Panasonic 11G/12G/13G black levels have seemingly doubled overnight? - Page 183

I hate to ask an ignorant question but how do you check the hours of operation on a P58v10. I am not very technically sophisticated so I will need step by step instructions. Thanks for the help.

Ughhh my bad well there are other Movies to view But all kidding a side I feel your frustration, when the movie takes a change in its path but you still manage to get sucked in anyway.Been there done that

I think its in the service menu but the exact steps I dont know but im sure someone will chime in for you

Check my signature and look for the guide by Mistah_g. IIRC it's explained in there.

Larry

lol.

I'll be good...I was going to pick apart DocuMaker's entire comparison of Samsung and Panasonic but after Larry's observation (and the realization that I don't really give a ---- anyway) I'll refrain.


On a more pertinent topic, I'm at 800 hours on my 58V10 and I've been measuring 0.010-0.011 ftL. the last few days instead of my usual 0.008-0.009. It could just be some of the IR that remains after I display the white windows but I'll keep an eye on it...hoping it's not a trend.

Darn and I just made some more popcorn. btw I had my money you But yes you've got the wright idea . Well hopefully it will be ok but I bet it is and your meter is just over heating put that thing away

Well the black level changes have started for my 2000hrs + 50" G15 as the black bars have turned dark gray. Not to noticable with low lights on in the room. I'll wait a couple of weeks to see what Panasonic says when they get back with our moderator MarkRubin. There is no sense in talking with a call center operator as that will be a waste of time.

This has now escalated on the US and UK front and I'm sure that they are looking at the cheapest fix without starting a board swap program. I'm sure the local repair shops would like that.

I should put it away. I really was just checking the grayscale calibration again but noticed the 0 IRE reading. Only time will tell.

And of the two I'm gonna have to go with the "Black Electrical tape" being the better topic. Since we already know the winner of the versus party.

Ouch!! I Really hate to hear that. Let's hope Panasonic can ungoof whatever the **** is going on???

I personally think the flat black electrical tape would be much better than the gloss black but then again it depends if your viewing at night or not

That could be a good thing though and I really think Panasonic will step up to the plate and make it wright if the numbers are solid. They wont have any options but to.

I have question to all those experiencing this black level problem and whoever else who is knowledgeable about plasma technology. I was thinking about getting a Panasonic g10 42'' solely for gaming since I heard that it has the best motion resolution, very low lag, and good off angle viewing compared to LCD, which people usually buy for gaming. I also had heard that the new plasmas, especially the Panasonic's, have basically eliminated screen burn/ image retention problems if you are careful with it for the first few hundred hours, so that made me want to get a panasonic plasma instead of an LCD for gaming.

Now this issue with the black level rising, people have said that how much you notice the black level rise depends on your environment and how lit your room is. Since I'll be playing games on the TV, my room will probably be about medium lit. So would I notice the rise in black level a whole lot, and how does the rising of the black level affect the plasma in terms of image retention/screen burn especially since I'll be playing games on it?

If this question has already been asked by someone else please give a link to it so I can read it.
thanks

some of you need to drink the Kona coffee and wake up. Panasonic has basically stated there's nothing wrong with the 2009 models, that they were built to be what they are today. It's in Black and White, I can't believe that some of you have that optomistic feelings that Panasonic will do something to calm down the owners of their products.

how can you be so naive? I'm starting to believe there's one born every minute!

Thanks...you're a big help

I'm in the same boat as all the 2009 product owners. But, I'm not so naive and hopeful Panny will come out with a fix after their public responses. D-Nice doesn't lead us on on being optomistic for a fix. It's written in stone that we got is what we got out of the horses mouth.

With it posted all over the internet you really can't expect much less. I'm just waiting for it to pop-up on msn homepape

Ugh here we go again. This is not true. Those with sets that have dramatically increased mll within such a short period of time (<200 hrs and even more) obviously have a problem that is not the functionality (however bad it may be) that the panny rep described.

I "think" I read another post with a response from Panasonic where dates were mentioned.

In that response, the CSR gave dates for THX and the black level.

NOW, I don't really believe it. But I don't want to rule it out either.

It can be found here
http://news.cnet.com/8601-17938_105-...ag=mncol;tback

That email looked interesting until I saw the date and realized Panasonic followed up afterwards with their BS statement. I tryed finding the other email with the dates and such, but no luck.

Two things about Panny 'superiority' (flame suit on):

1) I am still waiting to see the V25 before upgrading like many Panny fans, specifically the 54". Not only for the improved blacks but also for the styling as I dislike the glossy black bezels. Bronze matte metallic finish on the 54" seems to fit the bill. But this continuing notion that Panny has a superior picture to the competition based on original blacks when new is clearly flawed, sophomoric comments to the contrary. If the phosphor adjustments work as advertised, then maybe. But clearly not with the issue seen in many of the photos. Take away the Panny blacks and you do not have superior PQ. You have what other brands offer or worse, even much worse. I understand the love for brand that many feel the need to constantly crow about but perhaps it's time to face reality. I suspect many on this board who wasted a good bit of bandwidth denying, excusing, joking, etc. are going to have a difficult time going public if the MLL issue hits close to home.

2) Laying aside the stodgy styling designs ... Panasonic is clearly behind other manufacturers when it comes to user access to PQ control. Why does this continue? A real answer is needed not some childish reply about they don't need to ... it's already perfect or something similar. They bury much needed PQ items in the SM and then start to deny warranty when you calibrate? Total BS. Panny owners might want to stop making so much yellow snow as pissing contests do not make for truth.

I compared a 54G10 to a Sammy 50B860 the other day at Sears. Even took my own batteries in case either of the remotes was dead. Adjusted the pics as best I could under those lighting conditions without measurement and compared both sitting right next to each other. The Sammy was superior in virtually every regard. The G10 on display looked to have already been hit with the rising MLL as the blacks were clearly dark grey, so not a fair comparison in absolutes. Just a fair comparison in terms of what Panny currently offers as ''excellent PQ'' to it's customers. Not so tangentially, Bob Perry connected to anything related to CS issues does not bode well for Panny, near or long term.

Been waiting a good while and I really want to stick with my panel of choice (originally a 54V10 but now the V25). But grade school sniping isn't going to fix panel adjustments gone wrong. If Panny does not/cannot 'fix' what is clearly an issue then like Toyota they will take a PR hit, even without major publicity. The word is already on the boards where folks go to learn and compare. That alone will make for a less profitable year in 2010 for Panny plasma.

Being fans of Panny doesn't mean we shouldn't hold them accountable when something goes wrong. It is, in fact, a major way we can contribute to continuing product improvement. Sometimes I think people lose sight of this.

No flame suit required as it was very well said. I agree wholeheartedly.

Does it make sense to calibrate my V10 with about 400 hours on it? I really cannot tell if the black level has risen (my guess is no as it certainly isn't obvious or sudden) and in general think the picture is pretty good, but have heard so much about both calibration and the black level issue that I'm unsure if it's worth having it calibrated. firmware 1.28, THX looks fine, IB test in Vivid mode is inconsitant, stay black sometimes,other thimes it grays up a notch...wierd...ideas?

Obviously you do not know how to read.

I said, "If you compare the price now in Amazon....."
So here is the link to Amazon just in case you do not know how to check it.
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-PRO-15...7197534&sr=8-1

The Samsung will always look better under the bright lights compared to the G10. It's that dull-gray AR coating that Panasonic used on the 12g's, I believe. Makes it look washed out.

If you wander over to the 2010 Panny thread though, there seem to be a lot of good details emerging about the new AR coatings and panel brightness.

But, I'm like you...I'm not forking over money for a 13g Panny until there are some actions/reassurances from the corporate mothership.

Yes, lots of hopeful news on that thread. If not for the info gathered there and other places taking Panny product development seriously, I would have already taken the plunge with a Sammy B650 or B860, despite the buzz potential. Even considered the LG LH90 if I moved away from plasma (shudder) . Desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess. Just not that desperate yet.

Who would of thought Pioneer leaving the plasma field would have such immediate repercussions? Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. This pic of the 13g and 12g respectively with the solar space shot makes me quite hopeful:

Will everyone who has posted a measured mll please state if they had 48 or 60hz selected at the tv level? I was messing around last night and noticed I didn't change the tv back to 48hz after the THX update and my last reading. After making the change back to 48hz my tv consistently measured back to .018 ftL. I quickly changed the tv back to 60hz and the net result was an increase to .026 after checking the pluge pattern. The measurements were taken with a i1 d2 lt, ps3, avs 709 and chromapure.

slosvt,

Can you confirm whether you have been experiencing the standard doubled-blacks effect (ie doubling happened suddenly on a 2009 model with around 1000 viewing-hours logged)? If that's true, this is a very interesting development since you seem to have, in this case, actually fixed the problem!