Originally Posted by dsskid
We asked him to take pics and he did. He didn't profess to be the worlds greatest photographer. However, it is very apparent that there is a rise in his black levels. Cut the guy some slack.
Ya'll are making the assumption that I'm talking only about this set of pictures. I'm not. No pictures prove anything in this instance, even when taken in mostly controlled circumstances. Pictures can lie, everyone knows that. I could make my panny look much more inky dark or much more glowy than real life if I wanted, easily, through manipulations of all sorts, both pre and post snap.
Since you want to talk about THIS picture - it doesn't take an expert photographer to know that (EXIF data) you are using 8x the shutter opening length on the second photo. The blur, the blown out lighter areas, and yes, probably the brightness would all suggest that. And the fact that it is that setting used for the latter picture that is even more suggestive, rightly or wrongly, that the fix is in, and that the image is meant to intentionally skew the result toward the hypothesis. In defense of this image, some have said, "hey, that's ok, because that's what reality should be anyway." This is just plain wrong by any objective measure.
But this particular picture isn't and hasn't been my point, only perhaps the catalyst for my latest screed in the way people are reacting. The ends (wanting your tv fixed/replaced) do not justify the means (making wild claims not substantiated or in some cases even presented by facts).
Black level rise exists. I'm convinced, mainly by the evidence of my own eyes on my set, certainly by the empirical data provided by some more level headed forum members using verifiable measuring methods.
My point is simply that devoting time and energy to the breathless, unfounded, easily debunked - or at least highly questionable, inherently suspect "evidence" that some think is compelling is actually undermining their, my, and everyone else's case in this instance.
These methods are not helpful, they further lessen the possibility that any real attention will be paid. Supporting, asking for, or for goodness' sake defending this "evidence" is even more destructive to our claims.
Tin-foil hat conspiracy nuts is what they will dismiss this whole forum as. Whether we have a legitimate gripe or not. That is my point.