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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

If there was no profanity filter, I would tell you all what I really think of Hollywood's obsession with raping my youth.

Remake poorly executed films that had the potential to be great, but were crippled by bad direction, bad acting, and bad writing.

Stop remaking/reimagining acclaimed and celebrated films of the past in the name of guaranteed box office based on past successes.

I was able to appreciate the films that were made 40 and 50 years before I was born (1962), and I didn't need to have them remade in order to appreciate them. What is wrong with the youth of today if they cannot relate to films that were made not even 30 years before they were born?

The problem is not that the films are dated. The problem is that the youth of the day are so self-absorbed that they can't appreciate anything that that didn't happen in the last week. What will these very same people say in 40 years when their grandchildren tell them what a fakey piece of crap the Lord of the Rings Trilogy was, and how boring it was?

I'm not some old fuddy duddy who needs to get with the times. The youth of today have to get with the history of cinema. That's what I did when I was their age. And Hollywood needs to stop catering to these misguided people by stopping this obsession with remakes and starting to let the young people of today make original films that speak to THEM.

There are many great contemporary films I can think of that are great IMO. Moon. Scott Pilgrim vs the World. The Social Network. Inception. and many, many more. We need more of these.

It's amazing how ignorant the youth is. You know that many youngins haven't even seen "Alien" or "Aliens"? Retarded as hell.

I need to watch Scott Pilgrim, being that I'm a huge musical lover. Didn't care for Social Network one bit. Didn't care for Inception at all either, but I appreciate it. I agree to your point, that they are better than most crap rolling out of Hollywood's cheap fat ass these days.

I think movies for the most part are commodity items now. Just how guitars, cars, and other work of arts have became. Cheap, easy, commodity technology such as CGI is now the primary driving force behind a movie, and not so much the atmosphere, characters, creativity, or emotion. This continually helps to destroy what a "film" should be about. Nowadays, we are watching video games more-so than movies.

I'll continue to rewatch movies of the 60s-90s and hail them to the highest regard, spank you very much. If something new comes about that looks interesting, I'll check it. 2010 was a superb year for the cinema. 2011 is a stinker of massive proportions so far.

Back to the topic, very few remakes have ever surpassed the originals. The percentage is like, 2%. The Thing, True Grit (I'm only guessing from what I've heard on this one), and um, probably a few handful others (Tron: Legacy being somewhat debatable). It's so much easier to list out the remakes that suck ass than it is to list the ones that are better. I can drum up a list of 20-30 easily without the use of Google.
post #182 of 253
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

It's amazing how ignorant the youth is.

I went to a movie last week. Asked the young kid taking my $$$ if the film being shown was 35mm. He had NO CLUE what I was talking about. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Luckily (for him) the young girl also taking $$$ knew and said "no sorry, we're showing a blu-ray tonight but I can run in and scratch it up for you!"

When the Gen X'ers die off, real movies will be dead too. If we even last that long!
post #183 of 253
Interesting. Was this a classic or older movie being shown? Must be...

Interesting how they use Blu-ray. Shows that it's really a powerful format.

Very sad that they wouldn't know what "35mm" means. That's like, horrible.
post #184 of 253
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Interesting. Was this a classic or older movie being shown? Must be...

Interesting how they use Blu-ray. Shows that it's really a powerful format.

Very sad that they wouldn't know what "35mm" means. That's like, horrible.

It was Carpenter's Halloween! I had doubts so I tried calling the theater for an hour continuously an hour before with no answer. Decided to go anyway and deal with the cards we were dealt aka pauses in the movie, rewinds, all kinds of f*ck ups on their million dollar digital system (which digital movies look great on btw).

UUGGGGHHHHH
post #185 of 253


You are getting me pumped for watching Halloween this year. I sadly, did not watch it last year during my "Horror-athon." I did manage to watch 30 other movies though.

Honestly though, I'm glad I left it out last year. Because this year will be the closest to the theatrical experience of Halloween! Can't October come any faster?!

Seeing the 35mm of Halloween would have been fantastic. Wondering about the blue tint...or if it's existent? I enjoy the movie without it. Remember that this year, we'll be able to watch Halloween and Halloween II back-to-back on Blu-ray.
post #186 of 253
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Back to the topic, very few remakes have ever surpassed the originals. The percentage is like, 2%. The Thing, True Grit (I'm only guessing from what I've heard on this one), and um, probably a few handful others (Tron: Legacy being somewhat debatable). It's so much easier to list out the remakes that suck ass than it is to list the ones that are better. I can drum up a list of 20-30 easily without the use of Google.

As much as I enjoyed the Coen's True Grit, other than a couple specific scene's, I found very little to distinguish it from the original. The shootings were more graphic, and Glen Campbell didn't have is tongue cut off. Other than that, there really was no need to remake the thing. I'm probably one of the few people around who still prefers the original Wayne classic to this remake. They really aren't all that different. The acting is more "modern", but the scenes and dialog are pretty much the same.
post #187 of 253
My dad watched them both back to back. Many times, I never really agree with his opinion on things. Mainly because he falls asleep most of the time when he watches movies or has the tendency to fast forward, which I find absolutely detrimental and annoying to no end.

But his take, was that the original "True Grit" was just campy and cheesy. He said that Glen Campbell couldn't act worth anything. According to him, the new True Grit blows the old one out of the water for every aspect involved. I'll have to see.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Westerns. I love me some Quick and the Dead. I also love me some Magnificent Seven. Unforgiven is fantastic as well. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

What you'll be happy about though, is that I'm watching the new True Grit tonight here shortly. In a couple more days, I will be watching the old True Grit. Giving them both a blind watch in my HT.
post #188 of 253
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post



You are getting me pumped for watching Halloween this year. I sadly, did not watch it last year during my "Horror-athon." I did manage to watch 30 other movies though.

Honestly though, I'm glad I left it out last year. Because this year will be the closest to the theatrical experience of Halloween! Can't October come any faster?!

Seeing the 35mm of Halloween would have been fantastic. Wondering about the blue tint...or if it's existent? I enjoy the movie without it. Remember that this year, we'll be able to watch Halloween and Halloween II back-to-back on Blu-ray.

YES! I'm right there with you Fenders! Halloween II is a nice treat to have this year. There's another movie group in Jersey here showing Halloween 35mm on October 30th ON MOTHER F*CKING FILM. And I can trust these guys will do it right so that will be a treat. I'll fire up the Halloween II BD on 10/31 for sure!
post #189 of 253
Yea. I remember the last movie I watched on October 31 was...

John Carpenter's The Thing! Still remember that day very clear.

I enjoyed Hawk's The Thing as well. Hawk's version was fantastic for its time. I appreciated it a lot.

But Carpenter's version is timeless.
post #190 of 253
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

My dad watched them both back to back. Many times, I never really agree with his opinion on things. Mainly because he falls asleep most of the time when he watches movies or has the tendency to fast forward, which I find absolutely detrimental and annoying to no end.

But his take, was that the original "True Grit" was just campy and cheesy. He said that Glen Campbell couldn't act worth anything. According to him, the new True Grit blows the old one out of the water for every aspect involved. I'll have to see.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Westerns. I love me some Quick and the Dead. I also love me some Magnificent Seven. Unforgiven is fantastic as well. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

What you'll be happy about though, is that I'm watching the new True Grit tonight here shortly. In a couple more days, I will be watching the old True Grit. Giving them both a blind watch in my HT.

You may very well come away with the same opinion as your dad. All I'm saying is scene for scene, it's pretty much the same movie with better actors. John Wayne's Cogburn is pretty damn iconic though. (EDIT: in all fairness though, Glen Campbell wasn't "awful", but he was the weak link, acting-wise. Kim Darby, Strother Martin, Robert Duvall, and Jeff Corey were all excellent)

EDIT:...AND the cinematography is fantastic)

As for other good old school westerns, check out High Noon, The Searchers, My Darling Clementine, and Shane for a start. they are all excellent films, well worth seeing.

BTW, my all-time favorite western is Leone's Once Upon a Time in the West. Very slow paced, but gorgeous and operatic filmmaking.
post #191 of 253
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

My dad watched them both back to back. Many times, I never really agree with his opinion on things. Mainly because he falls asleep most of the time when he watches movies or has the tendency to fast forward, which I find absolutely detrimental and annoying to no end.

But his take, was that the original "True Grit" was just campy and cheesy. He said that Glen Campbell couldn't act worth anything. According to him, the new True Grit blows the old one out of the water for every aspect involved. I'll have to see.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Westerns. I love me some Quick and the Dead. I also love me some Magnificent Seven. Unforgiven is fantastic as well. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

What you'll be happy about though, is that I'm watching the new True Grit tonight here shortly. In a couple more days, I will be watching the old True Grit. Giving them both a blind watch in my HT.

Despite the questionable accuracy of any film criticism from anyone who usually sleeps through much of the film and fast forwards through other parts, I think your father's assessment is mostly on the mark with respect to the True Grit films.

First be warned that I am a huge fan of Charles Portis novel, True Grit. I believe it to be an American classic. Thus, the Coens had me at hello with their film because of its rigorous faithfulness to the Portis novel. I thought the Coens' True grit was in turn funny, exciting, moving, and thoughtful. There's really not much more a story can do.

I think the 1969 True Grit is fatally flawed, despite John Wayne's iconic performance as Rooster Cogburn and almost equally wonderful work by Robert Duvall, Dennis Hopper, and Strother Martin. True Grit (1969)'s big weakness is its softening of the story by failing to tell accurately and completely about Mattie's life after her adventures in Indian Territory. This completely changed the tone and tenor of the story, for the worse, it seems to me. Equally horrible, the filmmakers cast a 22 year old to portray a character who Portis had written as a 14 year old and a popular singer who couldn't act a lick to play the Texas Ranger, La Boeuf.

Despite my serious reservations about True Grit (1969) I still watch it from time to time because it is exciting, funny, and, with the notable exceptions mentioned above, has a great cast.
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post #193 of 253
True Grit (2010) was absolutely mind-blowing.

I started it last night (which was a work-night) at 11:30PM. I didn't want to delay it any longer, even if it causes me to get 5 hours of sleep for the next work day. I'm currently paying for this decision right now.

Even though I was fairly intoxicated from getting back from a meeting that was stationed at a bar, here were my reactions:

I was simply mind blown.

The soundtrack was absolutely phenomenal. Simple, but yet eloquent and fitting.

The cinematography was phenomenal. This really helps drive the notion that 2.35:1 is the way to go for epic movies such as these. Especially with anamorphic lenses.

The message is universal. This isn't strickly a "western" movie. This movie can apply to any viewer, and any age.

The acting was phenomenal. Every character was believable and offered something to the table.

The characters are complex and engaging. Bridges' character, which is somewhat of an anti-hero, can be talked about in a long discussion because he was written extremely well.

I almost cried at the end.

Several scenes were funny (spanking, "abides", drunken food shooting, etc). Yet several other scenes were breathtaking (snake bite) and exciting (Bridges kicking tons of ass with his rifle). I loved the accents. The dialogue at times were a little hard to understand, but it didn't effect any of the messages that were said.

This movie deserves no less than a 9/10. This made it into my few top western favorites.
post #194 of 253
Thread Starter 
Amy Adams in talks for the lead role in the remake of The Orphanage:
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/26100

Johnny Depp's remake of The Thin Man gets a writer:
http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/new...pp-writing.php
post #195 of 253
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Despite my serious reservations about True Grit (1969) I still watch it from time to time because it is exciting, funny, and, with the notable exceptions mentioned above, has a great cast.
And great entertainment !


Art
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Watch this!

http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/

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20 films you probably didn't know were getting remade (over half were a shock to me!)

http://www.shortlist.com/entertainme...getting-remade

Re-emphasizing.
post #198 of 253
'Point Break' to Be Remade by Alcon and Warner Bros.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...surfing-234185
post #199 of 253
Spanish director Juan Carlos Fresnadillo (28 Weeks Later, upcoming Intruders and The Crow) is in discussions to direct the Highlander reboot at Summit Entertainment and RCR Media Group, reports Deadline.
post #200 of 253
I should just lock this thread, it's way too depressing... (see post #155)

larry
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I should just lock this thread, it's way too depressing... (see post #155)

larry

Go ahead, we can always remake this thread.
post #202 of 253
Good one!

larry
post #203 of 253
After the thread about your first R rated film I posted that mine was Candy which had several Steppenwolf songs in it, I noticed the same complaints are out there regarding the music industry profits and lack of originality and creativity.

Art
post #204 of 253
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Go ahead, we can always remake this thread.

LOL!
You, sir, are quite the quipster.
post #205 of 253
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

'Point Break' to Be Remade by Alcon and Warner Bros.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...surfing-234185

The Fast and the Furious wasn't close enough?
post #206 of 253
'Straw Dogs,' 'Scarface,' 'Swept Away': 10 Good, Bad and Unnecessary Movie Remakes

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ris...pt-away-236751
post #207 of 253
Thread Starter 
The director of Elite Squad will be remaking Robocop with Darren Aronofsky producing: http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/new...cop-remake.php
post #208 of 253
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

'Straw Dogs,' 'Scarface,' 'Swept Away': 10 Good, Bad and Unnecessary Movie Remakes

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ris...pt-away-236751

Funny you should mention Scarface....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...78L0IN20110922
post #209 of 253
It's not better, but New Jack City is an excellent remake of the Pacino classic..
post #210 of 253
RED DAWN Remake Finally Finds a Home; FilmDistrict to Distribute

http://collider.com/red-dawn-remake-...strict/116996/
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