Onkyo TX-NR807 Official Thread - Page 66

Well, I love mine.

If you read those reviews, many of the negative comments concern the zone 2 & 3 capabilites, which I personally don't care about (I have a receiver in each of my listening areas) or due to Net issues. Now I haven't upgraded my firmware and I don't intend to because everything works. (I've developed software for about 30 years now and a rule of thumb is not to upgrade drivers/firmware unless there is a reason to).

My Onkyo 787 was rock solid and so is the 807.

I have two Outlaw 2200 monoblocks coming tomorrow to power some 4 Ohm mains I hope to be getting. I'll report back after that setup is complete.

BTW - the reason I purchase the 807 over the 3007 is because the 807 + two monoblocks is less than a 3007 and should provide more power and better sound configure that way. I'll let the 807 power the rest of the system.

I can also be added to the "satisfied" list. At this point, the issues I saw were really minor (I have a HT-RC180):

1. Having to power cycle after just checking for a firmware update. This is a stupid thing to make a user do, but how often does one do this?

2. Some of my MP3's in my well-organized MP3 library spanning back more than 12 years do not work with this unit. Since Windows 7 is also a new factor in this mess, I don't know who to blame yet - but iTunes on the Mac has no issues whatsoever.

3. (This is a real stretch) lack of Unicode/UTF-8 support with the NET functions. This is bothersome, but nothing I can fault Onkyo for. Still, it would be really nice and I did see Chinese language menu options.

None of these functions are anywhere near serious flaws and none detract from enjoyment of the unit. Over all I'm happy with it.

I will add my .02 as I'm very happy with my 807. After 4 months she has performed better than expected given a new model line. Yes there have been a few glitches (ie: no-sound and soundfield relays) but nothing of real consequence. Actually I continue to be impressed as I continue to fine tune. The no-sound issue has a work around till it's resolved by Onkyo. The soundfield relays also have a solution by preselecting for a given input. I've heard much worse in generator set and solid state 400HZ convertors.

And I find HT-Mag's findings to be either off the mark or typo'd as well. I've done a somewhat non-scientific test of the 807's output power using a Realistic AMP-200. What I came up with is 85-95w RMS in surround mode (THX Neo6 music using Pandora). This is with peaks over 100w. My Kenwood KR-V8050 is what the 807 replaced and it's ratings are split 125w per channel 2 channel stereo (FTC ratings) and a separate rating of 75w per channel in surround modes. This is how we should see the ratings but advertising gets in the way (but this is just my opinion).

Does anyone have the UP-A1 Dock working with a Logitech remote?

I am able to use my Onkyo receiver remote to control my Ipod when connected to the dock, but I am unable to control it with a Logitech remote.

Just wondering about the Crossover Hz setting to put for the Fronts Center and Surrounds??? Do you just set them for their high frequency setting ( ie. Monitor 11 is 48hz to 20khz so set it to 40 or 50 hz...ADP-390's set to 100 hz??)

Any help is appreciated sine I am not sure what to set the crossovers for the fronts and rears...i know the sub is 80hz usually....and yes I ran Audyssey but its not what I like so I am tweaking everything thanks guys. Or do you just set all the speakers to 80hz??

In the speaker setup prior to running Audyssey I set all the crossovers to 80HZ (THX recommended). I may change this later to see if it makes a noticeable difference. But I feel it maybe to nill effect. Also I have the sub's (Klipsch KSW-12) crossover set to 120HZ to not interfere with Audyssey's and the Phase to -0-. After running Audyssey I did turn up each input's level as they were to low for my taste. One interesting note is the PS3's output seems to be naturarlly/inherently higher than the others. Has anyone else noticed this? The distances set were spot on. I may play with this more to find optimum placement of the surround/surround backs. Or I may just abandon backs or sides for the front wides. Hope this is of help as speakers used,room shape and even wire gauge affect outcome.

What does setting your speakers to Full Band mean?? Is that good to set it to that or set everything to 80hz(THX)??

Someone please help....i need an answer quick and I am still trying to look this up! In the speaker setup on this Onkyo 807 what do you set the Fronts,Center and Surrounds Crossover to???? 80hz(THX) for all???? or Full Band for all??? help......

Full band means the entire frequency range i.e. 20hz-20khz or whatever the receiver is able to produce. If you have speakers able to go really low don't have a sub then you would want to set it to full band.

If you run the Audyssey set-up it will set up your x-overs for you based on the measurements it sees.

Just purchased the 807 and have 4 inputs connecting via HMDI and pass thru onto my Kuro tv. I am not sure what the technical terms for this is, but i have a problem with my video every 20 mins or so. The video seems to delay for an instant and then catch up to where it should be. This was not a problem before i installed the Reciever.

I cannot run seperate cables from all of my devices to the tv for video. Can anything be done to truley disable pass thru or should I just return for another reciever???

I'm not having any issues like that with mine. Do you have the Onk set to HDMI passthrough? Does it happen with every source?

Well I know why I didn't get a reply back from the online editor of Home Theater Magazine. The email address had an extra ".com" at the end so it bounced. I corrected the email address and resent my question about the power tests for the 807.

Will let you know if I hear anything back. Anyone else who sent an email may want to check to make sure the address was correct.

Take care,
Brian

Great catch BNut! my e-mail was also sent to an address with an extra .com at the end. I will resend as well and tell the editor that his website link is incorrect. Hopefully, we can finally get some answers. Thanks

I have it set to HDMI passthrough. I haven't tested all of my sources but notice it predominately with my HD PVR Cable Box. I have tried different cables and this hasn't solved the problem.

Missing something I guess. Still having the issue. If I switch from a HD station using a 5.1 channel Dolby Digital signal to a 2.1 channel the receiver clicks. I also disabled any digital inputs for TV (someone else recommended that). So just HDMI.

Maybe I am not picking the right other source.

I'm in the market choosing AVR for my HTPC setup and have few important questions:

1) Is NR807 capable to switch HDMI signal completely untouched with full support to 1080p with 24/50/60Hz (basically whatever signal I push on input port I receive completely the same one on the output)

2) When device is in standby mode is it possible to pass through signal from certain hdmi port without any changes to signal itself?

3) How the Faroudja Cinema works in real life? I'm looking for a decent scaler and heard that Anchor Bay ABT2010 chips are way better, is this really so bad?

4) Taking overal features but paying special attention to video section would you choose 807 or denon 2310?

I'd like to be satisfied Onkyo owner very soon so really counting on your help,

Thanks in advance for your answers,
Wojtek

Count me as one of the satisfied owners of the 807. No problems here. Been in daily use now for 5 months. I am not using zones 2 or 3. Have a 5.1 setup with no lack of power.

Yes when the audio inputs change you can hear the relays click, but this is no big deal. The receiver is doing its job. The relay clicks are within the receiver and are not passed to the speakers.

Bad news. Even without the extra .com my second email still bounced back. :-(

Let me know if you had better luck than I did.

Did the update process in any step display "VSP Setting..." for any length of time in the display? I have great problems with my 3 days old 807, after firmware updating it. HDMI in/out is gone, and retrying the update is futile, as it just hangs on "VSP Setting..." forever...

Makes me wonder why you can't buy the 807 at Onecall anymore. I bought mine there on Nov 4th....thought about sending it back. It sat on my dining room table for a week, decided to make it a pre/pro. I have had no tech issues just didn't like that lack of dynamic punch and overall thin sound.

Sony RM-AX4000 Remote Commander
Panasonic TC-P50G10
Samsung BD-P3600
Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 speaker system
Directv HD-DVR HR2-1100
Onkyo DV-SP500 (used as single CD player)
Onkyo TX-NR807 ( used as pre-amp)
Onkyo TX-SR800 ( used as power amp)

I think that we finally have an answer regarding the mystery of Home Theater Magaizine's Lab Test Results on the Onkyo 807. I had the same problem as BNut contacting the online editor, so I decided to e-mail the print editor instead. The print editor responded to my e-mail in less than three hours.

Apparently Home Theater Mag believes that some sort of protection circuit is limiting the power output with 7 channels driven. He states that despite this issue, Home Theater Mag did not believe that it precludes a "Top Pick" designation. I am just a newbie, so I don't really understand the implication of a protection circuit (if that is in fact what's causing the poor results). What do you guys think? Here is Home Theater Mag's full response:

"Our belief, which Onkyo won't clarify for us, is that there is a protection circuit of some kind kicking in with our 7 channels driven test.

The 5-channel result is excellent and while not as stringent as the 7-channel test, it's still a mother of a torture test. So, it's not like it's just a bunk power supply. We think that the continuous power into all channels is triggering something they put in to protect it.

Our audio technical editor was fine leaving it as a Top Pick based on the 5-channels test and our belief that the protection circuit is giving a bunk result.

Onkyo had a chance to address this in fact-check and in a follow-up email from us and didn't."

Hi guys, hope somebody here can help me. If this is not the proper section to post this I apologize. I have the 807, when I hook it up to my TV which is a Mitsubishi 55" with a hdmi to dvi cable I get a hum from my front mains. The 807 is hooked up to a Adcom GFA 555 II amp which powers the mains in my setup. I disconnect every thing but the reciever, the tv and the amp and I get the hum. If I disconnect the 807 from the tv the hum goes away. I would like to have my cable box, Blueray player and nitendo wii hooked to the 807 to enjoy DTS HD audio and Master audio from my blueray player. Could this be a grounding issue? Any ideas would be extremely appreciated. Thanks

I had a similar problem the first time I ran the update, but running it again worked. I did do a factory reset and power it off for awhile first, not sure if you've tried that...

Is your cable feed hooked up to your TV directly or is the cable box power even plugged in? Cable/sat boxes and feeds are notorious for ground hum problems but can be easily cured with one of these.

Maybe they limited 7-channel output on 807 to push higher end models.

Well I was planning on buying the 807 as the infrastructure for the theater area in my new home. The trouble is that the house is acoustically too live. It is a home built from the 30's with 10ft ceilings and great wood floors. Everything about this house rocks except the acoustics are like your living in a box guitar. If you whistle you can hear it for two seconds after. That makes any sound system sound like a transistor radio.

To kill the reverberation I found a rug and cleaned it, I have a modern sectional sofa that absorbs most of the sound and I found some cheap drapes that look good, but the room still sounds like a echo box.

Has anyone had experience with using sound equipment of any sort in a house like this?

Thanks for following up on this.

It seems to me that HTM's lab testing report on the 807 should have had a note added to the results on the 7 channels driven portion of the testing reflecting their conclusion that some form of a protection circuit was likely being activated and that they had made an attempt to contact Onkyo for factory input. At the very least, they could have simply indicated that the 7 channels driven results were either questionable or anomalous.

Beyond that, I find it disappointing that Onkyo apparently chose not to respond to HTM, as I would think it would be in their vested interest to clarify the situation so as not to have existing customers or potential purchasers of the 807 be overly concerned about the situation or otherwise shy away from buying one. I imagine (or should I say hope), that an 807 in operation as part of a "normal" 7.1 or 7.2 home theater system, would not trigger the protection circuit (if that is indeed the true cause of the highly reduced power per channel results during the HTM testing), since I doubt that would be as rigorous or intensive as the HTM testing regimen.

I can't answer all your questions but:

1) Yes, just set the AVR to pass the HDMI untouched in the AVR setup program.

2) No, I think it is all or none, i.e., you get the same treatment for every source.

3) I doubt that you will see any difference in real life situations between the Cinema and ABT chips.

4) I think the Denon has more finely granulated options on the video side of the equation, but on the audio side the Onkyo drubs EVERY Denon from the 3310 (990) down to the 590 mercilessly. NONE of those Denons can drive a 4 ohm speaker, period. The Onkyo 807/RC180 have not the slightest problem doing so. If you have no 4 ohm speakers then it is of no concern.

Thanks for this Sitting Bull, really helps alot. In that case 807 seems to perfect for me.
just do confirm, i've read somewhere that HDMI signal is altered even in this "untouched" mode. (e.g. stretched, change frame rate), have been testing this with all mentioned frame rates?

The process, which I can repeat 20 times, with no change is this:

I turn the power on, i.e. after cold boot, start the upgrade and after downloading the image it flickers "VSP Settings" then immediately fails with Error 4- 3. I can then press setup again, and it goes back to the menu. I can now choose to upgrade again, and it will hang on "VSP Settings...". I left it overnight on this, and nothing changed.
If I disconnect the power, or turn it off, then back on, I can repeat this sequence over and over, no change. And no HDMI in or out...yay...just gotta love it when a $1100 toy (in Norway) gets broken so quickly...