Panasonic 11G/12G/13G black levels have seemingly doubled overnight? - Page 305

Yeah I've had that happen too
I think it means you've set it too close to the threshold and just need to go a little bit higher.

Hey thanks for this, I've just tried ABBYY Screenshot Reader and found it works perfectly:



You basically drag a section of the screen you want to convert to text. The accuracy is spot on, only sometimes it thinks zeros are capital O's. But no problem, just auto find and replace them in word. Then find and replace hard returns (wildcard "^p" in word) with empty space so you have just a long string of hex values and then copy-paste straight into HxD, voila!

Ok, sometimes it thinks 1's are I's. It's no problem though, we can just find and replace those automatically.

Sweet, I just OCR'd my entire pre-rise LSI-data Tomorrow I will OCR the post-rise LSI-data and do a file comparison. If there's any change there at all, I'll find it.

If you need help... just beep me
Regards

Maybe you can specify somewhere in the app settings what characters are valid for the OCR? 0123456789ABCDEF would get perfect results straight away.

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On July 12, 2010 at 9:57 PM, wrote:
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I was just inquiring about this feature, to see if my 58S1 has it!(I know it does) We're debuting a new feature here at Panasonic (We've actually included it since the 2008 models!). Its called Infinite Lifespan! Instead of your panel lasting 85,000 hours and meeting Energy Star 2.0, it will now last 100,000 hours and meet Energy Star 3.0!** http://i29.tinypic.com/169p751.jpg *Blacks will brighten by as much 3X and Contrast Ratio will be a third of its original *Significant increase in phosphorescence may occur, lending a nice touch to your favorite night scenes!

LOL

Hew Sonic, I was just wondering if the voltage data might be stored in some other part of the firmware, not accessible through the TV? Could there be other DAT files in /work that aren't accessible, only through a connection to the A-Board?

FYI, you might not want to include your email address in a public post. spam bots are everywhere these days...


I'm keeping an eye on this thread (daily).. when 100 people here are convinced a mod works and a solution is found, then I'll take mine down off the wall and try it... keep up the good work everyone!

cheers,
..dane

Thanks for that

I'm afraid you might be right about that

Crap, did you compare the OCR Pre/Post Rise yet?

Nope, just started doing it now

When then maybe its in there. VOP sounds encouraging! I hope its not some complicated algorithm

Just finished comparing, no differences found

God Damn, I bet there's another DAT file called like PanAging.dat in there

If the data and process regarding the plasma aging is somewhere just accessible from the back ports, then it makes sense that Panasonic does not want to accept / correct the problem, as it would take a technician to check personally each TV...

And that fits with everything Panny has done, and what D-Nice said about requiring a tech to perform the update.

We really need to find the right connector cord, and software to use so the average guy could search, find the fix, and connect his laptop to his tv and be done with it.

If we have a hand in getting that to eventually happen, i feel that we really would have accomplished something here.

I want to thank Sonic for taking the time to do this anyway. Even though we didn't find anything, it was definitely worth doing what he did.

Wait? Does this now mean I shouldn't bother taking apart my TV to turn the screw?

I turned my pot down and there was a decrease in minimum luminance. Having said that, I haven't been able to measure the new luminance because I'm in the Yukon where we have 24hrs of daylight in the summer and I really don't feel like taping up my windows. I can also tell the luminance isn't quite as low as when I first purchased the TV. My TC-P58S1 was the unit with a peak 0.012ftL reading on the chart that was made by a user in this thread. Subjectively, I'm guessing the TV is at around 0.009ftL. The change isn't dramatic but definitely noticeable and worth the pot adjustment, in my opinion. We'll see how I feel when the TV dies on me in September. Haha, just kidding. .........I hope.

No worries at all. I guess it was kind of worth trying because at least now we know there probably isn't any way of fixing it without that Panasonic software tool/debugger/whatever it's called.


That's right, nobody should be doing it imo. It's just a pointless risk of your own safety and the TV's safety and all you can hope to acheive is a very slight reduction on black level, if anything at all.

Hey Sonic, I'm fairly sure ANY terminal emulation program works. I mean, its just a slightly tweaked linux by the look of things. This fits with what a calib told me as well. So I think we just need to find a connector/debugging cable

Yeah but how do we know what commands to send? The whole point of using the Panasonic tool is to reset some variables ("counters" according to the tech guy) but we don't even know what those variables are yet. I'm not even sure how we would go about finding those variables.

Plus, I'm kind of tired of this whole issue and feel like defecting to Samsung

63C8000 looks nice, apparently the MLL is 0.011ftL.

Has this happend in the 2010 models yet though?

Panasonic already confirmed it will happen in the 2010 models, just that the rise will be far more gradual over time. I cannot remember if the same overall rise will be equivalent, though, or even if that information was given by Panasonic. I'm sure someone will confirm here.

Information was given to cNet by Panasonic. Cnet currently doing extended testing on a G and VT series to see how quickly and by how much black levels change.

I was really down on Panasonic when my V10 experienced the rise in December. However, when I look at other displays, Panasonic always looks best.

I don't want to forgive them, but if they really do fix the problem in 2011 as d-Nice indicated many months ago, then I may give them another spin around the floor.

I pretty much feel the same way. I was pretty livid knowing that my tv isn't even listed in the top 10 anymore now that the black levels will ultimately rise to the degree of which would make it, well, not on the top 10 any longer - when at one point, it was number 1. Honestly, its weird because the pn850/860 series is almost the same tv even after the rise. Whatever.

Either way, I'd love to have a fix for this fiasco, but the bottom line is, I'll still probably buy a 2011 panasonic v-whatever series when the arrive.

I wonder if its hitting another stage after a year. My V10 has some really bad image retention. Even after the tvs been off for days. I need to learn to close my eyes while the HDMI handshaking is taking place with the cable box (and showing the disgusting no-input picture ;-)