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post #241 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

You guys are BANANAS! OK, we're all bananas for even being here, but you guys are a special breed of banana.

Sorry, but do you all use your ears or sheets of paper to enjoy your A/V? This arguement has gone overboard...like so many others. Who cares about the actual spec, or the heat generated, or the efficiency of the design? Really, are these items going to tip you one way or the other in your decision process. How can you possibly judge the merit of a product you have never actually experienced? If you do this, then you're truly just taking an naive guess.

I've been in this hobby since CDs were introduced. There are a lot of things I don't get in A/V - frankly I've moved on as to why. Many of you are making statements of fact and authority when you are not qualified and many of the so-called facts are less than accurate. This misleads those who can't talk the talk. So please post responsibly and try to in a positive light.

1) Specs are generally only worth the paper they're written on, and less than that if found on the internet (until they are printed out as a hard copy - and then their value increases only to the value of the paper they are printed on.
2) Life will become rather disappointing if you believe everything you read, and especially if you base all your purchases on published specifications. (Wine is a good example - I still can't find a good bottle of cheap Pinot Noir)(cars too, another good example...drive before purchasing).
3) Are you all arguing about if the power supply has been changed (see photos), or the merit of changing it. A significant number of modders change the PS, some even make it outboard, and on more than just CDPs. My guess is most agree here, but this discussion makes it hard to tell sometimes.
4) Could 80 Watts simply be a marketing typo? Maybe it should read 80VA - see my photos. This transformer is for a project I never got to, but back then I noted that several components run on 15v AC from the PS, and some even used a variation of this very torroid. Perhaps this is the case here since it's about the same size. If so, then the only thing that's disappointing is that they didn't catch it, or correct it.(the typo).

Nevertheless, it should be clear the PS is unique to the Theta...can we move on and hopefully hear from some folks who have experienced the darned thing? Preferably someone who doesn't own one, but in a reasonably good set-up. Owners are always thought to be biased, and for good reason.

Wise words. I would go a step further and say not only do specs not matter, you can largely dismiss measurements as well. I recently did a shootout between Revel Studios and Verity Audio Parsifal Encore's in my basement, and the while the former measured a lot better in my room, the latter sounded much better (I sold the Revels).

I'm sure we would all rather discuss the results of the double blind equipment shootout sessions we did over the week-end, but there is only so much gear you can move in an out of your theater, so we have to resort to chatter over the relative mertis of analog preamps over HDMI SSPs, linear powersupplies over switching and so on. Call it the curse of the audio/videophile.
post #242 of 388
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

Wise words. I would go a step further and say not only do specs not matter, you can largely dismiss measurements as well. I recently did a shootout between Revel Studios and Verity Audio Parsifal Encore's in my basement, and the while the former measured a lot better in my room, the latter sounded much better (I sold the Revels).

I'm sure we would all rather discuss the results of the double blind equipment shootout sessions we did over the week-end, but there is only so much gear you can move in an out of your theater, so we have to resort to chatter over the relative mertis of analog preamps over HDMI SSPs, linear powersupplies over switching and so on. Call it the curse of the audio/videophile.

So true - I had an engineer who was a lifelong audiophile and whose wife was a professional musician. Just like an engineer, he couldn't get off the numbers and measurements. I kept asking him to listen instead of measuring first and his response was always that his wife had the golden ear...I wondered if actually enjoyed listening for himself.

When I told him I had a tube based preamp, I immediately followed with a strong statement that I liked it a lot, and I've gone through plenty of others in comparison, and I have no interest in hearing his derogatory BS about anything with tubes. He also feels all cdps are the same...it's just "0's" and "1's" in differing order, with different DACs...that's all...that's when I leave.

Maybe he says it on purpose. LOL

I'm going t see if I can hear a Compli Blu at a nearby dealer. They have some other nice gear in there that I'll likely be familiar with. They're also a big EMM dealer, so perhaps I can put it up next to an EMM CDSA-SE.

I currently use a Marantz 8002 player. I'd hope the Compli Blu has as good a picture. Anyone out there seen it to be able to comment?
post #243 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

You guys are BANANAS! OK, we're all bananas for even being here, but you guys are a special breed of banana.

Sorry, but do you all use your ears or sheets of paper to enjoy your A/V? This arguement has gone overboard...like so many others. Who cares about the actual spec, or the heat generated, or the efficiency of the design? Really, are these items going to tip you one way or the other in your decision process. How can you possibly judge the merit of a product you have never actually experienced? If you do this, then you're truly just taking an naive guess.

I've been in this hobby since CDs were introduced. There are a lot of things I don't get in A/V - frankly I've moved on as to why. Many of you are making statements of fact and authority when you are not qualified and many of the so-called facts are less than accurate. This misleads those who can't talk the talk. So please post responsibly and try to in a positive light.

1) Specs are generally only worth the paper they're written on, and less than that if found on the internet (until they are printed out as a hard copy - and then their value increases only to the value of the paper they are printed on.
2) Life will become rather disappointing if you believe everything you read, and especially if you base all your purchases on published specifications. (Wine is a good example - I still can't find a good bottle of cheap Pinot Noir)(cars too, another good example...drive before purchasing).
3) Are you all arguing about if the power supply has been changed (see photos), or the merit of changing it. A significant number of modders change the PS, some even make it outboard, and on more than just CDPs. My guess is most agree here, but this discussion makes it hard to tell sometimes.
4) Could 80 Watts simply be a marketing typo? Maybe it should read 80VA - see my photos. This transformer is for a project I never got to, but back then I noted that several components run on 15v AC from the PS, and some even used a variation of this very torroid. Perhaps this is the case here since it's about the same size. If so, then the only thing that's disappointing is that they didn't catch it, or correct it.(the typo).

Nevertheless, it should be clear the PS is unique to the Theta...can we move on and hopefully hear from some folks who have experienced the darned thing? Preferably someone who doesn't own one, but in a reasonably good set-up. Owners are always thought to be biased, and for good reason.

For the record, I don't own a Compli Blu. We have an Elite BDP-09FD in our reference system. Norm
post #244 of 388
I finally have a Compli Blu here now. It is surprisingly good IMO...subjectively of course. I should also have a NuForce Oppo here soon for comparison/reference since my current reference player is modded enough that it bears no sonic signature that anyone can relate to. BTW, the toroidal transformer does in fact say 80VA right in it, and it doesn't run notably hotter than any other player.
post #245 of 388
I would not necessarily write-off owners' responses entirely. Some of us are actually objective and buy things for the right reasons, and have done A/B comparisons to judge which is better, PRE-purchase. I understand the fanboy syndrome, but it does not always apply.

I'm interested to hear the results of the Compli-Blu vs NuForce comparision. IMHO, the bottom line is, Oppo has still provided a world-class solution for a bargain price. That others are using it as the backbone for their models (some nothing relatively more than a rebadge or re-packaging) is quite a compliment.
post #246 of 388
Agreed - And I don't write off comments from folks that have heard things for themselves. But I do get frustrated by people making strong conclusions based upon some marketing guy's release of specs.

BTW - I read somewhere they ceased production of the Oppos because the drives (maybe by Sony) aren't being made anymore. Surprising. Who knows what true anymore though.
post #247 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

Agreed - And I don't write off comments from folks that have heard things for themselves. But I do get frustrated by people making strong conclusions based upon some marketing guy's release of specs.

Some folks like The Bland go out of their way to buy SSPs without specs!
post #248 of 388
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Some folks like The Bland go out of their way to buy SSPs without specs!

Yes but he did read it somewhere on the net and did spend the night at a Holiday Inn.

What I like about Jeff is he has no problem getting all hot and bothered over a new box and is willing to burn money and be the first. Or is it be the first and the box be D@@med? Either way he sure goes through the gear.
post #249 of 388
Holiday Inn...that's where the mistake is.

For future reference, stay at Holiday Inn Express.

Anyway, we digress, and even though I've commented, I probably shouldn't because this all came from left field, is off topic, and is uncalled for in this thread. Let's not throw people under the bus anymore and we'll all be happier.

I should have a NuForce player here tomorrow to begin comparison against something similar. My reference player has been "massaged" inside so it bears no resemblance to anything folks would be familiar with regarding the sound quality. I will say it was a $6K unit when new. I will also say I am impressed with the Theta so far. Especially for the price, and I'm not talking 3K since we know no one here would pay that anyway.
post #250 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post
Especially for the price, and I'm not talking 3K since we know no one here would pay that anyway.
I'm a little suprised these things haven't started popping up on Audiogon now that Oppo announced the model 93. Perhaps not many compliblu's sold in the first place, or the vast majority of buyers have better things to do than obsess over this stuff.

Very interested to hear your comments comparing the Theta with NuForce. Do you plan to compare SACD?
post #251 of 388
I'll definitely be listening to SACD. I am one of the few with a decent sized collection. I am also one of the few that notice a difference, at least with some discs, certainly not all. That's a whole different argument though. DVD-A as well. I'd like to get another opinion by having someone come over too. I could always be bias subconsciously or not. At least if someone else concurs, it'll be more objective.

I am really impressed with the picture. My current BRP is the Marantz 8002.

Regarding the BDP-93. Apparently it's different in that it has Blu-ray 3D, Streaming, Dual HDMI, and eSATA. I went ahead with the Theta unit because I value 2-ch first and was sick and tired of the BR load times of my current BR player. So I went from two players (one for BR and one for audio) to hopefully just one for all.

I don't see myself going to 3D anytime soon. I'm not thrilled with the idea of wearing glasses while watching a movie even though it looks cool, and I don't see myself sinking a ton of coin into upgrading a projector since I am very happy with the one I have now that is only a year old. I could stream easily enough, but I still like getting the physical CD and going through the case and booklet, so streaming isn't a big deal to me, nor is the eSATA.

So the bottom line is - I am not sure what I am giving up by getting the Theta now. Maybe in a year or two I'll revisit, but by then I will have had a year or two of enjoyment from what I have now...afterall...I don't NEED any of this, it's all for kicks and giggles - my personal enjoyment and relaxation - nothing more.

I understand the reason for Oppo doing the 93 and running out of inventory of 83s is the lack of supply lasers from Sony, or the drive, or something like that. Seems like they had no choice but to make a change.

Let's face...anything you buy today will end up being obsoleted in technology eventually.
post #252 of 388
A lot quicker than eventually.
post #253 of 388
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

A lot quicker than eventually.

I've been told that I've been obsolete for years. My parts though all work, though many of them "putter" along!
post #254 of 388
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

I've been told that I've been obsolete for years. My parts though all work, though many of them "putter" along!

Let's hope you do not have a need for factory service.
post #255 of 388
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

I've been told that I've been obsolete for years. My parts though all work, though many of them "putter" along!

So I guess it goes without saying - your out of warranty...
post #256 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

So I guess it goes without saying - your out of warranty...

Thats a nice way of puttin' it!
post #257 of 388
I had a major factory service about 15 months ago. Without it I would have been fried and buried by now. Fortunately, the techs knew what they were doing and while the service cost almost as much as a good HT at dealer accommodation costs, it was worth every penny and I had a service contract that paid all but a tiny fraction of it.

Now Dave. Tell me exactly what is wrong with lying back and letting a women do the work. Not only will the results be enjoyable but you will pretty much be able to watch the whole show while she is doing the work..

Some of you guys are just clueless. You mitch about the wrong things.
post #258 of 388
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I had a major factory service about 15 months ago. Without it I would have been fried and buried by now. Fortunately, the techs knew what they were doing and while the service cost almost as much as a good HT at dealer accommodation costs, it was worth every penny and I had a service contract that paid all but a tiny fraction of it.

Yea, that U.S Govt retiree healthplan is the best that you don't have to spend money to buy. Congrats. And we are glad to have you still here!!
Will see you in a month when you siesta to Az for your daughter's ASU graduation!!@@@
post #259 of 388
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Now Dave. Tell me exactly what is wrong with lying back and letting a women do the work. Not only will the results be enjoyable but you will pretty much be able to watch the whole show while she is doing the work.

Now that's largely dependent on inventory and useful service life too...isn't it?




Hmm...good thing my wife doesn't know my username...
post #260 of 388
He Steve. I still am paying for my retiree health plan and now that medicare Part A has kicked in I had to add medicare Part B to it for about $220 a month more.
post #261 of 388
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

He Steve. I still am paying for my retiree health plan and now that medicare Part A has kicked in I had to add medicare Part B to it for about $220 a month more.

I heard you get a free Oppo 83 player with Part B.
post #262 of 388
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

He Steve. I still am paying for my retiree health plan and now that medicare Part A has kicked in I had to add medicare Part B to it for about $220 a month more.

Peanuts!!!@@@
post #263 of 388
Chocolate.
post #264 of 388
Can someone explaine it me that, why would I spend the money on the compli
blu instead to buy a cheaper oppo its much cheaper. Consider my orginal compli is garbage now which Theta won't even service it if anything happen to it I've check their website and look up the manuel, after the first few page it turn in to the oppo manuel
post #265 of 388
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Originally Posted by Hifibot View Post

Can someone explaine it me that, why would I spend the money on the compli
blu instead to buy a cheaper oppo its much cheaper. Consider my orginal compli is garbage now which Theta won't even service it if anything happen to it I've check their website and look up the manuel, after the first few page it turn in to the oppo manuel

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Originally Posted by Hifibot View Post

Can someone explaine it me that, why would I spend the money on the compli
blu instead to buy a cheaper oppo its much cheaper. Consider my orginal compli is garbage now which Theta won't even service it if anything happen to it I've check their website and look up the manuel, after the first few page it turn in to the oppo manuel

Read my review of the Compli Blu and comparison with the Oppo 83SE that I posted earlier in this thread. You find it here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post18331038

I added an update later:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post19006470

This will explain to you why some of us have chosen the Compli Blu over the Oppo. But if it is wise to get the Compli Blu now regarding Theta´s service and how well they are doing - or not - at the moment I don´t know. Some say Theta is financially stronger than ever and that sales is going well, some believe they are soon bankrupt... Time will tell, but that´s another topic. Technically the Compli Blu is a very good player.

Note that the Compli Blu soon will be replaced by a Mk.II version, based on the new Oppo BDP-93 which has HDMI 1.4 and 3D. Personally I couldn´t care less...
post #266 of 388
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Originally Posted by Armand07 View Post

Note that the Compli Blu soon will be replaced by a Mk.II version, based on the new Oppo BDP-93 which has HDMI 1.4 and 3D. Personally I couldn´t care less...

Any ideas on when this will happen?

To the question - I have a Nuforce 83SE here as well as the Theta. I'll be able to get you an idea soon, I just don't have time to answer right now.
post #267 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

Any ideas on when this will happen?

No.
post #268 of 388
FYI - Here's a shot of the Compli Blu next to the Nuforce Oppo BDP-83SE - As you see, complete different case, but it's tough to see in this photo the heights and the quality:
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post #269 of 388
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

FYI - Here's a shot of the Compli Blu next to the Nuforce Oppo BDP-83SE - As you see, complete different case, but it's tough to see in this photo the heights and the quality:

Do you have a (stock) bdp-83 shot for a reference?
post #270 of 388
Try looking at this article:

http://www.laaudiofile.com/oppo_bdp83se.html

The Oppo images are copied from this article. The Theta Images I took.

Gotta to go get some work done now...
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