resort back to my good ol' Tube TV and use the S60 strictly for movies, which it would be absolutely amazing for...But at the same time I'd be completely dissapointed because then i'd be missing out on the Wii U's HD, progressive scan, HD, widescreen fit and giant 55" Screen and it's superior black levels Vs my CRT's.

But yup, the Sony 55" 900A is wayyy too expensive, $3000 CAD....Apparently the blacks aren't quite as good as the S60's and the same goes for motion handeling, with some nasty potential back light bleeding. BUT....the upsides? 19ms of input lag, Super bright picture, NO ABL, far less glare, pure whites, no IR, No burn in, A cleaner picture, gives off less heat, and again doesn't reflect like a mirror in a bright room. But that pesky inferior LCD/LED motion and the crazy hefty-high price tag would completely rape my wallet and beyond.

The 900A is 2300 on amazon now. smile.gifhttp://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-55W900A-55-Inch-240Hz-Internet/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374217957&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+kdl+w900a

I'm thinking I'm going to pick up the 900A until someone makes a fast bigger TV and then put the 55 inch in the bedroom.

I thought about having two TV's in the living room, one for gaming and one for movies but that would be silly....lol
post #726 of 785
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Originally Posted by Braehole View Post

The 900A is 2300 on amazon now. smile.gifhttp://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-55W900A-55-Inch-240Hz-Internet/dp/B00AWKBZ0M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374217957&sr=1-1&keywords=sony+kdl+w900a

I'm thinking I'm going to pick up the 900A until someone makes a fast bigger TV and then put the 55 inch in the bedroom.

I thought about having two TV's in the living room, one for gaming and one for movies but that would be silly....lol

lol I live in Canada, and it's not even available on Amazon.ca. Yet on Future shop and BB, it's going for $2999.....Completely out of my price range. rolleyes.giftongue.gif
motion blur(yuck), clouding, viewing angles and blooming seems to be the weak points and the ridiculous price tag. And haha, i've actually been in the same situation as you...Actually i still am!
I game(NES,SNES,Wii) and watch DVD's + VHS tapes on my 27" CRT, and watch bluray movies on my 60" Plasma. Having them side by side would be silly, so i have my 60" in the living room and my 27" in my bedroom. I've been in that spot before though, where i wanted to use my previous plasma for movies and my 1 frame capable LCD for gaming, but the LCD's motion blur and craptastic medicore black levels, back light bleeding and annoying clouding in the corners of the screen eventually got the best of me. I just want to replace my current junky S30, and i know i'm going to end up pullin the trigger on the 55" S60.
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/19/13 at 3:31am
post #727 of 785
Why not buy the S60 for TV/movies/casual games and then keep a sub $200 24" LCD nearby with sub 10ms input lag for your platform games?
post #728 of 785
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

Why not buy the S60 for TV/movies/casual games and then keep a sub $200 24" LCD nearby with sub 10ms input lag for your platform games?

24"? Too small. I was looking into 55" :P
Ultimately, the BLUR gets with me with LCD/LED technology and the ABL of a PLASMA 'if' agressive when gaming completely turns me off. The day a Samsung 55" OLED gets knocked down to $2999 is the day i'll finally be satisfyed. tongue.gif Anyways, as for these monitors.....Don't they have terrrible scalers? Along with black levels?....
post #729 of 785
does the PC naming trick only work for Samsung F8500 or does it work for Panasonic VT as well?
post #730 of 785
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

24"? Too small. I was looking into 55" :P
Ultimately, the BLUR gets with me with LCD/LED technology and the ABL of a PLASMA 'if' agressive when gaming completely turns me off. The day a Samsung 55" OLED gets knocked down to $2999 is the day i'll finally be satisfyed. tongue.gif Anyways, as for these monitors.....Don't they have terrrible scalers? Along with black levels?....
I meant a monitor for your platform games and a separate large plasma for everything else.

As far as black levels go on most of today's monitors, they're pretty good for LCD. Certainty good enough for platform games, unless for some odd reason you demand crt-like blacks on 2D scrollers. Motion handling is also good on the 2ms panels with a good implementation of LCD overdrive technology. The scalers are certainly the weakest point in monitors, although the 360 has it's own internal scaler. I'm not sure which console you're playing platformers on.
post #731 of 785
I've actually never noticed the ABL on my S64.
post #732 of 785
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Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post

I meant a monitor for your platform games and a separate large plasma for everything else.

As far as black levels go on most of today's monitors, they're pretty good for LCD. Certainty good enough for platform games, unless for some odd reason you demand crt-like blacks on 2D scrollers. Motion handling is also good on the 2ms panels with a good implementation of LCD overdrive technology. The scalers are certainly the weakest point in monitors, although the 360 has it's own internal scaler. I'm not sure which console you're playing platformers on.

Deep down i know I'll be absolutely bummed playing the Wii U(only) on a 27" monitor, to make things worse most Wii U games will be 720p native and i know that these 1080p monitors have junky scalers, so the upscale to 1080p will no doubt result in a dissapointing picture. I also want CRT-like blacks(The S60 has got that covered) and plasma-like motion. I think when it comes down to it it's really either the S60 or the Sony W900A for moi....
I could get the 55" S60 next week, or i could wait 2-3 months to save up the cash and get the 55" W900A....it's really just a matter of adjusting to the W900's motion blur, or adjusting to the S60's auto dimming. Either way, the Sony LED has that impressive 19ms of lag Vs the S60's 34.
post #733 of 785
Waveboy, didn't you say that your S30 got dim after about 10 minutes of turning on? And stayed that way? I don't think it's supposed to do that, right? It should just auto-dim when a scene gets too bright and then revert back.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I've kind of felt that my LCD has been TOO bright lately. I'm wondering if I wouldn't appreciate something a little easier on the eyes.

I certainly don't notice ABL on my parents' plasma, but it's from years ago, so maybe the contrast on it is shot anyway (so I wouldn't be able to notice).
post #734 of 785
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Originally Posted by PogueSquadron View Post

Waveboy, didn't you say that your S30 got dim after about 10 minutes of turning on? And stayed that way? I don't think it's supposed to do that, right? It should just auto-dim when a scene gets too bright and then revert back.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I've kind of felt that my LCD has been TOO bright lately. I'm wondering if I wouldn't appreciate something a little easier on the eyes.

I certainly don't notice ABL on my parents' plasma, but it's from years ago, so maybe the contrast on it is shot anyway (so I wouldn't be able to notice).

The ABL is pretty subtle on my S30, much more so than my X5 which is extremely noticeable when it rears it's ugly head.....And when it does, it completely sucks the life out of the color and brightness.
I'd love to actually have a stable picture....You know, like back in the day when CRT's were the norm, where TV's also didn't have an issue with motion blur like they do with every single LCD/LED HDTV imaginable.lol what is with these annoying stupid trade offs? Panasonic needs to come out with a firmware update to OFF ABL all together, it's the ultimate draw back of plasma technology, especiallly when it's as aggressive as this.
post #735 of 785
Sry for derailing this (we could take into the ABL thread or S60 thread), but I believe the ABL Is what keeps plasma from literally melting. I think it's just that some plasmas are worse with it. Perhaps after a full calibration, the ABL on the S60 won't be that noticeable (I imagine its mostly noticeable on torch mode).
post #736 of 785
You are probably right about torch mode I'm guessing.

Since you guys keep mentioning it I am going to have to post this here too.

Have you guys heard about lightboost?...http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost/

I am trying to research all things computers in the hopes of building one for the first time, and I happened upon it. Supposedly some people really like lightboost saying it is just like CRT of days past.
post #737 of 785
Has anyone done a proper lag test on the 2013 Samsung Plasma sets while in Game mode? I know a lot of people test on PC mode since it gives the lowest lag, but I can't stand the lack of picture controls. Does Game mode really have that much more lag than PC mode?
post #738 of 785
David K from Cnet mentioned in his video review for the Samsung 8500 plasma that it can get almost as bright as an LED screen....eek.gif coupled with it's fantastic blacks, less aggressive ABL(Vs the S60's...)amazing color and array of picture controls THIS set for moi would of been a match made in heaven....But oh looky, it has over 50ms of input lag. thanks for the massive deal breaker samsung! Even if it had that PC labeling 16ms trick i still wouldn't get it as it locks out so many picture controls.

As far as Plasma's go for 2013, our only solid choice for gaming is to go for the S60, or if you're willing to put up with the pesky motion blur and weaker blacks of the 19ms capable ultra bright yet Way too expensive Sony W900A LED. tongue.gif I'm probably going to fall back on the S60, and pull the trigger at the end of the month. When it comes down to it, i wouldn't beable to put up with that unacceptable LED motion blur(even if you enabled 'impluse' to get get better motion it knocks down the brightness, introduces flicker and bumps up the input lag to 30ms....Not worth the trade offs imo) for movies and 'most' videogames unless that particular game is moving at a snails pace.
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/21/13 at 6:17pm
post #739 of 785
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

You are probably right about torch mode I'm guessing.

Since you guys keep mentioning it I am going to have to post this here too.

Have you guys heard about lightboost?...http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost/

I am trying to research all things computers in the hopes of building one for the first time, and I happened upon it. Supposedly some people really like lightboost saying it is just like CRT of days past.

The short version is that lightboost is a strobing backlight system which was designed for 3D gaming to increase brightness during the "open" time of each lense of the glasses. Users quickly figured out how to enable this backlight strobe without outputting 3D from the PC, which happens to result in a 120hz strobing backlight that's perfectly timed to the panel frame refreshes.

In practice this means that your eyes only see each frame for about 1.4ms (on the better lightboost monitors). This not only hides the LCD pixel transition, it gets rid of the "sample and hold" effect that's responsible for the perception of blurred motion. The result is that you end up with potentially cleaner motion than CRT, because even CRTs had to scan top to bottom while lightboost displays can simply flash the whole complete frame. I have one myself and can confirm that it really is that effective.

Now the negative points.
First, this is unsupported usage of lightboost. That doesn't mean it's a concern for the hardware, it simply means that 3rd party software is required to turn lightboost on and off. This is because nVidia still markets the feature as only for 3D, and does not allow it to be turned on unless you are in "3D Vision" mode.

Second, the color quality on most lightboost monitors at the moment isn't great. They're super fast TN panels with near 1ms GTG response time that run at 120hz, but the side effect of all of that is relatively poor color accuracy and black levels. Additionally, when you actually turn lightboost on the color accuracy and black levels take another hit. Basically it's not a great choice if actual picture quality is the top thing on your list (you're in the plasma forum so I assume you're considering plasma, which would have a totally different level of color and black quality).

Third, and most importantly, you will need to be able to run the games you want to play with lightboost on at a minimum of 120 fps. Because the strobing operates at 120 hz anything lower than 120 fps will result in pretty serious judder (more or less like playing a 30fps game on 60hz plasma). If you drop below 120 fps and start to get judder it basically wipes out the motion advantages, so you really want to make sure you have the GPU power to maintain 120 fps in the games you want to play.

There's way more detailed info in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1433254/lcd-motion-blur-eye-tracking-now-dominant-cause-of-motion-blur-not-pixel-persistence
post #740 of 785
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Has anyone done a proper lag test on the 2013 Samsung Plasma sets while in Game mode? I know a lot of people test on PC mode since it gives the lowest lag, but I can't stand the lack of picture controls. Does Game mode really have that much more lag than PC mode?

Cnet scored the Samsung 8500 with 53.1ms with the Leo Bagner lag tester. The 5500 & 5300 for some odd ball reason haven't been tested yet. Then there's the low end 720p model...If anybody actually cares. tongue.gif I have a feeling they won't beable to match the S60's 34ms.

Anyways, I've decided that i'm officially getting the 55" S60, screw the ABL and i'll just learn to deal with the 34ms of lag. No set is perfect(well, unless you're OLED. wink*) and i need to learn to stop being so ridiculously picky otherwise i won't buy anything. hell, i haven't even unboxed my Wii U yet since i've been holding off on the right HDTV(the S30 aint it, as it's crippled with PQ problems, effed up gamma with zero controls, terrible pink push, red push, green push, and colors aren't saturated enough. Besides, via HDMI the S30 does 32ms, where as the S60 does 34...it's only 2ms more so the S30 is no longer the ultimate panasonic to game on unless you opt for component to get that 16ms, but the PQ doesn't look as good....it seems less colorful, softer and dimmer) and this no doubt will be it. the W900A may dish out 19ms of lag, but the motion blur will destroy my movie experiences(just like my previous two LCD's) and the black while good aren't aren't up to snuff vs the S60's.

I'll throw down my gaming impressions once i order the 55" at the end of this week! cool.gif Gonna do a comparison vs the S30 before i let it go for $600.
Heck, the 2012 X5 already smokes my S30 in brightness, plus the color gamut is a lot wider, richer and far more saturated. it was a big step up when playing the wii, to the point where i couldn't even go back my S30...it looked 'that' bad with it's dim picture and lousy bland colors, aside from having better blacks and slightly better motion.
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/21/13 at 11:55pm
post #741 of 785
The Sony sets have a impulse mode that adds flicker and reduces blur, it works in game mode and adds about one frame of lag. You could look into that.
post #742 of 785
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The Sony sets have a impulse mode that adds flicker and reduces blur, it works in game mode and adds about one frame of lag. You could look into that.
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The Sony sets have a impulse mode that adds flicker and reduces blur, it works in game mode and adds about one frame of lag. You could look into that.

"If you seek better motion clarity, you can opt to engage the only [Motionflow] setting available in [Game Mode], namely “Impulse“. On our review sample, this raised the Leo Bodnar lag tester result to 30ms, which is still superb by all accounts. That said, [Motionflow] “Impulse” in [Game Mode] appeared to exhibit more flicker than in [Cinema 1] mode, and there’s always the drastic drop in brightness – we didn’t think it was worth the tradeoff."

with a significant drop in brightness and 30ms of lag, i might as well be gaming on the S60, plus it's got much better blacks. tongue.gif
BTW, i take it you're a fan of mega man? I'm a huge fan of the 'Classic' series, have been since the original back on the NES when i played it back in 89'cool.gif 2 & 9 are the cream of the crop imo.

But yeah, just out of curiosity does impulse mode improve motion handeling to the standard of lets say the S60?
Edited by WaveBoy - 7/22/13 at 10:48am
post #743 of 785
But then again you also have to worry about impulse mode having to run at 120hz...which should add some judder to 60fps games, and especially 30fps games, no? And add lag? Sounds like too much of a hassle right now, even if it's a very (theoretically) cool technology.
post #744 of 785
As if there weren't enough trade offs for impulse mode already. lol At this point i'm stuck on getting either the 50" or 55" S60. And the only reason why i'd opt for the 50" is because most Wii U games are running in 720p.
I plan on sitting at about 10-10.3 feet eye distance wise if i were to go for the 55"(which is perfectly fine for 1080p content, they recommend to sit 7.5 feet away which is far too close for my liking at least when it comes to watching bluray) but they say for optimum viewing distance on a 50" it should be 11.5 feet away for 720p based material. I don't have the room for that, and besides that's a bit too far back for me. where as on a 50" they say to sit 10 feet away for 720p material.
post #745 of 785
Well needless to say I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts. I think at this point I'm less concerned about input lag because any retro gaming I do would either be on another TV, or would maybe be an RPG or something. The S60 looks to be similar in lag (if not better) than my computer monitor (which I think is around 2.5 frames), so I should probably be happy there.

The only things I'm more worried about with the S60/64 are
- buzzing/popping
- line bleeding (will this bother me if I'm say, watching an episode of the Office?)
- the ABL (which, honestly, when watching at the store, didn't seem all that bad, because the LCDs looked REALLY bright...like, too bright)

I'm wondering if the ABL will be worse than my parents' TV since I believe they got it before power regulations got stricter, but I think it might wind up being one of those things I just get used to.

It's either that, or I hunt down an older plasma with less aggressive ABL and low input lag for cheap somewhere.

(Of course, these issues don't compare to the nightmare that is finding a solid, affordable LCD....I played at my friend's house, who has a $1300 LG LED, and it was awful. Major screen door effect, some awful local dimming, typical motion blur, and a pretty good, though not ideal viewing angle. The input lag didn't even seem very good IMO. The thing was DAMN thin though, which was kind of neat)
post #746 of 785
For anybody that cares, CNET reviewed the Samsung 5500, and they came up with 38.8ms of input lag.
Not sure about it's ABL, but it has weaker black level performance than the S60 but CNET mentioned that it has better colors, yet it's ALSO one of the most reflective plasma's known to man, which won't be a problem if you're plunked in your bat cave.
post #747 of 785
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

but it has weaker black level performance than the S60 but CNET mentioned that it has better colors, yet it's ALSO one of the most reflective plasma's known to man, which won't be a problem if you're plunked in your bat cave.

Is the difference in black level not that much noticeable in real time or , it makes difference ???
post #748 of 785
I'm feeling a little better about my upcoming S64 purchase (hopefully tonight?). I tested (very roughly) my TV's input lag by using the Wii U Gamepad. The TV is consistently 39ms behind the Gamepad, which itself has about a frame of lag. So, my current TV clocks in at 55ms (a 26" Insignia LCD from 2008). The S64 is measured at 34.1, so I'll be at least upgrading to a TV that's over a frame faster. With no other 2013 plasmas in that range, I'm feeling much better (and that I won't have any regrets with the TV).

(To put my lag tolerance in perspective, I've 100%'d Donkey Kong Country Returns on this TV, which anyone can tell you is a pretty rough game. I wonder how much more easily I would've done that on a CRT? Haha)

The only thing I can't really tolerate in regards to lag is old NES/SNES platformers because I know them so well. Anything new, I can adjust to pretty well. Can't wait to see how Rayman Legends will look on the new plasma.
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Originally Posted by PogueSquadron View Post

I'm feeling a little better about my upcoming S64 purchase (hopefully tonight?). I tested (very roughly) my TV's input lag by using the Wii U Gamepad. The TV is consistently 39ms behind the Gamepad, which itself has about a frame of lag. So, my current TV clocks in at 55ms (a 26" Insignia LCD from 2008). The S64 is measured at 34.1, so I'll be at least upgrading to a TV that's over a frame faster. With no other 2013 plasmas in that range, I'm feeling much better (and that I won't have any regrets with the TV).

(To put my lag tolerance in perspective, I've 100%'d Donkey Kong Country Returns on this TV, which anyone can tell you is a pretty rough game. I wonder how much more easily I would've done that on a CRT? Haha)

The only thing I can't really tolerate in regards to lag is old NES/SNES platformers because I know them so well. Anything new, I can adjust to pretty well. Can't wait to see how Rayman Legends will look on the new plasma.

I'm pretty sure the Wii U gamepad's 1 frame of lag is only to do with the Gamepad's screen itself and has nothing to do with the overall lag that's already present on ones HDTV. Wii U VC games already lag 1 frame behind, so if you were to play VC with the Wii U gamepad on the go they would lag a total of 2 frames. I personally can't settle for that, nor will i be playing ANY Wii U VC games on my HDTV, i'll save those for my CRT....Like Earthbound for example. tongue.gif

I'm still torn on weather i should get the 50" or 55" S60...The majority of Wii games will be 720p, and at 10 feet away eye distance-wise ON a 50" you can't tell the difference between 1080p & 720p, and that's pretty much my current seating distance already with my 60" which is too freakin' close for my liking. Now on a 55" they say you should sit back 11.5 feet(Which i feel is a little too far)for 720p content.....10.5 - 11 feet would be a more comfortable fit imo. Maybe i should just shut up about this 720p/1080p crap and just score the 55"...I'm sure 720p Wii U games will look amazing on it either way and for Super Smash Bros Brawl it's going to be amazing...once i swallow the 2 frames of input lag and nasty ABL.tongue.gif
post #750 of 785
The Wii U's wireless video feed on the gamepad has been clocked at two frames.
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