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post #61 of 260
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Originally Posted by mmiles View Post

Sounds like a future plug for a review! You go KR...

I think this might complete a series for me. Did the Arcam, the Classe and the Krell. Will get the Mac and the new Meridian this month. After that, it may be time to do something other than high-end prepros for a while.
post #62 of 260
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I think this might complete a series for me. Did the Arcam, the Classe and the Krell. Will get the Mac and the new Meridian this month. After that, it may be time to do something other than high-end prepros for a while.

Kal, what about the ADA Cinema Rhapsody MACH IV B?
post #63 of 260
My bet KR would rather wait till the unit with Trinnov [that would be ADA's next SSP play]. I'm sure ADA will have something [prototype] by CEDIA or CES 2011 at the latest.
post #64 of 260
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Originally Posted by Joelc View Post

Kal, what about the ADA Cinema Rhapsody MACH IV B?

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Originally Posted by mmiles View Post

My bet KR would rather wait till the unit with Trinnov [that would be ADA's next SSP play]. I'm sure ADA will have something [prototype] by CEDIA or CES 2011 at the latest.

I think so.
post #65 of 260
Well, for a while, I thought this preamp was a myth. We had one come in today, and as quickly as it came in, it left out the front door. Our customer came right over and picked it up. Can't wait until we get our floor model, we will fill our orders first though, so it could be a while.
post #66 of 260
Kal, it would be interesting for you to compare the SSPs using HDMI audio vs using
a top notch Universal player like the Marants UD9004 multichannel analog out into a top notch reasonably prices multichannel preamp! I recently got the UD9004 and into my Theta Six Shooter I am quite impressed.
post #67 of 260
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

I recently got the UD9004 and into my Theta Six Shooter I am quite impressed.

Really? That's news to me.
post #68 of 260
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Originally Posted by Joelc View Post

Kal, what about the ADA Cinema Rhapsody MACH IV B?

You guys got me interested in this so we looked into it, but since it has no balanced outputs, it's a non starter for us. Norm
post #69 of 260
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Originally Posted by tyree91 View Post

You guys got me interested in this so we looked into it, but since it has no balanced outputs, it's a non starter for us. Norm

The "B" is Cinema Phapsody Mach IV B stabnds for balanced...the cut sheet celarly indicates / shows the balanced outputs and can be found at
http://www.ada.net/literature/produc...ductdatasheets
post #70 of 260
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Originally Posted by Joelc View Post

The "B" is Cinema Phapsody Mach IV B stabnds for balanced...the cut sheet celarly indicates / shows the balanced outputs and can be found at
http://www.ada.net/literature/produc...ductdatasheets

That is the unbalanced cut-sheet.

Here is a photo of the rear of the BALANCED Mach IV (very minimalist - about time):
LL
post #71 of 260
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

That is the unbalanced cut-sheet.

Here is a photo of the rear of the BALANCED Mach IV (very minimalist - about time):

Jeff:

Thanks...my bad...do not what happened when I copied the URL...
post #72 of 260
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

That is the unbalanced cut-sheet.

Here is a photo of the rear of the BALANCED Mach IV (very minimalist - about time):

Jeff, thanks. They didn't have that on their site under products. That is a major upgrade, and makes it a must listen before making decisions in the current market. Regards, Norm
post #73 of 260
I recently upgraded from a MX-136 to the MX-150. Honestly considering the loss I took on the MX-136 (paid $10,000, sold for $3800.00) MX-150 ($12,000) I think I made a bad choice. I should have kept the 136 a few more years. The loss was too great for small improvements with the MX-150.
I was thinking of selling everything and starting over, perhaps a Meridian system. Ratio was 80% music / 20% movies. However with children its more like 90% movies / 10% music. So a HT system is more important than 1 channel audio now. I just stream music and movies now.
Other components. MC501's,MC205, B&W 802d, HTM2D, SCM1, DS7, ASW855
post #74 of 260
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Originally Posted by rlhaudio View Post

I should have kept the 136 a few more years. The loss was too great for small improvements with the MX-150.

You do not hear differences for blu-ray uncompressed sound in the mx-150?

Only way to do it in the mx-136 was to use analog connection.

But if you are at 80% music, you should have stayed with the mx-136.
post #75 of 260
Well,

We just got our 2nd MX150 in and again, it went out right away. I cannot wait to get our demo here in a little bit so I can play with it and report in with impressions.
post #76 of 260
The room perfect tech licensed from lyngdorf should be very nice.
post #77 of 260
After reading the manual I downloaded for this unit I was surprised that the video section appears to be very basic acting as a switch with the ability to convert analog video to digital. There is no mention of any processing capabilities. Unless the audio portion of this unit would absolutely blow away my Anthem D2v or its' HDMI handling is flawless, it looks like a video step backwards with only 5 HDMI inputs and 1 output and no manipulation of the video. Am I missing something?
post #78 of 260
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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

After reading the manual I downloaded for this unit I was surprised that the video section appears to be very basic acting as a switch with the ability to convert analog video to digital. There is no mention of any processing capabilities. Unless the audio portion of this unit would absolutely blow away my Anthem D2v or its' HDMI handling is flawless, it looks like a video step backwards with only 5 HDMI inputs and 1 output and no manipulation of the video. Am I missing something?

The MX-150 has no video processing or scaling. The reason being is that most people who buy this will be using an external VP/scaler. Now here's a brain twister. It's almost 30lbs lighter(!) than it's cousin the Denon AVP-A1HDCI. Weight isn't everything, of course, but I've yet to get a satisfactory answer as to where those 30lbs went???
post #79 of 260
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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

After reading the manual I downloaded for this unit I was surprised that the video section appears to be very basic acting as a switch with the ability to convert analog video to digital. There is no mention of any processing capabilities. Unless the audio portion of this unit would absolutely blow away my Anthem D2v or its' HDMI handling is flawless, it looks like a video step backwards with only 5 HDMI inputs and 1 output and no manipulation of the video. Am I missing something?


I see no video processing as a step forward.

Most by an SSP of this nature for great audio processing. McIntosh is not known for VP and rightly, they stay out of it. The Anthem D2 thread scares me with all the repeated issues many users have. Too much crammed into one box... a master of none. IF you need a VP, there are many nice dedicated pieces. But as Blu Ray increases the number of titles, there is little need for a video processor as 1080P24 is the res of any display worth owning.
post #80 of 260
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Kal, it would be interesting for you to compare the SSPs using HDMI audio vs using
a top notch Universal player like the Marants UD9004 multichannel analog out into a top notch reasonably prices multichannel preamp! I recently got the UD9004 and into my Theta Six Shooter I am quite impressed.

Obviously (and unfortunately) aint gonna happen. What would be a more interesting issue to the broader Stereophile audience is this; Is there any point in getting an HDMI transport beyond a cheap Oppo 83 when used in conjunction with any of these mega bucks processors? If I interpret Kal's reviews to date correctly, with the Meridian HD621 the answer is no.

It would be interesting to compare the McIntosh MX150 in conjunction with their 10K universal, and the MX150 + Oppo. Same for Krell. I never quite understood why McIntosh would stick 7K worth of DACs and analog circuitry into a SOTA universal player and then replicate the expense in a SSP. Why not build a SOTA HDMI transport without all the analog stuff and sell it for 3K? May be just optimize 2 channel analog (like Ayre) to run through a 2 channel pre with HT bypass, but why the expense for 7.1 analog when the SSP will do the heavy lifting?
post #81 of 260
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I see no video processing as a step forward.

Most by an SSP of this nature for great audio processing. McIntosh is not known for VP and rightly, they stay out of it. The Anthem D2 thread scares me with all the repeated issues many users have. Too much crammed into one box... a master of none. IF you need a VP, there are many nice dedicated pieces. But as Blu Ray increases the number of titles, there is little need for a video processor as 1080P24 is the res of any display worth owning.

Your right if you live in a blu-ray only world. I however live in a TIVO, HD VCR and Laser Disc (Yes Laser Disc) world that needs help to correct their individual idiosyncrasies. After a new MICO 60 (waiting on) and $12k for this, allowing for a third party processor and the rack space needed to hold both is a major challenge. But, again, if the audio side can make a believer out of me, it still may be a player.

As for the D2v...your right about being scared. The unit, out for more than a year, still has WAY too many flaws. For Anthem, it is a half-step forward and one back with every firmware upgrade, beta or general release, they have issued. Well maybe it's not a step backwards, because they have never been able to get their other leg out of the deep mud hole they dug for themselves, so they just sink back!
post #82 of 260
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

What would be a more interesting issue to the broader Stereophile audience is this; Is there any point in getting an HDMI transport beyond a cheap Oppo 83 when used in conjunction with any of these mega bucks processors? If I interpret Kal's reviews to date correctly, with the Meridian HD621 the answer is no.

To be addressed directly in a future report on the Ayre DX-5.

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It would be interesting to compare the McIntosh MX150 in conjunction with their 10K universal, and the MX150 + Oppo. Same for Krell. I never quite understood why McIntosh would stick 7K worth of DACs and analog circuitry into a SOTA universal player and then replicate the expense in a SSP. Why not build a SOTA HDMI transport without all the analog stuff and sell it for 3K? May be just optimize 2 channel analog (like Ayre) to run through a 2 channel pre with HT bypass, but why the expense for 7.1 analog when the SSP will do the heavy lifting?

I agree with you here. It makes sense to me for inexpensive players to include DACs for all channels but I wonder what high-end buyers really use. Anecdotally, it seems that many AVS posters opt for the analog outs on players like the 9004 and the 83SE. I do not believe that it would be so with a broad statistically-valid survey but who knows?
post #83 of 260
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

To be addressed directly in a future report on the Ayre DX-5.

Can't wait to read about it. While you are at it, you probably want to do the Oppo / DX-5 HDMI transport comparison on both a HD621 and another high end HDMI SSP. It may be entirely possible the HD621 architecture makes it HDMI transport agnostic, while on other SSPs the transport may make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Anecdotally, it seems that many AVS posters opt for the analog outs on players like the 9004 and the 83SE. I do not believe that it would be so with a broad statistically-valid survey but who knows?

This would be the "high-end suckers" ratio; the percentage of Denon A1 / Marantz ud9004 / McIntosh universal / OppoSE owners that use their players strictly as an HDMI transport....
post #84 of 260
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

Can't wait to read about it. While you are at it, you probably want to do the Oppo / DX-5 HDMI transport comparison on both a HD621 and another high end HDMI SSP. It may be entirely possible the HD621 architecture makes it HDMI transport agnostic, while on other SSPs the transport may make a difference.

Or vice versa.
post #85 of 260
I had an MX-150 for a few days to audition with my system. Video processing was not important (the mx-150 is basically an HDMI switch that also converts analog video to digital) as I have a Radiance XE for feeding the projector directly and passing the audio to the MX-150.

First, I loved the IP control of the MX-150. The unit did have a few operational quirks, but what unit does not. Nothing that I could not overcome. In addition, the face plate of the MX-150 is just cool to look at.

After a very rough start in running "Room Perfect" and a couple days of email exchanges with the Mac people, who were very patient and helpful, the software was able to achieve up to a 97% room knowledge. But even after all of that, I never liked the way "Room Perfect" set up the room and without any graphical readouts of the correction process to figure out why, I finally concluded that MX-150 was not for me. I decided to go with the Anthem D2v and its' ARC software.

The price tag of the MX-150 would never be an issue if it "WOWED" me. It did not.

Perhaps I am in the minority in wanting to be hands-on with this unit as opposed to having a dealer come in, which McIntosh strongly advises, and set it up for me and not be involved. But, hey, I'm that kind of guy!
post #86 of 260
I had the same issues with my MX-150 at first. lesson learned. you must use a computer to "set it up" then it CAME TO LIFE!!

great piece of gear from Mc!
post #87 of 260
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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

Your right if you live in a blu-ray only world. I however live in a TIVO, HD VCR and Laser Disc (Yes Laser Disc) world that needs help to correct their individual idiosyncrasies. After a new MICO 60 (waiting on) and $12k for this, allowing for a third party processor and the rack space needed to hold both is a major challenge. But, again, if the audio side can make a believer out of me, it still may be a player.

As for the D2v...your right about being scared. The unit, out for more than a year, still has WAY too many flaws. For Anthem, it is a half-step forward and one back with every firmware upgrade, beta or general release, they have issued. Well maybe it's not a step backwards, because they have never been able to get their other leg out of the deep mud hole they dug for themselves, so they just sink back!

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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

I had an MX-150 for a few days to audition with my system. Video processing was not important (the mx-150 is basically an HDMI switch that also converts analog video to digital) as I have a Radiance XE for feeding the projector directly and passing the audio to the MX-150.

First, I loved the IP control of the MX-150. The unit did have a few operational quirks, but what unit does not. Nothing that I could not overcome. In addition, the face plate of the MX-150 is just cool to look at.

After a very rough start in running "Room Perfect" and a couple days of email exchanges with the Mac people, who were very patient and helpful, the software was able to achieve up to a 97% room knowledge. But even after all of that, I never liked the way "Room Perfect" set up the room and without any graphical readouts of the correction process to figure out why, I finally concluded that MX-150 was not for me. I decided to go with the Anthem D2v and its' ARC software.

The price tag of the MX-150 would never be an issue if it "WOWED" me. It did not.

Perhaps I am in the minority in wanting to be hands-on with this unit as opposed to having a dealer come in, which McIntosh strongly advises, and set it up for me and not be involved. But, hey, I'm that kind of guy!

Funny, the progress you made in such a short time
I am happy for you though.
I always thought McIntosh was hyped way above its true level.
Long live ARC!
post #88 of 260
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Originally Posted by BIG RED View Post

I had the same issues with my MX-150 at first. lesson learned. you must use a computer to "set it up" then it CAME TO LIFE!!

For what did you use the computer?
post #89 of 260
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Funny, the progress you made in such a short time
I am happy for you though.
I always thought McIntosh was hyped way above its true level.
Long live ARC!

I have posted extensively in the Anthem forum about my frustration with the continuing HDMI issues of the D2v. I finally brought in a Lumagen Radiance XE to process the video. With that accomplished, I focused on the audio and decided to audition the MX-150 for its' audio processing as the video side is basically a switch and not a processor. The "Room Perfect" calibration system, just did not do the job for my system. So I decided to use the D2v's audio processing side as I concluded ARC did a better job for me, but mercifully, I no longer have to deal with its' HDMI quirks.
post #90 of 260
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Originally Posted by netroamer View Post

I have posted extensively in the Anthem forum about my frustration with the continuing HDMI issues of the D2v. I finally brought in a Lumagen Radiance XE to process the video. With that accomplished, I focused on the audio and decided to audition the MX-150 for its' audio processing as the video side is basically a switch and not a processor. The "Room Perfect" calibration system, just did not do the job for my system. So I decided to use the D2v's audio processing side as I concluded ARC did a better job for me, but mercifully, I no longer have to deal with its' HDMI quirks.

What you are saying is very instructive though not of any use to me.
I am a very ardent D2v supporter and it is good to know what might its detractors say about it.
Mine is only connected to one projector at one end and to an HTPC and an Oppo player at the other end, so i don't have that many complaints about the HDMI switching.
But your POV on the Roomperfect RC, especially because you could compare it to ARC, was indeed needed and thank you for sharing it.
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