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Pioneer HLD-X0 and HLD-X9 Screenshot WAR!!!!

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Who wants to start?
I think this will be interesting, specially on CRT's Projectors and Pioneer Plasmas 9G...
post #2 of 23
Ok, i start...
I found this HLD X0 picture, and to be honest this player still delivers is a great picture...
But let's not forget the X9... And both of these babies with a good scaler in a goo CRT Projector, i would LOVE to see...
LL
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post #4 of 23
They do better compares when using A/B for at least a few seconds. IMO, it's much harder to tell the difference bt players with just stills. They all look like crap compared to digital DVD/HD stills.
post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 
Hi
I understand tkmedia, but in the thread provided by Hunter they make actually comparisons in composite and s-video.
The pictures look pretty good, however i think today's days that's even more possible to do when using god scalers and a good projector.
When i have time i will do that my self.

By the way you have lots of experience in the Laserdisc field, tell me something. What do you think about the Theta Voyager?

I have a good friend of mine that bought one recently and he told me it's better than the X9? Do you also think so?
Because i never tried such machine, my Laser Gear it's only Pioneer.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by tkmedia2 View Post

They do better compares when using A/B for at least a few seconds. IMO, it's much harder to tell the difference bt players with just stills. They all look like crap compared to digital DVD/HD stills.

Part of the problem is that laserdisc players pause on a half-resolution still field with CLV discs, not a full-resolution frame.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
You are right Joshua.
Well, i tough this was going to be an interesting post... guess not.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Part of the problem is that laserdisc players pause on a half-resolution still field with CLV discs, not a full-resolution frame.


If we are talking about my picture they are not taken from paused players. I recorded the signal to the PC and then take the screenshot from the recorded file.
post #9 of 23
here's an very old one 9 years ago bt the S9 and X9 and the smearing issue.

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/s...threadid=16801
post #10 of 23
Hi all. Ran across this thread and thought I'd chime in. About a year and a half ago I did some LD to DVD conversion experiments using the Pioneer HLD-X9. I bought the X9 to capture high quality LD video and LPCM and/or AC-3 digital audio to a PC. Here are some screenshots of raw, unprocessed captures.

Four screenshots are presented below. The first shot is a PNG image taken from a capture of the SMPTE Color bar pattern found at the end of a Criterion CLV NTSC laserdisc. The next 3 shots are JPG images (sorry) taken from a capture of live action content ("Jurassic Park" CLV NTSC).











post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by tkmedia2 View Post

They do better compares when using A/B for at least a few seconds. IMO, it's much harder to tell the difference bt players with just stills. They all look like crap compared to digital DVD/HD stills.

E U R E K A
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
Hey those look amazing...
Tanks for sharing with us
Those are some shoots... I personally would like to see an X0 since it was the chosen player to transfer the Definitive Edition of Star Wars to DVD by the X0 Project guys.
Let's be realistic...the X9 and the X0 still are present and well alive in the most dedicated Home Theaters Worldwide.
post #13 of 23
So that's from an uncompressed raw video capture?
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by tkmedia2 View Post

So that's from an uncompressed raw video capture?

The pics were taken from the raw capture AVI, with no post-processing done whatsoever. The capture process was basically as follows:

* The HLD-X9 was adjusted so that all DNR and Y/C modes were disabled, or adjusted to minimum.

* The composite output from the X9 was passed into a Toshiba RD-XS35 DVD recorder. This unit features a well-designed Y/C separation circuit, and can deliver Y/C separated video to YPbPr component outputs. The RD-XS35 was adjusted so that all DNR modes were disabled.

* The YPbPr component outputs from the RD-XS35 were sent to a computer video capture card, the PDI Deluxe from Pixel Magic systems. This card features component input jacks.

* The PC program VirtualVCR was used to control the video capture process on the computer used to convert LD analog video to digital video data. This program has a capture preview window, along with preprocessing controls (brightness, contrast, saturation, hue, sharpness)... and a luma histogram which allows the proper setting of black and white levels for a particular source input.

* Real-time playback of the laserdisc was captured by the computer, and written to an AVI file. The video A/D conversion was rendered using Huffyuv, a lossless-compression digital codec, and saved in YUY2 colorspace format. The audio was captured bit-accurate from the LPCM or AC-3 digital audio tracks from the laserdisc source.

* The screengrabs were taken directly from the capture AVI, and saved to JPEG format (except for the first colorbar picture). For some reason, PNGs from the AVI would not load to the image hosting site I use.

The results from these tests were better than I expected from an analog video source. Good color separation, fairly low noise, and decent shadow detail are in evidence for that particular source (Jurassic Park CLV, THX-certified LD). Suffice it to say, I'm impressed with the Pioneer HLD-X9. I hope that other X9 (or X0) users will post pictures from their conversions.
post #15 of 23
Thanks for the video chain info. I did some jpg captures of Stargate Squeeze 10+years ago, that I cannot seem to find. I used one of those Matrox DigiSuite?? setups, that captured raw video to the capture card to the drives connected to the card since pci bus was too slow to write the files att. I remembering having to do 15? seconds at a time for RT. It was mostly used to do tv work, did a tons of localized car ads. example adding the locations to the trailer of the video. "Visit your local x Dealer" x=city/county/dealer name.
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
Hi,
That's interesting... Actually i consider the Stargate Muse Hi-Vision one of the best "Muse" transfers.
As for the "Squeeze i never tried it, but i believe it's similar.
In fact some "squeeze" transfers we're better than the Hi-Vision transfers (Example: Terminator 2).
post #17 of 23
More PNG rawcaps from the X9. Original source material was not great, but these shots are provided only for sheer LD nostalgia























LDs had the best opening logos, IMHO.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post


This is a great example of something that, if played off DVD, would be a mess of little macroblocks.

I think X0 and X9 owners may be some of the few who actually remember that DVD was originally targeted to replace VHS, and LD was supposed to remain the format of choice for movie lovers and special editions.
post #19 of 23
In the mid 1990's I was glad that the war between Toshiba's SD and Sony's MMCD was over. I was excited for DVD, but not as a video format. I've seen demos of the video capabilities of the prototypes and was disappointed. Heck I still own a demo Toshiba SD player. I was more excited over the storage capacity, because from the early to mid-ish 1990's Multimedia CD-ROM publishing was supposed to be the thing. I pretty much maxed out using 540/650mb cd-r's making interactive disc with MacoMind VideoWorks (Macromedia Director) as well as Authorware.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post

Hi all. Ran across this thread and thought I'd chime in. About a year and a half ago I did some LD to DVD conversion experiments using the Pioneer HLD-X9. I bought the X9 to capture high quality LD video and LPCM and/or AC-3 digital audio to a PC. Here are some screenshots of raw, unprocessed captures.

Four screenshots are presented below. The first shot is a PNG image taken from a capture of the SMPTE Color bar pattern found at the end of a Criterion CLV NTSC laserdisc. The next 3 shots are JPG images (sorry) taken from a capture of live action content ("Jurassic Park" CLV NTSC).












Wow , great looking LD.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

Wow , great looking LD.

And you resurrected a two-year-old thread for just that comment?

TLK
post #22 of 23
Will soon post some shoots with an X0...

THat picture is actually amazing, and it demonstrates the Laserdisc potential.
post #23 of 23
Yes more X0 pics please
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