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Besides, having the Book be the way it was allowed the plot to include this element:
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Oldman could not access its power even upon stealing it.

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Why not Mayan or Egyptian hieroglyphics or some rare modern script?
Braille was a deliberate and crucial choice.



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You said sermons, who deliver those grocery clerks?
Sorry, senior moment here, I can't recall the clerks...


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Erase what obvious, that he was believer of something? Why is that sneaky, why are you threatened by someone's personal beliefs?

I have been commenting on the business/marketing end of The BoE, not the screenplay.
The "obvious" = the movie is basically a Christian parable.
The "sneaky" = the movie is NOT marketed as such....rather, it is being sold as a sci-fi extravaganza.


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That applies to more than one thing. Advertisement and politics to name couple.

You bet it does....
post #122 of 139
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Originally Posted by geekhd View Post

That applies to more than one thing.

Like responding to (Mac)Gruber's condescending post (Politics 101: When you are proven wrong, you attack) in The Green Zone thread for fear of an impending suspension.
post #123 of 139
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I have been commenting on the business/marketing end of The BoE, not the screenplay.
The "obvious" = the movie is basically a Christian parable.
The "sneaky" = the movie is NOT marketed as such....rather, it is being sold as a sci-fi extravaganza.

That's where you're going wrong, this isn't a consumer product per se, it's piece of art and a story telling. I know nothing about it's marketing, but the title made this pretty obvious to me what it might be, and the movie isn't just a Christian parable it's more then that.
post #124 of 139
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Why not Mayan or Egyptian hieroglyphics or some rare modern script?
Braille was a deliberate and crucial choice.

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Yes, braille was a deliberate and crucial choice, for likely reasons specified throughout this thread. But you expressed either surprise or consternation over the choice, so potential explanations were again offered.
Why not Mayan or Egyptian hieroglyphics? Because the setting is post-apocalyptic America.
post #125 of 139
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

You bet it does....

I just want to make sure my reply is not misinterpreted. What I mean by "it" is the exploitation of human emotion.

As for controlling people, it can easily have negative perception depending on how one puts it in the sentence. Control can be a good thing such as in teaching people to develop personal discipline. We've all seen unruly behavior by undisciplined ones in public gatherings. They sure could use some control.
post #126 of 139
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

That's where you're going wrong, this isn't a consumer product per se, it's piece of art and a story telling. I know nothing about it's marketing, but the title made this pretty obvious to me what it might be, and the movie isn't just a Christian parable it's more then that.

Again we are getting back to that age-old arguement: is it art or is it $ (now, there would be a long thread)?
I go back and forth on this all the time....
One part of me wishes art, and the other part recognizes movies CANNOT be made without greenbacks, and usually a lot of 'em.
BTW, art is some of the expensive stuff sold on the planet....take a look at Christie's, for example: http://www.christies.com/results/ind...th=6&year=2010

Although others have also posted the name of the film was a tip-off, I don't really pay attention to the titles of movies to get an idea of the content.
Take the movie title: Inception.
It doesn't really explain much, does it?


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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

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Yes, braille was a deliberate and crucial choice, for likely reasons specified throughout this thread. But you expressed either surprise or consternation over the choice, so potential explanations were again offered.
No, not surprised (when put within the context of the plot) or aggrieved.

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Why not Mayan or Egyptian hieroglyphics? Because the setting is post-apocalyptic America.

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Not the setting.
Ostensibly, the braille was a way to hide the words/meaning.
As an example, this could have been done with "Mayan or Egyptian hieroglyphics" etc.
In Eli's post-apocalyptic world, you would have a veeeeery difficult time finding Mayan/Egyptian epigraphers for translating The Book.
I think it is safe to say there would be quite a few more blind folks running () around with Braille translation skills.

As you acknowledged earlier, Denzel was divinely guided.
He was tasked with keeping the last copy of The Word of God away from dark powers and deliver it to sanctuary.
Doesn't anyone around here remember their Sunday School lessons....helping the blind to see?
No one has brought this biblical nugget up yet....I guess everyone was out camping that weekend and missed Church.
post #127 of 139
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-When he goes to get his iPod recharged, the guy at the counter says "oh this is a Blahblah 9000" and Eli says "Is it?"

It was also strange that he demands the guy to remove the wires of the charger from his iPod's battery; something like, "Take 'em off, or I will!".
post #128 of 139
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

It was also strange that he demands the guy to remove the wires of the charger from his iPod's battery; something like, "Take 'em off, or I will!".

I would demand the same too when dealing with electricity and a charging device that I'm not familiar with and if I'm in a hurry for something very important.
post #129 of 139
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I'm thinking that's perhaps a clue he has no (or poor) vision. If he could see, he could have easily taken them off..but I don't know....
post #130 of 139
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It was also strange that he demands the guy to remove the wires of the charger from his iPod's battery; something like, "Take 'em off, or I will!".

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I'm thinking that's perhaps a clue he has no (or poor) vision. If he could see, he could have easily taken them off..but I don't know....


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But Eli did say, or I will do it for you, or something like that, so he had the ability to do it for himself. If the Hughes' meant it as a clue, it was a ridiculous one considering his other extraordinary feats throughout the movie. My best guess would be that Eli was just trying to be respectful in the mans place of business.
post #131 of 139
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But Eli did say, or I will do it for you, or something like that, so he had the ability to do it for himself. If the Hughes' meant it as a clue, it was a ridiculous one considering his other extraordinary feats throughout the movie. My best guess would be that Eli was just trying to be respectful in the mans place of business.

It certainly could be viewed that way, or it could be viewed in a different light knowing what we know at the end of the movie. There are lots of little clues like that apparently.

Thanks to Lwright for the nice post listing them out, btw.
post #132 of 139
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

My only other complaint would be Mila Kunis...just not sure I agree with that casting choice, even though I think she did well enough. Just everytime she opened her mouth I was reminded of Meg from family guy and her That 70's Show character....probably my own fault for not being able to separate her voice from her other roles she's had.

Then (re)watch Forgetting Sarah Marchall beforehand.
post #133 of 139
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Again we are getting back to that age-old arguement: is it art or is it $ (now, there would be a long thread)?
I go back and forth on this all the time....
One part of me wishes art, and the other part recognizes movies CANNOT be made without greenbacks, and usually a lot of 'em.
BTW, art is some of the expensive stuff sold on the planet....take a look at Christie's, for example: http://www.christies.com/results/ind...th=6&year=2010

Although others have also posted the name of the film was a tip-off, I don't really pay attention to the titles of movies to get an idea of the content.
Take the movie title: Inception.
It doesn't really explain much, does it?


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Not the setting.
Ostensibly, the braille was a way to hide the words/meaning.
As an example, this could have been done with "Mayan or Egyptian hieroglyphics" etc.
In Eli's post-apocalyptic world, you would have a veeeeery difficult time finding Mayan/Egyptian epigraphers for translating The Book.
I think it is safe to say there would be quite a few more blind folks running () around with Braille translation skills.

As you acknowledged earlier, Denzel was divinely guided.
He was tasked with keeping the last copy of The Word of God away from dark powers and deliver it to sanctuary.
Doesn't anyone around here remember their Sunday School lessons....helping the blind to see?
No one has brought this biblical nugget up yet....I guess everyone was out camping that weekend and missed Church.


You have this undeniable talent that makes you keep missing my point.
post #134 of 139
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

You have this undeniable talent that makes you keep missing my point.

I guess so....what is the point?
post #135 of 139
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How did he know they were cannibals

Also the movie was religious as he was quoting scripture out of the bible. He was divinely protected as the gunshot wound did not kill him until his task was completed. Quoting the bible word for word could take months if not years
post #136 of 139
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How did he know they were cannibals

Also the movie was religious as he was quoting scripture out of the bible. He was divinely protected as the gunshot wound did not kill him until his task was completed. Quoting the bible word for word could take months if not years

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Not hard to figure out once the old couple told/showed them about the graveyard in the backyard and the fact that they've been surviving without any food source around.
post #137 of 139
This movie continues to enter my thoughts from time to time. I will watch it again soon. It has some power, and affects me. Great work, Hughes brothers!
post #138 of 139
UK - Funny, I just watched a good bit of this last night as it aired on HBO. Excellent movie and it's just as enjoyable the 2nd time around.

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I particularly enjoyed all of the telegraphing they did of his "condition." There were many moments when it was quite obvious if you knew what you were actually viewing.
post #139 of 139
Resurrecting (ha, I should have posted yesterday biggrin.gif) this thread as I just watched this over the weekend. I liked it, funny how some people get their knickers in a twist over the inclusion of religious themes in a movie like this. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I thought the telegraphing of his being blind was too inconsistent (somebody else mentioned how he went through the house at the beginning, bumping into things, pushing bowls and plates in the cupboard, smelling the corpse, etc, followed by a shootout in which he's nailing guys with one shot at distance with a pistol - even a skilled, seeing shooter would have difficulty with those shots but I digress) so it wasn't perfect but the acting, style, etc was great. Malcom McDowell's hair at the end was crazy tongue.gif

I thought the audio was fine but the person I was watching with asked me to turn it up several times so she could hear the dialoge.
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How did he know they were cannibals
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Several times in the movie, people asked Eli to show them his hands (at the engineer's shop, in the bar, etc). It was briefly mentioned that shaking hands was a sign of a cannibal. Probably not true in actuality but a plot technique. When the old lady served them their tea, her hands were shaking.

jeff
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