Originally Posted by Cine4Home
But I doubt we will ever see that. The engineers seem to have that "we do not need a DI because DILA is so great anyway" attitude, which is unfortunate.
Is it the engineers? If so then I think that is unfortunate too. As an example, if the on/off CR at 50k:1 speced was so great with the RS20 that a DI wouldn't have made the images better overall to a lot of people then why should anybody spend extra money to get JVC's new model for the 80k:1 on/off CR? If they were holding back on purpose because they knew a good DI would improve the images, but didn't want to give people too much at one time so they could get them to upgrade later, or if there wasn't time to implement one right, then I could understand them not doing it for those business reasons. But if they didn't do it because they thought it wouldn't improve the images even if they did a good implementation, then to me that is pure ignorance and the fact that they are upping their native on/off CRs proves that they knew they hadn't already gotten to no room for improvement to their absolute black levels.
Originally Posted by Mark Petersen
If I were going to hope for a DI though, I'd love to see them add a DI like the Planar's.
If JVC did a DI I would expect it to be at least as good as Planar's. While a lot of expertise went into Planar's, they also had to start from something like 3k:1 native on/off CR. I think it would be much easier to start with 30k:1 or higher.
Originally Posted by Mark Petersen
Imagine what AVP: Requiem would look like with 80K:1 native and the more agressive boost in most of those scenes
Especially since AVP:R doesn't seem to have anything above around 70-75% video level in general from what I've checked. Even things like a bright planet on a dark background don't even come close to 100% video level and so leave extra room for a DI to do its thing. BTW: I would love to see a shootout of the new RS20 replacement with the Samsung A900B that included chapter 13 of the unrated version of AVP:R. That is a scene where a Predator is fighting Aliens down in a sewer where it is very dark. The Samsung would likely show some advantages in bright scenes, but in a side-by-side it could look pretty washed out compared to a newer JVC (like the RS20 or its replacement) in this area, especially if the Samsung was used without its DI.
Originally Posted by dbbarron
As JVC is one of the few (if only) not using DI, perhaps they view this as a marketing advantage.
Could be. They might be banking on it being a complicated enough subject that people won't figure out that their projectors would be even better to most people who care about this area with a good DI on top of what they already bring to the table, or figure it is complicated enough that even if they improved their projectors with a DI it would be hard to explain to people why theirs was better and have it stick. Or maybe they don't know enough themselves and their marketing is basically what they believe, misguided or not. I wonder how many people who are involved in this for JVC would disable the iris on the higher end Sony if they were forced to live with it for a year and got to see the images that result with the DI disabled or the DI enabled. Or would disable a DI all the time on the JVC if it had a good one and they were using it at home.
I think it is too bad that nobody else has really stepped up and competed well enough to force JVC's hand here. I have to give JVC credit for doing so well in getting their native on/off CRs up and it isn't their fault that others haven't competed well enough against them, but I would still like to see somebody else do it. Like a 4 panel projector or Sony getting their native on/off CR up much higher and combining that with their DI. The first LED DLP doesn't seem like it has had the best decisions backing it in this area to compete better with the JVCs and unfortunately TI just hasn't even stayed in the same ballpark as JVC for native on/off CR over the last few years after being ahead of JVC in this area back then.