Panasonic 11G/12G/13G black levels have seemingly doubled overnight? - Page 36

Originally Posted by mmoh00

Well, assuming what Dnice said is true, I would recommend everyone to return their new sets to the retailers if possible. You do NOT want a plasma tv that looks like a dirt cheap LCD like in some pictures here. LOL. On top of this, there's the big green push and the THX bug. Panasonic screwed up BIG TIME this year. Unless they fix the black level issue soon, I will probably get rid of mine on craigslist too. Now I can see why 54S1s were going for sub $1K last month.

Originally Posted by mmoh00

Well, assuming what Dnice said is true, I would recommend everyone to return their new sets to the retailers if possible. You do NOT want a plasma tv that looks like a dirt cheap LCD like in some pictures here. LOL. On top of this, there's the big green push and the THX bug. Panasonic screwed up BIG TIME this year. Unless they fix the black level issue soon, I will probably get rid of mine on craigslist too. Now I can see why 54S1s were going for sub $1K last month.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

No one needs to return their displays. They are still good displays... they just have some issues.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

What really needs to happen is for 12G Panasonic owners to contact Panasonic and demand they correct their unecessary idle black rise that is tied to their firmware coded panel "On" time pre-defined drive voltage adjustments. They currently have zero plans to correct this in their 12G consumer displays. Enough complaints may force them to actually do something about it.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

No one needs to return their displays. They are still good displays... they just have some issues.

What really needs to happen is for 12G Panasonic owners to contact Panasonic and demand they correct their unecessary idle black rise that is tied to their firmware coded panel "On" time pre-defined drive voltage adjustments. They currently have zero plans to correct this in their 12G consumer displays. Enough complaints may force them to actually do something about it.

Originally Posted by Rpresner

is this the real housewives of avs forums. I appreciate D Nice with his knowledge and information sharing, but come on.. I have a 58 v10 and to my eyes my black levels are the same as when I bought it. Maybe something did change but I can not tell at all. To me my set has gotten better since I first got it. All tv's have issues just deal with it.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

If you cannot see it, don't worry about it... and don't look for it.

Originally Posted by tunatime

I just bought a 42s1 last week and I noticed that on sd the black bars are less black then on my samsung 40 b640 lcd. It looks like a shade of gray like thers a back light behind the scren and if I put a black side the corens and the side are lighter then the center. Will it get lighter then this still? Is there any way I can fix it? My set is and aug bulid

Originally Posted by tunatime

The black bars on the side are a black gray shade and on a full black form my pc or a slide its looks like and uneven grayish glow not black at all darker in the midle lighter on the sides even if I put brightness to 0 it looks about the same.

Originally Posted by cristian_ro

D-nice definitely you know the whole story. I have two questions ... what board holds the internally clock of the PDP, since my a-board was replaced i thought that was the board with all the video processing. And how can i reset my internal clock without opening the panel

Originally Posted by tunatime

In the den and at night whit all the lights out it lookcs just a litle better its a litle darker but lookcs more uneven

Originally Posted by tunatime

I just bought a 42s1 last week and I noticed that on sd the black bars are less black then on my samsung 40 b640 lcd. It looks like a shade of gray like thers a back light behind the scren and if I put a black side the corens and the side are lighter then the center. Will it get lighter then this still? Is there any way I can fix it? My set is and aug bulid

Originally Posted by SpeedDemon

This is completely off-topic

Originally Posted by D-Nice

No one needs to return their displays. They are still good displays... they just have some issues.

What really needs to happen is for 12G Panasonic owners to contact Panasonic and demand they correct their unecessary idle black rise that is tied to their firmware coded panel "On" time pre-defined drive voltage adjustments. They currently have zero plans to correct this in their 12G consumer displays. Enough complaints may force them to actually do something about it.

Originally Posted by TommyV

So is this problem of rising black levels applicable to ALL 12g models (including the X1 and professional models)?

Originally Posted by Slickman

Does the V10 suffer from this as well?

Originally Posted by mmoh00

Apparently all 12th gen Pannys will be subject to this problem.

If I had known about this, I would have returned my S1 earlier without any hesitation. I can live with the buzz noise and somewhat inaccurate colors, etc. But I don't think I can live with a grey black that's worse than a cheap computer LCD. Many people consider the black level to be the single most important aspect of the picture quality. That's why I switched over from LCD. And now this.

Thank you for your inquiry. *We regret to hear that you are having
difficulties with your product. *There is no firmware update for this
issue. *We weill forward your message to the appropriate personnel for
review. *Thank you for contacting Panasonic.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support

Originally Posted by Rpresner

well i got 400 hours on my 58 v10 and there is no noticeable difference in black levels. I actually have pictures taken of course when I got it, and as of now. I put on the same black bar BD movie from the original pictures and its identical from picture to picture. I do not know if you need 1000 hours or so before this happens but my v10 kicks azz as of now. I could not be any happier.

Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON

I've got a 54V10 on the way as a replacment and I will either get a 13g replacment set or a refund sometime this June, since I am only one person, they don't hear my complaints, the tech said it takes thousands of complaints before Panasonic considers it worth fixing, I say we give them those complaints.

List of flaws with the 12g Plasma sets that I have found

DSE like streaks in the AR coating on every unit (most never notice it)
Hyper Agressive ABL that makes brighter picture settings useless
Black levels rise rappidly around the time your return period is up
THX mode is dim and green (green push has a FW fix availible)
Standard mode has motion dither in dark scenes that is very obvious
Brighter picture modes produce more buzz than they should (no where near Kuro levels though)
The AR filter is pretty useless in daylight conditions, even a single energy saver bulb washes it out
All picture modes have this odd adjustment to shadow details randomly (happens differently for each picture mode)

Originally Posted by mmoh00

Apparently all 12th gen Pannys will be subject to this problem.

If I had known about this, I would have returned my S1 earlier without any hesitation. I can live with the buzz noise and somewhat inaccurate colors, etc. But I don't think I can live with a grey black that's worse than a cheap computer LCD. Many people consider the black level to be the single most important aspect of the picture quality. That's why I switched over from LCD. And now this.

Originally Posted by exbagboy

I did the same thing by putting a light behind my G10, much better blacks but still, just wish I knew they were selling the KRP-500m for 1500$ including a base at the same time I paid 1400$ for my 50G10.