Panasonic 11G/12G/13G black levels have seemingly doubled overnight? - Page 258

Originally Posted by Paul_64

something is definitely wrong with the second photo

try again

Originally Posted by markabuckley

why on the 2nd photo is the "bar" at bottom - volume bar or whatever it is - more blown out then the 1st one - are the camera settings identical for both?

Originally Posted by djryval

It looks like the entire picture has gotten blurry/cloudy.

Originally Posted by serialmike

And that is clearly represented in the image.

Originally Posted by fahrenheit

No, it isn't.
If you check the EXIF data you'll see that the first shot has an exposure time of 1/8 of a second. The second shot has a full second exposure. In other words, its not worth the space its taking up on the page here.

No offense thebigdaddye but this is a mess on more than one level.
You can still salvage something if you go back and take a second shot a 1/8 and then maybe resize and fix the post.

Originally Posted by serialmike

No offense but exposure doesnt matter at all so long as the image is representing the issue. As someone that has the issue I assure you. It does.

Originally Posted by serialmike

No offense but exposure doesnt matter at all so long as the image is representing the issue. As someone that has the issue I assure you. It does.

Originally Posted by serialmike

No offense but exposure doesnt matter at all so long as the image is representing the issue. As someone that has the issue I assure you. It does.

Originally Posted by serialmike

Im sorry but it has already been shown that the pictures taken scientifically do not rerpresent in anyway what we are seeing in the home.

Not for the purposes of science but for the purpose of showing to those that dont understand or believe. These pictures represent almost identically what we see.

Those pictures show that you cannot mistke your tv for having it or not.


In this sense while not scientific they are the most accurate representation your going to get of the problem.

Originally Posted by erahk64

Maybe you could include a picture of what you see and a picture with same camera settings.
Then everyone is satisfied.

Originally Posted by fahrenheit

No, it isn't.
If you check the EXIF data you'll see that the first shot has an exposure time of 1/8 of a second. The second shot has a full second exposure. In other words, its not worth the space its taking up on the page here.

No offense thebigdaddye but this is a mess on more than one level.
You can still salvage something if you go back and take a second shot a 1/8 and then maybe resize and fix the post.

Originally Posted by jedcaum

Okay, I'll use the "no offense but" intro as well to say...

This latest exchange on whether or not these pictures represent anything at all useful (they don't) or accurate (nope) or scientific (please!) is endemic of the problem that has developed with a vast majority of this thread.

It has gone completely Chicken Little, with a little Don Quixote thrown in, and now Boy Who Cried Wolf (and got caught with the ketchup bottle he was using for his bloody proof.)

Drama queen justifications for a drama queen representation of what is clearly a real problem, but has gotten lost in all the hysterical noise. And this pic? Not even a good try.

I haven't given up hope that panasonic might fix this issue, or that perhaps time will as some small bit of data and the companies' own cryptic statements suggest it might - stranger things have indeed happened. Perhaps I'm just overly optimistic. Oh well. Some of you doom and gloomers should try it some day.

But so long as there are people making it their mission to throw ever more specious claims, wild theories, and now actually making up "proof" of their problems, there is fat chance of that. Panasonic will stay in protective mode, as they are wont to due anyway, under such an irrational attack. Why wouldn't they?

The other companies mentioned a bit earlier as beacons of corporate morality (Apple, XBox) didn't do their fixes any differently, and they certainly didn't do them because they are better entities. It wasn't the shrill "sky is falling" consumers that made the difference, either, as much as they want to think so. It was the rational, reasonable folks who insisted and proved that there was a problem - a real problem, not a supposed or exaggerated problem - who got satisfaction first, and eventually got a workable fix for others, too.

You'd think self-professed "Audio Visual Scientists" would know this.

Sheesh.

Originally Posted by mikey24

I wonder if the law suit will have anything to do with whether or not Panasonic fixes the problem?

Originally Posted by Camster

I'm guessing it will make them not fix it if anything to avoid admission of guilt. The lawsuit is unfortunate IMHO as it's likely to stall any eventual potential fix not to mention no one will see any amount of money that matters anyways.

Originally Posted by thebigdaddye

ok then drive over to ohio and i will show you in person just how terrible my plasma looks with any dark scenes. i'm not saying the sky is falling ,but if i buy product A. because they say they have a better black level then product B. and they do at the time of purchase only to turn lighter/more grey in less then a year then it's a problem for me and anyone who purchased product A. over product B. because this would no longer be true. now if they stated that the plasma black levels will rise within a year or two then i would have no problem because i WOULD have known BUT i or anybody else knew. how many people do you think would have purchased these plasmas if they knew the black level rise would happen? i would say probably half if that. i know one thing i would have kept my sony 34 inch crt hdtv thats for sure.

Originally Posted by jedcaum

Okay, I'll use the "no offense but" intro as well to say...

This latest exchange on whether or not these pictures represent anything at all useful (they don't) or accurate (nope) or scientific (please!) is endemic of the problem that has developed with a vast majority of this thread.

It has gone completely Chicken Little, with a little Don Quixote thrown in, and now Boy Who Cried Wolf (and got caught with the ketchup bottle he was using for his bloody proof.)

Drama queen justifications for a drama queen representation of what is clearly a real problem, but has gotten lost in all the hysterical noise. And this pic? Not even a good try.

I haven't given up hope that panasonic might fix this issue, or that perhaps time will as some small bit of data and the companies' own cryptic statements suggest it might - stranger things have indeed happened. Perhaps I'm just overly optimistic. Oh well. Some of you doom and gloomers should try it some day.

But so long as there are people making it their mission to throw ever more specious claims, wild theories, and now actually making up "proof" of their problems, there is fat chance of that. Panasonic will stay in protective mode, as they are wont to due anyway, under such an irrational attack. Why wouldn't they?

The other companies mentioned a bit earlier as beacons of corporate morality (Apple, XBox) didn't do their fixes any differently, and they certainly didn't do them because they are better entities. It wasn't the shrill "sky is falling" consumers that made the difference, either, as much as they want to think so. It was the rational, reasonable folks who insisted and proved that there was a problem - a real problem, not a supposed or exaggerated problem - who got satisfaction first, and eventually got a workable fix for others, too.

You'd think self-professed "Audio Visual Scientists" would know this.

Sheesh.

Originally Posted by jedcaum

I'm not interested in a flame war, sorry if you took it that way. You should reread my post. Your defense, here, though, is precisely my point. Saying, "okay, maybe I exaggerated my proof, but I really do have a problem" is not a compelling or credible way to make an argument. You undermine yourself when you do so.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem, and I certainly don't have to drive to Ohio to see yours; I have a 58S1 that has clearly risen blacks. I've researched it, and I'm satisfied that if there is a fix to be had, I'll eventually get it. I'm resigned to the fact that there probably isn't, in part because all this blown-out-of-proportion crap around the issue has puckered panasonic's corporate behind.

What I was trying to suggest is that we all use real data and facts, and not wildly inflated (or patently false) claims or manipulated evidence to support the call for a fix. That's all.

If you go into a support or warranty call with the statement, "well, that picture I sent you was kinda bs, but I really do have a problem, just come and see," you will be dismissed. Every time. And rightly so.

You've just given them all the reason in the world to deny any claim you may have otherwise had to satisfaction. Your demand for fair treatment is predicated on the notion that you will give it in return. If you don't, you takes your chances, and you get what you get. Usually disappointment.